The best type of support ....

Happysquirrel

A. Trialist
Hi guys, first time post here but have been reading the forums for quite a while, hoping to find out something positive about s*gn*ngs all summer!

I'm not one of the Doughty out brigade, before those accusations come flying at me! I'm sure he's a very capable businessman ...which is part of the problem! For him, our football club is a business, not a passion. I think he is perfectly capable of taking this club back to the level where it belongs (Prem), but also that it will be a challenge for him. He will not find it easy.

If we truly support Forest, then surely its our job as fans to make it as difficult as possible for Doughty to make money from the club without running it in a way that meets our not unreasonable standards, such as; requests for honest communication, expectations that we will *try* and reach the prem when it is realistic (as it was at the beginning of this season and the latter half of last season) through additions to the squad, and supporting the staff he employs by giving them the tools they need to do the job they are given to the best of their ability.

The only way we, as fans, can make a tangible impact upon the club we support and hold dear is by voicing our discontent at match days or by refusing to part with our hard earned cash. For those of the opinion that the best way to support Forest at this time is by getting behind the team, cheering as we did last year, still parting with our cash and carrying on as if everything is acceptable, then I am sorry, but you are wrong.

This not only sends a message to Doughty that we are perfectly happy with mediocrity, but more importantly, allows him to continue running his business at the same comfortable level it is now at. There is no discontent, no financial incentive for Doughty to work harder, to spend more of his cash. As a good businessman, why would Doughty want to take such a large risk when he has no need to? It is up to us, the fans, to create that need.

Doughty's silence, Doughty's refusal to spend any of his cash, Doughty's ability to say one thing to the press, only to do the exact opposite, all depend upon our reaction as fans. If we are to voice our discontent at matchdays, if we are to withhold our money from the club, then the current situation stops being comfortable. Doughty will be forced into action, into a real attempt at taking our club, his business onto the next level.

As I said, I don't want Doughty out. I want Doughty to be forced into keeping his promises, I want him to know that the standards he is setting for our club are not currently acceptable, I want him to use his skills and his resources to achieve what he is capable of, what his business is capable of, what our club is capable of.
 
Nice first post.

I totally understand where you're coming from, but personally I'd never simply stop attending Forest matches because we haven't made any signings, or to make Doughty keep his 'promises'. I've been a fan all throughout my 20 years on this earth, so I haven't seen many successful seasons, and as such I've always been an advocater of the 'through thick and thin' policy of supporting.

Now that's just me, if others want to support Forest differently then that's fine. But I won't be joining you on your crusade. :-*

I also honestly don't think that you'll get anywhere unless you get a really substantial amount of fans to stop attending. And I've seen loads of these types of posts before, so forgive me if I don't think that a massive boycott will happen.
 
What were these promises? I'm sure any suggestions at signings were always caveated with not being held to ransom or spending beyond the valuations of players etc... could somebody find me a list of promises, verbatim, that have been broken?

And welcome, of course - great username!
 
:tophat: Sorry, misunderstanding I think. I don't want a massive boycott, not really calling for that (not the crusading type). Think the message got lost in the frustration, that was just the extreme.

I think the crux of my argument is that as long as all we, as fans, do is quietly complain about what Doughty does, then I'm sure he really doesn't care - It doesn't affect his business in the slightest if on a matchday, and financially, the club maitains its position. The frustrating thing is we have legitimate complaints, and the ability to make them heard, but I agree with you - it probably wont happen to the level required to cause any sort of change.

My main point really is that just because people do decide to boycott matches, or do decide to withhold their money, it doesn't mean they don't care about the club. They are showing support for something they believe passionately about - making a statement that they don't think things are ok.

Opening up a can of worms here (should be a smiley for that!), but I think its the same type of confusion that comes into play when people are criticised for booing. Now, I have never booed a player (although I have cheered a substitution before). Sometimes the boos are unjustified, like when (in my opinion) they were directed at Mckenna last week - he can play well, he did a good job last season, and its not as if he wandered around without putting in any effort.

However, taking the England team at the world cup for example - not to cause too much controversy with Forest examples - people had paid thousands of pounds to watch them play. Then, for some reason, our star centre forward decides he can't be bothered and doesn't like it when the crowd get upset. Now every single fan in the stadium obviously cared about England, but they were annoyed at the way said centre forward didn't seem to care as much as they did! They were entirely justified, and they weren't not supporting the team, they were simply letting everyone know it wasn't good enough!

Showing a negative attitude towards a club or its members doesn't mean you don't care. It means that you are not happy, and sometimes discontent has to be expressed in order to change a situation we all know isn't right.
 
If we truly support Forest, then surely its our job as fans to make it as difficult as possible for Doughty to make money from the club without running it in a way that meets our not unreasonable standards,

Does Doughty make money from the club? I'd doubt he does.

I'd hate us to go down the line of the Norwich City coloured clowns at ManUre, for example.
 
... if we are to withhold our money from the club ...

Whar else am I gunna do on a matchday? lol

... I want him to know that the standards he is setting for our club are not currently acceptable ...

Is the Championship that bad? Its all I've know as a Forest fan (I've wiped League 1 from my mind now), and I've seen some good games at this level ... then again, that'd be me lacking ambition, of course the Prem would be exciting. I dunno.

I'd hate us to go down the line of the Norwich City coloured clowns at ManUre, for example.

Don't knock it, any discontent and that stinking franchise of an excuse for a club is a good thing :)
 
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Couldn't we get away with a "Stand up if you're not happy" chant after we've sung our hearts out to Mull of Kintyre?
We could even follow it up with a "Turn around if you're not happy" - thus theatrically turning our backs to the pitch (Mighty Boosh style).
Dish out a note to supporters on their way in explaining what's gonna occur.
Could look quite effective if 15 odd thousand do it.
After that sing louder than ever before!!

Gets the message across without stopping the support of the lads...
 
:hi:Winnits. I wasn't referring to particular promises, but more reading between the lines of comments such as 'We are investing, we are backing Billy' aimed at this season. not referring to the spend last summer. I'm sure there is a comment somewhere that the money not being spent in Jan would mean that there was extra available for this summer - to an amount that apparently totals more that P & W would have cost combined. Now, call me a skeptic, but I would say that an educated guess suggest the money was never actually there to be spent. Of course this can be denied, but it'll take a lot to persuade me. £6mil to spend, 2 targets achievable for less than £6mil, no money spent, no targets arrive - hmmmmmm.....?
 
I can see why anyone would boycott Forest at the moment. Even though I hate the way Doughty has run the club into the ground over the last eleven years I would never stop attending games to withhold my cash from him, purely for selfish reasons as Forest is my main hobby and interest.
 
:hi:Tuts. I admit I'm working on presumptions here, and that Doughty probably doesn't make anything from it at the moment. However, I would think that when it comes to sell up time or full loan repayment (+ interest) time he would hope to make a bit of a profit on his investment. He hasn't made his fortune by wasting millions of pounds.
 
Lol@Shippo - not a bad idea, but knowing our look Adebola would score a stunning 40 yard drive at exactly the moment we all turned away. With the football league show going on to show a highlight reel indicating how he is the best striker we have ever had at the club, while showing a video of our antics claiming it was some kind of ritualistic celebration.
 
I like the idea of the back-turning - so long as we get the accompanying music :D
 
We're in the position where Doughty is forced to treat running this club seriously. Mistakes were made some years ago which proved to be very painful for our club. Don't forget that Doughty is a fan of our club and as such isn't a 'fly-by-night' we see at many other clubs where the owners obviously know nothing about their clubs (traditions, history, what makes the fans tick etc). Don't let us go down this Doughty out nonsense some of you. We are close to having a very good side and I'm as disappointed as anyone that we failed to sign our top two targets but I haven't time for this boycott/boo/leave early brigade. I think Lyon did the old 'turning yer back during the game' trick the last time we played in a European competition. Quite impressive, but better before the game. I'm quite capable of missing the odd goal when I'm studying the pitch, never mind when I'm staring at another fan's back! I honestly think the powers that be at our club are as disappointed as anyone that we failed to sign anyone. I guess we'll see in due course just HOW disappointed.......
 
:hi:Tuts. I admit I'm working on presumptions here, and that Doughty probably doesn't make anything from it at the moment. However, I would think that when it comes to sell up time or full loan repayment (+ interest) time he would hope to make a bit of a profit on his investment. He hasn't made his fortune by wasting millions of pounds.

I'm just confused. Last season, he opened his wallet a hell of a lot more than I thought he would.

This time round, he's gone the other way.
 
I'm just confused. Last season, he opened his wallet a hell of a lot more than I thought he would.

This time round, he's gone the other way.

Did he really personally fund our summer spending spree though last year? I would have thought a lot would have been covered by the increased revenues from the Championship.

We needed to spend that amount last summer just to give us a chance to compete at this level. This summer he seems to think what we have is adequate though.
 
It's done and dusted now no point crying over spilt milk, onwards and upwards as the old man would say.
 
We needed to spend that amount last summer just to give us a chance to compete at this level. This summer he seems to think what we have is adequate though.

What an ignorant tw@ he must be.

I mean ... imagine thinking that the same team that finished third last season might be "adequate" again this season.
 
Is the Championship that bad? Its all I've know as a Forest fan (I've wiped League 1 from my mind now), and I've seen some good games at this level ... then again, that'd be me lacking ambition, of course the Prem would be exciting. I dunno.

Im the opposite i grew up with the forest sides of the 80's, where we were still relatively successful and at our worst an aston villa sort of club. Even during the 90's the worst we were was a yoyo club. Now we're grateful just to be in the 2nd division. Im still struggling to reconcile with the fact that the most impressive thing we've done in 11 years is beat newcastle and west brom.
I remember when we'd be shocked if we didnt beat those sides.

Every year we are out of the prem I cant help but view it as a failure. Thats just my own personal view though, based on the forest I grew up with. For me now its a completely different club, more a business than anything else and I dunno- everything about it just feels alot smaller and less ambitious.
Im depressed at the thought that now the most we aspire to be is "financially stable".

I understand why that is, but as a fan its depressing.

I guess part of me just believed there was more to doughty than that, and obviously for all his talk of plans- he doesnt quite have the will to pull it off.

Its a big shame.

Maybe I just need to move into present :D
 
Where the Hell is my "New Thread" button ??? !!! :>( I don't seem to have one and this makes me as angry as not signing anyone !!
 
Where the Hell is my "New Thread" button ??? !!! :>( I don't seem to have one and this makes me as angry as not signing anyone !!
New thread button is on the Forest Banter threads page, but sadly only important people have that button. Now what shall I start a new thread about?!
 
What really makes me angry (and I've watched Forest go from crap to best in Europe to crap again) is that I'm watching clubs with less fans, and crapper stadia mint in money from Sky, looking down on us from the Prem and treat us like poor relations (which we are). I don't blame Doughty for the lack of signings but something has gone wrong hasn't it? We only (IMHO) needed a slight adjustment in playing staff to be worthy of the favourites tag people gave us. The spin off, from signing a couple of good players would have been more confidence around the club (and the existing players) and more fans coming to watch (more vocal support) and better results (and more fans coming to support) etc etc. I don't know what the truth is behind our failure to sign Pratley and Whittingham but if it was because of £2-3 million, then that would make me really angry, because most of that would have been earned back fairly quickly (even without an immediate return to the Prem this season.

Having said all that, my support will carry on and I haven't given up the hope that it will still come good this season.
 
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