The Mood

Glasner starting slow seems such an established pattern in his career that I'm not too worried.

Two games down the road to his system clicking, hopefully it's only two or three more rather than ten...
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers said:
I think we'll finish 7th in the league, make the FA Cup semi-finals and upwards, although we probably won't win the League Cup.
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We have made it hard for ourselves by getting knocked out in the 2nd round, but I am still hopeful of League Cup success, while keeping my pitchfork handy for when we lose the final in a penalty shootout.
 
DanR said:
We have made it hard for ourselves by getting knocked out in the 2nd round, but I am still hopeful of League Cup success, while keeping my pitchfork handy for when we lose the final in a penalty shootout.
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Whilst I was broadly supportive of Glasner’s arrival, there were various hypotheses I was carrying into this season and hoping to have dispelled:

  • Palace piss me off - perennial mid to low rankers afforded disproportionately positive press coverage. Were we falling for a shiny Palace thing in hiring Glasner?
  • System managers piss me off - just uncomplicate the game and play to your team’s strengths, including giving them agency to make their own decisions on the pitch, not metronomically follow a set pattern. Would Glasner be adaptable?
  • Sangare is neither as bad as first thought or as good as recently thought. His weakness is still his mobility, masked very ably by Anderson. Would we support him with the right kind of midfield partner, or otherwise solve the problem? If not, we were exacerbating the impact of losing Anderson.
  • We’ve looked like we don’t really know how to attack and score for some time. Could we find a method for being incisive in attack again?
  • The 3 teams coming up ought to be weak again. To what degree would we have the patience with Glasner to have a wretched season that’s never truly in danger, if that’s what it took to build stability.

I’ve every intention of staying patient significantly longer than I was with Ange, and I’m nowhere near losing that patience. But I’m more, not less, concerned on all of these fronts than I was pre season. Can’t be denied that this is a disappointing start.

My mood is pensive.
 
Browser79 said:
Whilst I was broadly supportive of Glasner’s arrival, there were various hypotheses I was carrying into this season and hoping to have dispelled:

  • Palace piss me off - perennial mid to low rankers afforded disproportionately positive press coverage. Were we falling for a shiny Palace thing in hiring Glasner?
  • System managers piss me off - just uncomplicate the game and play to your team’s strengths, including giving them agency to make their own decisions on the pitch, not metronomically follow a set pattern. Would Glasner be adaptable?
  • Sangare is neither as bad as first thought or as good as recently thought. His weakness is still his mobility, masked very ably by Anderson. Would we support him with the right kind of midfield partner, or otherwise solve the problem? If not, we were exacerbating the impact of losing Anderson.
  • We’ve looked like we don’t really know how to attack and score for some time. Could we find a method for being incisive in attack again?
  • The 3 teams coming up ought to be weak again. To what degree would we have the patience with Glasner to have a wretched season that’s never truly in danger, if that’s what it took to build stability.

I’ve every intention of staying patient significantly longer than I was with Ange, and I’m nowhere near losing that patience. But I’m more, not less, concerned on all of these fronts than I was pre season. Can’t be denied that this is a disappointing start.

My mood is pensive.
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The system point is a good one (as are the others), I never understand why managers are that tied to a certain formation, to the point where they'd rather be sacked than change it. It's madness really.

I can only put it down to ego. That their way is the only way and that changing it is an admission of failure and therefore shows weakness.
 
JonnoSnr said:
The system point is a good one (as are the others), I never understand why managers are that tied to a certain formation, to the point where they'd rather be sacked than change it. It's madness really.

I can only put it down to ego. That their way is the only way and that changing it is an admission of failure and therefore shows weakness.
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Yeah. And on the flip it’s easy for lay people to call for the uncomplication of what is probably a more complicated game than we realise. I’m suspending judgement on all things, and ultimately it’ll come down to points. Then any manager is fooked when plebs like me become convinced they can see the problems and do the job better than the manager.
 
Nobody likes watching their team not playing well and losing. Nobody likes starting the season with two home losses. Nobody likes losing to Leeds. Twice. Fans, players, coaching staff are all unhappy in that moment. But if we could not boo our team, who are clearly a work in progress, when they lose in the first week of the season it would benefit everyone of a Forest persuasion, I'm certain of that . I don't know what has happened to football supporters, but it seems almost impossible for a team to play poorly and lose at home without being booed by their own fans. It's not a Forest thing, it's everywhere. Why did this happen?

I get the "turn fans into customers and they behave like customers" argument. But it's clearly counterproductive. If any fan does truly see themselves as a customer, then taking actions that will lead to a worse "product" is still shooting yourself in the foot. We've seen what backing the team in adversity can do. It kept Cooper in a job and helped Forest get enough points at the City Ground that season to stay up when we were favourites for relegation. It got Forest over the line when the last play off semi final seemed to be going the same way as all our previous ones. And though that came from a unique build up of twenty three years of disappointment, nobody is expecting that to return. We just need to support the team a bit when they need it more, and not boo whenever they lose. We're "supporters". The clue is in the name surely? There used be a saying about "supporting through thick and thin". Now anyone who supports when the team looks like they need it gets called "a happy clapper". It's very strange.

It could get worse before it gets better. That ought to be okay. It's August 26th. It's still the cricket season. We'll have a new record signing this season who has not even been announced yet. We've booed them off already. It's not just up to Forza Garibaldi to put on displays to try to remind us that we like Forest even though they are not always good.
 
Woke up today feeling positive. Yes results have been disappointing against Leeds but genuinely believe at this point of the season, teams like Leeds, Brentford and Everton will be the toughest fixtures as so many others are in transition. It might take a few weeks of patience but have faith Glasner will come good.
 
Ryan’s Johnson said:
Woke up today feeling positive. Yes results have been disappointing against Leeds but genuinely believe at this point of the season, teams like Leeds, Brentford and Everton will be the toughest fixtures as so many others are in transition. It might take a few weeks of patience but have faith Glasner will come good.
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Flip it around and last season we’d won opening premier league game, scored three and thought (at half time) we were in for a storming season…
 
Early days, content to allow time etc.

Hoping that by the time we're rocking we haven't given everyone else so much head start that our ambition is capped at finishing 15th.
 
Browser79 said:
Whilst I was broadly supportive of Glasner’s arrival, there were various hypotheses I was carrying into this season and hoping to have dispelled:


  • System managers piss me off - just uncomplicate the game and play to your team’s strengths, including giving them agency to make their own decisions on the pitch, not metronomically follow a set pattern. Would Glasner be adaptable?
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I'm 100% with you on that.
 
Oh, I'm in yo-yo mode again. Up and down all the time, but after today I think I'll be more up than down this season, because Olly has got the team playing to their strengths.

What I thought were puzzling moves in the transfer market, or, rather, the deafening silence for most of the window, has now turned into sudden and positive action.

So I shall sleep well tonight, content.
 
My mood has increased significantly. Signings and a good performance what’s not to like. Armstrong is a good transfer but all depends on his sell on clause. Munoz is great for 22 mill. I wonder if there is any others?
 
JonnoSnr said:
The system point is a good one (as are the others), I never understand why managers are that tied to a certain formation, to the point where they'd rather be sacked than change it. It's madness really.

I can only put it down to ego. That their way is the only way and that changing it is an admission of failure and therefore shows weakness.
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Because without a "system" then the manager is just a cheerleader. And that has serious limits. Football has changed dramatically over the past few decades. I think most keepers, defenders and mids demand it of managers.
 
Sir John Borlase Warren said:
It struck me that TV/radio commentators are no longer saying 'this is the first time that Forest have done X since year dot' at every match. A small sign of progress.
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I think that’s partly because we’ve stuck around in the Premier League for a bit and done things like win at Anfield and partly because Gary Lineker’s left MotD. Even if he wasn’t solely responsible for his scripts I lost count of the number of times he’d quote one of those stats with undisguised relish…
 
Ian Moore Gone Little said:
I think that’s partly because we’ve stuck around in the Premier League for a bit and done things like win at Anfield and partly because Gary Lineker’s left MotD. Even if he wasn’t solely responsible for his scripts I lost count of the number of times he’d quote one of those stats with undisguised relish…
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To paraphrase the Sex Pistols:

„Where’s Gary Lineker now?“
 
Is anyone else in a complete state of calm?

I feel that the overall direction of the club is positive, the transfer window was good and nothing like the erratic ones of the past. We kept hold of our key players and signed quality over quantity. Our manager is a very calm and studious type with a proven track record at previous clubs. Yes, the results aren't quite there at the moment and there are arguments over the new system, but I feel that once things start to click, we could get on a real good run.

Other clubs are in a state of panic already; Coventry and Ipswich are going to struggle. Fulham, Palace and Everton fans are worried about lack of transfer business, Bournemouth and Sunderland are competing on several different fronts this season and they will struggle with the Thursday/Sunday games. Even Villa fans think that there season could be a slog.

Appreciate that the start of the season hasn't been ideal; I'm not completely ecstatic, nor am I despondent, just in a state of contentment and acceptance of this transitional period.
 
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