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Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Statto said:
It makes sense if you think about it.

If two clubs are owned by the same owner there is a chance they will take decisions which benefit one of the other clubs.

If Club A and Club B were both in the same competition and Club A were already through and one match to go a draw would send Club B through with them but a win for Club A would knock Club B out, then there'd be a fair chance that Club A would play for a draw rather than winning. That would then be a bit harsh on the club that would miss out because mostly teams go into matches to try and win them.

That could happen still even if EM put his Forest shares into a blind trust so someone else controlled it, it'd still technically be part of the same group, and there would still be the chance that the two clubs could take a decision which benefits both as opposed to just one of them.

Palace had a chance of resolving the ownership issue by the deadline as they had a chance of qualifying but chose not to. If they hadn't qualified they could have reversed it.
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If it is a nonesense then the logical conclusion has to be no one owner can own more than one club withing the confines of Europe.
There is so much more serious opportunity for corrupt behaviour, not just 2 clubs under the same ownership playing each other in a European competition.
Player swaps/loans and deals can be arranged to subvert PSR.
One owner, one club.
That's the only logical solution.
 
Robertson

Robertson

Grenville Morris
Captain Sinister said:
If it is a nonesense then the logical conclusion has to be no one owner can own more than one club withing the confines of Europe.
There is so much more serious opportunity for corrupt behaviour, not just 2 clubs under the same ownership playing each other in a European competition.
Player swaps/loans and deals can be arranged to subvert PSR.
One owner, one club.
That's the only logical solution.
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Well OK, but we’d be screwed then.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
virgo said:
That is irrelevant, we have followed the accepted rules, and Crystal Palace haven’t.
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I object to the term "irrelevant..
Just because we are supporters of NFFC we shouldn't be blind to the fact that financial engineering as undertaken by EM is there to take advantage of the poorly drafted rules.
Just because he, and other owners can, doesn't mean they should.
My point about EM is absolutely germaine.
 
Robertson

Robertson

Grenville Morris
Captain Sinister said:
So, just because it suits us we should be happy it is happening?
I love Forest, and I used to love football.
Now football is no longer football,: it's all about who has the most money, can pay the best lawyers, and pay the mot creative financial engineeers.
That is a dreadful state of affairs.
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Given the alternative was bobbing around the Championship with Fawaz for another 20 years, or worse, I've made my peace with it.
The corinthian days are long gone, if they ever existed in the first place.
 
Gyros Peter

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
Thing is though, if one person wants multiple clubs they will do it whether there's rules in place or not. The one person one club ship sailed a long time ago.
Captain Sinister said:
If it is a nonesense then the logical conclusion has to be no one owner can own more than one club withing the confines of Europe.
There is so much more serious opportunity for corrupt behaviour, not just 2 clubs under the same ownership playing each other in a European competition.
Player swaps/loans and deals can be arranged to subvert PSR.
One owner, one club.
That's the only logical solution.
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V

virgo

Geoff Thomas
Captain Sinister said:
I object to the term "irrelevant..
Just because we are supporters of NFFC we shouldn't be blind to the fact that financial engineering as undertaken by EM is there to take advantage of the poorly drafted rules.
Just because he, and other owners can, doesn't mean they should.
My point about EM is absolutely germaine.
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You can object as much as you like, your objection is irrelevant to me.
You answer your own question in the above diatribe when you say “ poorly written rules”.

We have complied with these poorly written rules, just as many other clubs have, Crystal Palace haven’t .

We didn’t write the rules, we just complied with them, a subtle difference you seem to have missed somehow.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Gyros Peter said:
Thing is though, if one person wants multiple clubs they will do it whether there's rules in place or not. The one person one club ship sailed a long time ago.
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It'd happen like it could anyway - when the al-Hasawi family bought us, Omar was chairman initially and then he handed it over to Fawaz.

There wouldn't in principle be any way they could stop EM handing the club to Mitladis if he wasn't allowed to own Oly and Forest. Or give it to his wife. Or anyone else who would just do what he said.
 
vertigored

vertigored

Viv Anderson
Statto said:
It'd happen like it could anyway - when the al-Hasawi family bought us, Omar was chairman initially and then he handed it over to Fawaz.

There wouldn't in principle be any way they could stop EM handing the club to Mitladis if he wasn't allowed to own Oly and Forest. Or give it to his wife. Or anyone else who would just do what he said.
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That’s been going round my head, why bother with the blind trust or whatever it is, just put militadis name above the door and carry on?
 
I'm Red Till Dead

I'm Red Till Dead

Stuart Pearce
I see that according to Kieran Maguire that the blind trust has been reversed

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If Palace are removed from the Europa and Forest take their place isn't their a potential scenario where Olympiacos are knocked out of the Champions League and enter the Europa League putting the clubs in a similar position to Palace and Lyon?
 
Listen 'ere young man

Listen 'ere young man

John Robertson
I'm Red Till Dead said:
I see that according to Kieran Maguire that the blind trust has been reversed

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If Palace are removed from the Europa and Forest take their place isn't their a potential scenario where Olympiacos are knocked out of the Champions League and enter the Europa League putting the clubs in a similar position to Palace and Lyon?
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Thought the CL teams don't end up the Europa any more.
 
Robertson

Robertson

Grenville Morris
I'm Red Till Dead said:
I see that according to Kieran Maguire that the blind trust has been reversed

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If Palace are removed from the Europa and Forest take their place isn't their a potential scenario where Olympiacos are knocked out of the Champions League and enter the Europa League putting the clubs in a similar position to Palace and Lyon?
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No. They’re in the league phase and no-one drops down from that anymore.
 
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