The Relegation Dogfight 24/25

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Red Said Djed

A. Trialist
cms186 said:
f*** that, i dont want those glasgow shits ruining the Premier League
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Do you think the best side in Scotland is likely to beat the 4th worst Premier League side, or the 3rd best Championship side?

If they do, then what does it say about the strength of the game in England currently?

I would rather Celtic, Rangers or Hibs over plenty of current Premier League sides, mainly because they have passion and because Sheena Easton is hot.
 
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Cloughie1975

Stuart Pearce
justnotjase said:
Few people on this thread jumping the gun a wee bit discussing if Leeds will go straight back down again next year. They haven't even secured promotion yet.
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True,Jase-but Leeds are one of only three teams battling for the 2 automatic spots and they have a fairly
kind run-in plus their two rivals (Burnley and Sheffield United) still have to play each other.
Even if they finish 3rd (unlikely in my view) they would be considered favourites in the play-offs.
I think Leeds will almost certainly be in the Premier League next season.
 
Templeton

Templeton

First Team Squad
Cloughie1975 said:
True,Jase-but Leeds are one of only three teams battling for the 2 automatic spots and they have a fairly
kind run-in plus their two rivals (Burnley and Sheffield United) still have to play each other.
Even if they finish 3rd (unlikely in my view) they would be considered favourites in the play-offs.
I think Leeds will almost certainly be in the Premier League next season.
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This is going to be one of those season where the anti-playoffs voices will be heard loudly, it looks like being around a 20-25 point gap, maybe even more, from 3rd to 6th so if whoever finishers 3rd fails to get promotion we won't be hearing the end of it for a while. Will be damn funny though!!
 
Trents

Trents

Stuart Pearce
Templeton said:
This is going to be one of those season where the anti-playoffs voices will be heard loudly, it looks like being around a 20-25 point gap, maybe even more, from 3rd to 6th so if whoever finishers 3rd fails to get promotion we won't be hearing the end of it for a while. Will be damn funny though!!
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Imagine if that team is Leeds while Derby go down and we make CL. My poor liver.
 
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Cloughie1975

Stuart Pearce
Templeton said:
This is going to be one of those season where the anti-playoffs voices will be heard loudly, it looks like being around a 20-25 point gap, maybe even more, from 3rd to 6th so if whoever finishers 3rd fails to get promotion we won't be hearing the end of it for a while. Will be damn funny though!!
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True-but I think the play-offs are a part of the football scene these days and I can’t see them being abolished.
 
Trents

Trents

Stuart Pearce
Has there ever been such a breakaway bottom 3 before?

Fester will be long gone by the time they visit us.
 
TrickyTree101

TrickyTree101

First Team Squad
Before today Leicester and Ipswich had none to slim chance, now Slim has left town it is none. I expect them to get low 20's, and slink back into Championship like the dogsh*t they are
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
The thing is which of the 17 teams are going to drop off next season?

It won’t be much different next season, promoted teams just aren’t gonna get 35-40 points with the current strength of the Prem.
 
Ashley

Ashley

Ian Bowyer
Rzar said:
The thing is which of the 17 teams are going to drop off next season?

It won’t be much different next season, promoted teams just aren’t gonna get 35-40 points with the current strength of the Prem.
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Sheffield United and Burnley won't be much better than last time. And Leeds with Farke in the Premier League is like a newly promoted League One team in the Championship with Paul Warne; you just know what's going to happen next.

All three promoted teams going down is going to become the norm IMO.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Ashley said:
Sheffield United and Burnley won't be much better than last time. And Leeds with Farke in the Premier League is like a newly promoted League One team in the Championship with Paul Warne; you just know what's going to happen next.

All three promoted teams going down is going to become the norm IMO.
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All 3 could be brilliant from their POV

I just don’t know how they can compete, 17th place team has 3 Brazil internationals! There are too many good teams in this league, the only chance a promoted team has got is to start really quickly & then hang on for dear life.

It’s at the point where the only way a team is staying up is if a current team collapses.
 
Ashley

Ashley

Ian Bowyer
Rzar said:
All 3 could be brilliant from their POV

I just don’t know how they can compete, 17th place team has 3 Brazil internationals! There are too many good teams in this league, the only chance a promoted team has got is to start really quickly & then hang on for dear life.
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There seems to be a huge gulf between them and the 17 established clubs in every way; the squads, the financial muscle, the managers (Wilder, Parker and Farke in the Premier League is only going to end one way).

Even this season, Wolves were miles adrift of safety at one point and are now comfortably staying up.

I think any club coming up needs an exceptional manager, a brilliant recruitment team and an owner with EM levels of wealth and ambition to even stand a chance.
 
TrentEndMisty

TrentEndMisty

Youth Team
Trents said:
Has there ever been such a breakaway bottom 3 before?

Fester will be long gone by the time they visit us.
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Looking at their forum, many of them actively want to lose every game so they are mathematically relegated before they visit us. They are an odd bunch at times.
 
DizzyBala

DizzyBala

Jack Burkitt
Most teams were concerned about the top six becoming a closed shop with PSR but I think the more worrying thing as a fan, is essentially that the top 17 teams are becoming a closed shop and creating a sort of English Superleague, with essentially three guest teams a season.

The only thing that springs to mind for me, is giving newly promoted teams some extra room to maneuver when it comes to PSR, so they can invest a little bit more in improving their squads. If we hadn't breached the rules and been able to weather the punishment, we'd be in the Championship.

I can't see the teams at the bottom being in favour of that though, because everyone is quite rightly going to be out for themselves and why would you potentially jeopardise your spot in the league, if you're comfy and making money hand over fist.

I'm curious why the Scottish League splits, mid-season. Would something like that work in the Prem?
 
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JonnoSnr

Viv Anderson
Ashley said:
There seems to be a huge gulf between them and the 17 established clubs in every way; the squads, the financial muscle, the managers (Wilder, Parker and Farke in the Premier League is only going to end one way).

Even this season, Wolves were miles adrift of safety at one point and are now comfortably staying up.

I think any club coming up needs an exceptional manager, a brilliant recruitment team and an owner with EM levels of wealth and ambition to even stand a chance.
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Definitely. And let's not underestimate just how important it is to be lucky too. In our second season we were fortunate to get points deducted in the exact season you'd want them deducted (until this season).

I always think we've had terrible timing in the past, being relegated just as the Premier League was taking off financially, finishing 3rd not long before that became a Champions League place etc. But in this case it would seem our timing was impeccable.

We've come up and stayed up just as the gap is widening to impossible levels.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Vorsprung durch Technik
LTLF Minion
JonnoSnr said:
We've come up and stayed up just as the gap is widening to impossible levels.
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...which is the absolute opposite of what happened in 92-93, when Forest went down just as the Premier League was established, and missed that particular boat in spectacular fashion.

But as they say, what goes around, comes around.
 
Jah

Jah

Jack Armstrong
If we were still in the champ now, trying to get to the promised land and still finishing mid table with the odd flirtation with the play offs, how would we feel about our chances? Maybe because we had been away so long and not experienced what its like and had a couple of good showings against prem sides in the cups we had visions of adapting and comfortably surviving. I had even put sneaky bets on Awoniyi and Johnson being top scorer.

It must be every teams ambition to reach the next level, otherwise why bother.

But yea, when it comes to trying to fix the cycle of the same 3 teams going up and down, pull the ladder up and pray we never fall through the trap door again.
 
Robertson

Robertson

Grenville Morris
Strummer said:
...which is the absolute opposite of what happened in 92-93, when Forest went down just as the Premier League was established, and missed that particular boat in spectacular fashion.

But as they say, what goes around, comes around.
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Yeah - though after that we did get promoted straight away, then finish third in the PL, and the QF of the UEFA. Then we f**ked everything up.
 
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bearwood red

First Team Squad
Forest stayed up in that first season because Mr Marinakis invested heavily in the squad* and backed the manager, Steve Cooper was tactically pragmatic and built a great team spirit (acknowledged by Nuno this week), and the crowd stayed behind the team all season.

That’s what it takes. I still think it’s possible, but too many teams can’t or won’t invest, and have managers who are not prepared to sacrifice their principles and adapt their approach.

* I still think this could have been done more strategically (Lingard, Bowler, Dennis, Hwang etc.) which would have kept us the right side of PSR.
 
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