The GOD BLESS AMERICA Megathread!

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Dogtits

#1 Forest fan in NA
Devils advocate, but how are mental health services in America? Are they easy to access? Do they cost a fortune? Are there charity subsidiaries? I genuinely don't know.

Fucking terrible, Carlos. This happened in one of the worst school districts and poorest areas, hence lack of funding for that specific school. I think it was 17 students per one teacher and the school had only one councilor.

There simply isn’t enough resources allotted to them because of how school funding works here.
 

Dogtits

#1 Forest fan in NA
I've just read an article that perhaps answers my own question.... Texas has ammended a law allowing young adults 18-21 to buy firearms if they are classed as vulnerable to abuse etc.

So what are the usual (and stereotypical) causes of mental health issues?

I may be wrong and willing to be corrected, but if I am right that highlights a massive issue.

Didn’t see you post this, he bought guns on his 18th bday. As soon as he turned 18, he knew what to do. They’re so proud you could buy guns so quickly and so young, then shit like this happens.

He might’ve been terminally online, like the Buffalo shooter, or he could’ve been bullied in person at his high-school. No info has came out regarding this yet, I’m sure in the coming days we’ll see.
 

Carlos

Massive Member
Didn’t see you post this, he bought guns on his 18th bday. As soon as he turned 18, he knew what to do. They’re so proud you could buy guns so quickly and so young, then shit like this happens.

He might’ve been terminally online, like the Buffalo shooter, or he could’ve been bullied in person at his high-school. No info has came out regarding this yet, I’m sure in the coming days we’ll see.
Apologies if already been covered and I've I've misunderstood you, but are you saying that the only mental health services provided there are by a school counsellor?

I'm also not making excuses for the shooter either, I just don't think the answer is taking away guns, not because everyone should have a right to have them, but because of what I wrote above. (It creating a bigger problem the initial 2nd amendment created)

If the answer is for humans to be better then more help should be given, because when they get to this stage, the fuckers will bash in people's head with a rock if needs be if guns didn't exist at all.
 

Dogtits

#1 Forest fan in NA
Apologies if already been covered and I've I've misunderstood you, but are you saying that the only mental health services provided there are by a school counsellor?

I'm also not making excuses for the shooter either, I just don't think the answer is taking away guns, not because everyone should have a right to have them, but because of what I wrote above. (It creating a bigger problem the initial 2nd amendment created)

If the answer is for humans to be better then more help should be given, because when they get to this stage, the fuckers will bash in people's head with a rock if needs be if guns didn't exist at all.

Yeah as with the case with most school districts, the poorer it is the worst it’s mental health services are. I’m going off of hearsay since I don’t live in Uvalde but I’m assuming that the only mental health help he’d have access to is his school councilor. Since he was going to highschool, the ratio for students to councilors and teachers are probably disgusting. And this isn’t even factoring how shit the quality is regarding school mental health resources are!

Idk how his health insurance is, therapy sessions can be expensive for those with shitty health insurance.

The problem isn’t really with guns, it’s the fact that people with fucked minds can have unrestricted access to guns. In New Zealand you can get a gun after proving in multiple ways that you aren’t mentally unstable. But of course, if guns were at the discretion of the cops like it is in NZ, then people will scream bloody murder here.

It’s a tough situation.
 

Carlos

Massive Member
Yeah as with the case with most school districts, the poorer it is the worst it’s mental health services are. I’m going off of hearsay since I don’t live in Uvalde but I’m assuming that the only mental health help he’d have access to is his school councilor. Since he was going to highschool, the ratio for students to councilors and teachers are probably disgusting. And this isn’t even factoring how shit the quality is regarding school mental health resources are!

Idk how his health insurance is, therapy sessions can be expensive for those with shitty health insurance.

The problem isn’t really with guns, it’s the fact that people with fucked minds can have unrestricted access to guns. In New Zealand you can get a gun after proving in multiple ways that you aren’t mentally unstable. But of course, if guns were at the discretion of the cops like it is in NZ, then people will scream bloody murder here.

It’s a tough situation.
Yeah it's kind of what I've been leaning towards. Most people committing these horrific acts are either:

- Groomed online by ultra right wing propaganda leading to them thinking they are doing their duty (see: ISIS)

- Have been abused, either by the system or people they know and decide to end it all, but not by the usual means they decide to do something so abhorrent, their life is over anyway.

Both of those examples show that the right support network can possibly stop 80% of these things happening without the rapid change in gun control, which in my opinion would cause nothing short of a civil war and guns going underground instead.

What would cost America more? Investing in their own healthcare system to provide more options of support networks (because just having a school counsellor is just not good enough, not to say I'm saying they're shit at their jobs) or having news like this coming out on an almost weekly basis?

School counsellors provide an excellent option, but we've all been to school, if you are seeing them regularly the other students pick up on it and it just makes the bullying and stuff worse, if they have nowhere to turn outside of that? They go to the internet.
 
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Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
It's about the indigenous peoples evict the occupying foreigners, reclaim the country for their own, and start all over again.
USA is broken, it seems to be beyond fixing.
 

Strummer

Orel Mangala Fan Club
As some know (and cos I’ve droned about it enough) I’ve been to the US quite a few times for work.

And what astonished me was that you could go to Walmart (fucking Walmart!) and buy off the shelf weapons that were the functional equivalent of what we carried in the army.

Yes I get the „MUH FREEDUM!“ argument, but why the duck does the average American need an assault rifle?
 

BryanRoy22

Ian Bowyer

From that same timeline...

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Any Time Now

Viv Anderson
From that same timeline...

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Sadly that will never change, even the most heinous crimes are completely glossed over and forgotten after a couple of weeks

I think it's largely due to the fact everyone can tap into social media apps that provide a platform for global news outlets to cover thousands of events across any part of the world, in theory this should be a good thing but sadly I think it's desensitized people who are now used to being continuously exposed to attrocities all around the world in real time

Everything has an expiry date now, tragedies that should be the centre of attention become nothing more than updates on peoples newsfeeds
 
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Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
As some know (and cos I’ve droned about it enough) I’ve been to the US quite a few times for work.

And what astonished me was that you could go to Walmart (fucking Walmart!) and buy off the shelf weapons that were the functional equivalent of what we carried in the army.

Yes I get the „MUH FREEDUM!“ argument, but why the duck does the average American need an assault rifle?

Oooh I know the answer to the question :"Why the duck does the average American need an assault rifle?".
It's because the shit-for-brains below average mother-duckers can get an assault rifle and the average American needs to match firepower with firepower.
 

EmmersonForest4

Stuart Pearce
It was conceived at a time where guns were necessary to warn off tyrannical governments and they were only muskets.

When governments have drones, nukes, tanks and rpgs it dosen’t really make any sense to have a semi automatic weapon.

I like freedom more than anyone but I prefer a society with less guns than more. I also bet any money policing in America will be so much better for it as well.

Saying that guns are legal in Canada and they don’t seem to have this problem so maybe it’s cultural as well. I don’t know but worth exploring.
 

Dogtits

#1 Forest fan in NA
It was conceived at a time where guns were necessary to warn off tyrannical governments and they were only muskets.

When governments have drones, nukes, tanks and rpgs it dosen’t really make any sense to have a semi automatic weapon.

I like freedom more than anyone but I prefer a society with less guns than more. I also bet any money policing in America will be so much better for it as well.

Saying that guns are legal in Canada and they don’t seem to have this problem so maybe it’s cultural as well. I don’t know but worth exploring.

There are nations where guns are legal, like us, but crucially they have many restrictions to make it hard for scumbags like yesterdays shooter to buy one. Dude just rolled up to a store and bought rifles when he turned 18.

I heard a stat recently idk if it’s true, a majority of Mexico’s gun violence come from weapons purchased or atleast acquired in America.
(https://www.americanprogress.org/article/new-lawsuit-illustrates-problem-u-s-guns-mexico/)

It’s THE GUN LOBBY.

90% of Americans supports a universal background check, wouldn’t stop all psychos from getting guns but it’s a lot better than NOT having those checks like rn. The only cultural aspect here is the disregard we show for the youths mental health.
 

ozthecoz

Geoff Thomas
As a start, how about a large tax on the purchase of fire arms and ammunition that goes directly towards a better mental healthcare system thats free for all to use
 

Strummer

Orel Mangala Fan Club
As a start, how about a large tax on the purchase of fire arms and ammunition that goes directly towards a better mental healthcare system thats free for all to use

Free healthcare??

Bah Gahd, that’s Communism!.

(But seriously, you’re right. I do love America and it’s culture, but the country has been led into the sewer by a succession of corrupt politicians, and the rigid bipartisan structure of American politics and its entrenched lobbying system means that’ll never change).
 

Strummer

Orel Mangala Fan Club
I love you too Chris

Some years back, I was sat in a bar in Detroit (Founders Brewing Co, if you ever visit Motown, go there, it’s fantastic) and as ever the talk got to politics.

I said to my American colleagues, that what the US needed is something akin to what happened in Cuba in 1959, where a corrupt and tottering government was toppled by a revolution led by a man of the people.

That was an interesting conversation!

But look, America has been perverted by a cohort of Conservative religious bigots, who use money funnelled-in from the billionaire class to drive their own agenda and effectively steal billions from normal Americans, all the while peddling crap about the „American Dream“ ().

America deserves better, when you’ve got the ridiculous situation that a handful of bent, bought and paid for Senators can block any sort of progressive action that would benefit hundreds of millions of ordinary Americans.
 

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Some years back, I was sat in a bar in Detroit (Founders Brewing Co, if you ever visit Motown, go there, it’s fantastic) and as ever the talk got to politics.

I said to my American colleagues, that what the US needed is something akin to what happened in Cuba in 1959, where a corrupt and tottering government was toppled by a revolution led by a man of the people.

That was an interesting conversation!

But look, America has been perverted by a cohort of Conservative religious bigots, who use money funnelled-in from the billionaire class to drive their own agenda and effectively steal billions from normal Americans, all the while peddling crap about the „American Dream“ ().

America deserves better, when you’ve got the ridiculous situation that a handful of bent, bought and paid for Senators can block any sort of progressive action that would benefit hundreds of millions of ordinary Americans.


You could replace “America” with every other so-called democratic nation and totalitarian state, and it would still make perfect sense.
 

Dogtits

#1 Forest fan in NA
Some years back, I was sat in a bar in Detroit (Founders Brewing Co, if you ever visit Motown, go there, it’s fantastic) and as ever the talk got to politics.

I said to my American colleagues, that what the US needed is something akin to what happened in Cuba in 1959, where a corrupt and tottering government was toppled by a revolution led by a man of the people.

That was an interesting conversation!

But look, America has been perverted by a cohort of Conservative religious bigots, who use money funnelled-in from the billionaire class to drive their own agenda and effectively steal billions from normal Americans, all the while peddling crap about the „American Dream“ ().

America deserves better, when you’ve got the ridiculous situation that a handful of bent, bought and paid for Senators can block any sort of progressive action that would benefit hundreds of millions of ordinary Americans.

Last mini paragraph is basically why I’m a doomer. So many normal Americans like the ideas of a progressive but because every. Single. Politician. are basically corporate robots, nothing will EVER change. It’s fucking disgusting.

I Couldn’t put things any better Chris, it’s really a bleak sounding situation isn’t it?

It’s so shit.
 

Strummer

Orel Mangala Fan Club
Last mini paragraph is basically why I’m a doomer. So many normal Americans like the ideas of a progressive but because every. Single. Politician. are basically corporate robots, nothing will EVER change. It’s fucking disgusting.

I Couldn’t put things any better Chris, it’s really a bleak sounding situation isn’t it?

It’s so shit.

You need to emigrate Thomas. There are other countries less beholden to corrupt money.
 

Fitzcarraldo

Ian Storey-Moore
When guns become the biggest symbol of freedoms, you know you're fucked.

Democracy is the illusion of freedoms, and no 'democratic' country in the world exemplifies this more than the US - the land of the free.
 
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