The Keys!

[earthworm]

You're allowed to pick 3 key things that happened that made us s**t, and 3 things that happened to make us good again, try to think of the biggest 3 in each case, and put them in order!

S**t: 1) Platt, 2) Selling Reid and Dawson, 3) Kinnear

Good: 1) Billy, 2) Cheltenham, 3) McKenna

 

[Jonathan]

I think you have the three 'shits' right, although I'd perhaps be willing to forego Dawson and Reid's sale as we couldn't afford to turn it down I don't think. Maybe replace it with letting Harewood go for so little instead.

As for what made us good again, I can't help but include Calderwood in there.

He bought some very good players for Forest and without him, we wouldn't have got back up. Granted, there was a fair bit of luck involved, but I think he deserves some credit. Obviously, things went tits up for him and it's obvious why and so he was rightly sacked but he was still good for the club to an extent.

 

[thehockleyhustler]

Sh*t-
1.Platt wasting all that money making Doughty reluctant to trust future manager with his cash
2.Letting 2 goal lead slip at Bramell Lane Playoff Semi
3.Seliing top class players and replacing them with crap

On the Up.
1.Billy Davies
2. Nigel learning to trust again
3.Overall Loyalty of our supports

 

[winnits]

1. Paul Gascoigne not getting sent off in the 1991 FA Cup final, which we would then have won, and Brian Clough could have retired on a high, and a new manager (possibly Clark, possibly not) could have come in on a high - with the likes of Roy Keane and Nigel Clough content to stay.

2. Not replacing Teddy Sheringham, or rather, replacing him with Robert Rosario rather than Stan Collymore. We would have avoided that most ill-timed relegation just as the cash was flowing into the game.

3. The kerfuffle leading to Pierre VH's strike action - selling Campbell, and basically doing what Forest do periodically, selling off talent and replacing it with shite.

Certainly Platt was fooking rubbish, but the rot had well and truly set in before he took the helm.

We aren't good again yet, but are heading in the right direction...

1. Nigel Doughty - like him or not he's provided a stable financial foundation to build on, he's had a lot of lessons to learn as he's tried just about every type of manager going, now he's found the right one he's splashed the cash.... which leads me on to...

2. Billy Davies - we have needed someone like him for a long time, organised, passionate and incredibly knowledgable. We're lucky to have him.

3. Transfer panel - much maligned, but they've delivered this season.

 

[Marshall.]

1. Clough

 

[winnits]

That's a point actually... revised my 'good'...

1. Clough and Taylor - build the foundations upon which anything later will never eclipse.

2. Nigel Doughty - like him or not he's provided a stable financial foundation to build on, he's had a lot of lessons to learn as he's tried just about every type of manager going, now he's found the right one he's splashed the cash.... which leads me on to...

3. Billy Davies - we have needed someone like him for a long time, organised, passionate and incredibly knowledgable. We're lucky to have him.

 

[chandler]

My first post prompted by a great question...

Shit
1. The Forest board backing David Platt
2. The Forest board not backing Paul Hart at the crucial time including not signing Huckerby and post playoff selling of players
3. Joke in Here pretending to us all that he had the financial backing of the board, and as a result the supporters total lack of trust in the football club

On the Up
1. Signing Earnie - showed big players would still talk to Forest after years of no thank yous from player after player
2. Billy Davies - Can't beat a manager with something to prove
3. Getting the spine of the team right...Camp, Morgan, Mckenna, Blackstock

 

[earthworm]

1. Clough

I kind of meant after Clough really, since we were mostly good when he was around. But yeah, point taken.

 

[Rich]

Shit:

Ground developments: The Executive Stand put cost too much. The Trent End cost too much and required serious bailing out.

The backpass rule: much like Liverpool, we were dominant when we could play the ball back to the goalkeeper. He had a defender quicker than anyone, who only had to nip in front of an attacker and get a toe on the ball for it to be safely gathered up. We didn't adjust to it well.

The Premiership: Brian Clough wasn't much of a fan of learning about the opposition. Just look at how he mocked Don Revie's dossiers. This was all well and good until Andy Gray and his toys came out to play, and every team could be analysed by everyone. We got ourselves into a situation where everyone in the stand knew everything about both sides, except for Clough.

Others for consideration: Gazza/not winning the FA Cup, as that would have seen Clough leave the club on a high and us enter the Premiership with a manager that could keep up with the changing times, Platt, obviously, Scholar and the other chairmen who wanted to ruin the club.

Made us great again:

Controversially, Lee Camp. Not his biggest fan, and I prefer Smith as a goalkeeper, but Camp has asserted himself on the defence. He pushes them into shape, and doesn't allow people not to do as he says. He's been great for the club. As a pure goalkeeper, I think Smith is better. As a goalkeeper for this team, Camp has been great.

Billy Davies. He's teaching the team to win games whislt playing nice football, rather than teaching them that nice football wins games.

Nigel Doughty. Without him we'd be in the shit. No doubt about it.

 

[thehockleyhustler]

s**t:

Ground developments: The Executive Stand put cost too much. The Trent End cost too much and required serious bailing out.

The backpass rule: much like Liverpool, we were dominant when we could play the ball back to the goalkeeper. He had a defender quicker than anyone, who only had to nip in front of an attacker and get a toe on the ball for it to be safely gathered up. We didn't adjust to it well.

The Premiership: Brian Clough wasn't much of a fan of learning about the opposition. Just look at how he mocked Don Revie's dossiers. This was all well and good until Andy Gray and his toys came out to play, and every team could be analysed by everyone. We got ourselves into a situation where everyone in the stand knew everything about both sides, except for Clough.

Others for consideration: Gazza/not winning the FA Cup, as that would have seen Clough leave the club on a high and us enter the Premiership with a manager that could keep up with the changing times, Platt, obviously, Scholar and the other chairmen who wanted to ruin the club.

Made us great again:

Controversially, Lee Camp. Not his biggest fan, and I prefer Smith as a goalkeeper, but Camp has asserted himself on the defence. He pushes them into shape, and doesn't allow people not to do as he says. He's been great for the club. As a pure goalkeeper, I think Smith is better. As a goalkeeper for this team, Camp has been great.

Billy Davies. He's teaching the team to win games whislt playing nice football, rather than teaching them that nice football wins games.

Nigel Doughty. Without him we'd be in the s**t. No doubt about it.

Who hacked Rich's account?

 

[Rich]

I mean it.

I think often people view my comments as me disliking Camp, which I don't.

I think he's done wonders for the team.

 

[thehockleyhustler]

I mean it.

I think often people view my comments as me disliking Camp, which I don't.

I think he's done wonders for the team.

He sure has although long term I'm not sure he could hack it in the Prem

 

[Noshie]

S**T

1. Platt. Yes the rot was well and truely set in but his signings were not shrewd they were based on his mates getting a last payday at the expense of our club, no wonder ND locked the safe.

2. Selling younger players, I know it couldn't always be avoided but the 3 that stand out are Keane, Dawson & Reid.

3. Because of point 1, not backing Hart and giving him a real chance, if we wern't going to back him then we should have got him back involved in the youth set up because he is expetional in that role.

Good

1. Colin Calderwood wound me up sometimes but I think he stablised the club, he was the right man at that time, his work was complete and it was the right time for change.

2. Billy Davies, yes I wasn't too keen on the fella at first but there is no doubt his record speaks itself, the right man at the right time. Kinda like being single for years and forgetting what its like to suddenly meet your missus and rediscover the bedroom!! That's how I feel about Forest!!

3. Difficult but ND has to take massive credit. People have been quick to criticise over the years but at a guess (apart from the Platt incident) without his patience and willingness to bridge club debts over the years we could well have been in administration years ago.

 

[earthworm]

I think he's done wonders for the team.

He really has got a pan on him, at quiet points in quiet games, I can hear him bollocking defenders from the Upper Clough!

I put McKenna, but its an interesting one, they're both key additions, and key players.

 

[deleted]

He really has got a pan on him, at quiet points in quiet games, I can hear him bollocking defenders from the Upper Clough!

It's have to be pretty quiet if he's sitting in the Upper Clough.

 

[Crooked Red]

Shit

1. Psycho getting injured. Missed a lot of the season when we went down, we really missed him.
2. Losing to Man Utd in league cup. They won with a goal created down our left. Brett Williams or Psycho? If Psycho hadnt been injured we could have won that game. With a spot in the uefa cup for the winner, the repercussions of that game were immense. Maybe just maybe we could have hung o to Dessie, or signed a decent replacement - seem to recall we were inked with a young Laurent Blanc, but at the time we were struggling in the prem - a spot in the uefa cup might have helped us attract players like him and BAGGIO!
3. Doughty's ability to pick a sequence of bad managers and lack of confidence in supporting them financially

Good

1. The much maligned CC stopped the rot. Until then we had out first ever defeat against wigan, first ever euro cup winners to drop to 3rd tier, first ever defeat against yeovil, first ever..... so many firsts and all of them bad. Under CC (ok technically it started with Charlie and Frank) the backward momentum was removed and we started to standstill and then slowly move forwards. Ok he was limited how far he could take us, but we should always be happy that he came in when he did cos i dont think Billy would have dropped down to the 3rd division to rescue us.
2. Billy - say no more
3. Doughty - he seems happy to back his man. Long may it continue

 

[zigga-zagga]

1. Clough

Could go on both sides - yes he was good but he should have gone after losing the 91 Cup Final. His extra year cost us dearly.

 

[sedgred]

Shite

Sell out of the club by the Committee.............Start of the rot
Clough's legacy, for years been a shadow on so many managers
Finances, just as the game moved up several gears, we were royally rodgered

Good

Nigel Doughty,
Gary Megson for outing so much deadwood during his time here, although results wise not a success, but he did clear the rotten dressing room out.
Forest supporters, the club has been lucky the past few years, despite our reputation for moaning ( I like to think we are an intelligent crowd and will not accept lack of effort ), the Forest fans have been magnificent.

Many other points covered already, so I picked the less obvious at times.

 

[windmill]

I mean it.

I think often people view my comments as me disliking Camp, which I don't.

I think he's done wonders for the team.

So why the hard on for Smith then?

 

[cuppachump]

1) The size of the Bells Whiskey Jars they used to give away as manager of the month awards in the eighties.
2) Italians. (and Italian style business practices by the old committee / board)
3) Frank Clark admitting he didnt know what to do now on radio Nottingham. (that was the thing that got him fired as I remember it now)

1) Mugson's sacking.
2) Doughty's pockets shortening (or arms growing)
3) The first manager who understands the need for a "mixed game" since Clark.

 

[andyred]

Bad,

1) Selling to Ivrine Scholar & the other one (was is Nigel Wray?)
2) Selling Kevin Campbell whilst the manager was on holiday and losing PVH as a result.
3) Employing and backing David Platt.

Good

1) ND taking control from the people who ruined our club and turning things around (albeit very slowly and with some mistakes along the way).
2) Paul Hart's Academy (without the sales of those players we might not exist now)
3) Implementing a transfer panel means we get quality signings and stop wasting money.

 

[Erik]

Shite-

1/ Irving Scholar and Nigel Wray.
2/ David Platt
3/ Mark Arthur


Good -

1/ Nigel Doughty
2/ Mark Arthur
3/ Megson (The football was shite, the results were shite but he turned the tanker away from the rocks allowing CC then BD to do their work). And yes - I do think that - and no - I wouldn't have him back - ever.

 

[Flaggers]

Bad things:

Not buying the lease/freehold whichever it was on the ground upon which we play when it was made available in the late 80s early 90s.

Roger Milford. Referee, FA Cup Final 1991.

Ron Atkinson. That period was amongst the bleakest and darkest in the 144 years of the club.

Good things:

Brian H Clough & Peter Taylor.

Not getting relegated in the last 5 years. Would have been the death-knell.

m------*****gdexterbl**dyblackstockohmyf*****ggodyesgetinyouc***s' goal. Didn't save us, didn't promote us, but undoubtedly THAT goal kept us in the division and helped put us where we are today.

 

[Eddie]

Bad,,,

The UEFA Ban on British Teams during the late 80's.

Hillborough,, as a result we had to build 2 new stands with money we didnt have.

The FA Cup final - Gazza should have walked for his tackle on Garry Parker, nevermind the tackle on Gary Charles!

If none of the above had happened, we'd have started the 90's with a much better squad and Clough would have retired before his drinking became too much of a problem and we were subsequently relegated.

Good,,

Billy Davies

Nigel Doughty (his money if anything)

The Transfer Committee,, it seems to be working quite well

 

[winnits]

Another bad thing is Heysel, which denied us the opportunity to compete in Europe during an era when we would have done so reasonably frequently.