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Guest
Evening Post said:
Hold me coat, will you ... I'm just off to piss into the wind.
Hold me coat, will you ... I'm just off to piss into the wind.
earthworm
Jack Burkitt
Who f***ing cares MArthur? Stop trying to sell your business bollocks to us football fans!
Let's take Blackburn. Is Blackburn the mega centre of mega business? Is it buggery. Yet the town still has a more successful football club than us!
It f***ing doesn't matter a jot. I don't want my town to be the biggest pile of concrete in the universe, it doesn't need to be for Forest to do well.
f***ing country parks? There's already a load of fields and trees there. They don't need MArthur and his dodgy money grabbing mates to landscape them.
City Ground forever. Let Derby have the f***ing WC. Let Leicester be "the capital of the East Midlands". Meanwhile, Forest are going to be in the Prem in a few years, and who knows, Notts too, and we'll be the football capital and still have some fields left.
adam09
Bob McKinlay
I concur. Who the hell gives a f***ing toss about the East Midlands having a capital.
Put the money into improving the club itself and the surrounding areas.
Put the money into improving the club itself and the surrounding areas.
Seargant Reddog
First Team Squad
yeah.................yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh.....yeah
Mcarthur go back to what you do best ,selling discount womens clothing of j28 of the M1 yeahhhhhhhhhh
Mcarthur go back to what you do best ,selling discount womens clothing of j28 of the M1 yeahhhhhhhhhh
Y
yam
Guest
sebs said:
the city with the biggest population isn't always the capital of the region/state /country
DanR
Steve Chettle
I think the people who work in the retail, education, travel, manufacturing and IT sectors may be slightly perplexed to discover that the capital of a region is decided by which city has the most soulless football ground and whores themselves out to FIFA for the chance of hosting North Korea versus Tunisia.
If Forest have to have a new ground, it should be built for our needs, not for a four week spectacular which occurs once every four years.
If Forest have to have a new ground, it should be built for our needs, not for a four week spectacular which occurs once every four years.
earthworm
Jack Burkitt
DanR said:
Of course, a "region" doesn't even have a Capital unless your a Federalist Eurocrat :
DanR
Steve Chettle
earthworm said:Of course, a "region" doesn't even have a Capital unless your a Federalist Eurocrat :
I think Northampton is the capital of the East Midlands anyway. :
Let them have the 2018 World Cup at Sixfields.
incapable hulk
Best served cold
DanR said:
Why do people keep saying this? The only part that wont suit our needs, is the extra capacity above 38,000 which is being removed anyway. They arent building something on the scale of the emirates here. It will be built with the clubs interests at heart- and then it will accomodate the world cup around that. The world cup is just the catalyst to get it built.
Any new ground we have to build in the future at great cost to ourselves, will have to be built to pretty much the same set of specifications anyway.
adamski said:
Indeed, though surely by not taking this opportunity to get a ground on the cheap- you appreciate that in say 5 years time if we're in the prem anyway, we're going to have to build a new ground anyway however funding it completely by ourselves. Meaning it TAKES money out of the club in terms of transfer budgets etc.
Plus, it will cost upwards of £80 million, which will see our club plunged massively back into debt with the hillarious shenanigans that brings. Look at derby/leicester/southampton etc.
Theyve already said redevelopment of the city ground wont work and would be too costly- so thier going to have to move anyways.
Ah well....
Spring Heeled Jack
Spring Heeled Jack
World Cup in Nottingham? I'd rather go swimming round at Michael Barrymore's.
Mark Arthur can shove his unwanted plans right back up his arse.
Mark Arthur can shove his unwanted plans right back up his arse.
Graham
Viv Anderson
Spring Heeled Jack said:
weasel
Grenville Morris
Why would hosting world cup matches mean Nottingham is suddenly not the centre of the East Midlands anyway?
So it would give Leicester/Derby a boost, their grounds would get a lick of paint and the city would be the centre of attention for a good few months. Then what?
Well, not a lot. Certainly not enough for it to be worth whoring ourselves out the some god awful urban expansion, tearing up our precious land and neglecting the s**t areas of the city which need development much more.
exhibit a, meadow lane:
How great would it be if this industrial area was revitalised, flats, bars, a square the lot. It would open up an awesome view between the two grounds, coupled with our new main stand. You could even have a new bridge here somewhere, helping the congestion issues and linking Forest with the rest of the city.
Notts county would surely be up for it as their 'project' takes shape, the waterside would get some long overdue development, you could have the fan park just yards away down the embankment.........
Or we could sod all that sustainable nonsense and just get it all flat-pack from ikea and sprawl further into the countryside, further from the city.
Nonsense. Should have appointed Prince Charles to oversee the bid!
So it would give Leicester/Derby a boost, their grounds would get a lick of paint and the city would be the centre of attention for a good few months. Then what?
Well, not a lot. Certainly not enough for it to be worth whoring ourselves out the some god awful urban expansion, tearing up our precious land and neglecting the s**t areas of the city which need development much more.
exhibit a, meadow lane:
How great would it be if this industrial area was revitalised, flats, bars, a square the lot. It would open up an awesome view between the two grounds, coupled with our new main stand. You could even have a new bridge here somewhere, helping the congestion issues and linking Forest with the rest of the city.
Notts county would surely be up for it as their 'project' takes shape, the waterside would get some long overdue development, you could have the fan park just yards away down the embankment.........
Or we could sod all that sustainable nonsense and just get it all flat-pack from ikea and sprawl further into the countryside, further from the city.
Nonsense. Should have appointed Prince Charles to oversee the bid!
wemaybefamousagain
Banned
The Mekon said:
Indeed, it was a bit of a daft post really. I am pretty sure that Washington DC is not the biggest city in the US!
The difference in population is negligable and English cities are much of a muchness anyway, with the obvious exceptions of London, Brum and Manc.
weasel
Grenville Morris
Famous said:
True.
However I don't think there is an official East Midlands capital is there? So this means Nottingham is the 'capital' based on what it offers, unlike Washington which is offers nothing near New York or LA.
Nottingham will certainly not stop being the 'capital' in this way, just because of the world cup. Even the most open minded, unbiased commentator would struggle to see how Derby could overtake Nottingham in this sense just by hosting some football matches. They won't suddenly acquire a test match venue, a concert area, two high calibre universities etc etc will they.
It's the latest move in an ongoing political game.
Whatever Forest actually want from that game I don't know, but I'm sure Mark Arthur has Forest's best interests at heart.
Whatever Forest actually want from that game I don't know, but I'm sure Mark Arthur has Forest's best interests at heart.
garrilla
Viv Anderson
Let me tell you a little anecdote about development and money and capitals and regionalism and s**t like that.
The centre of Liverpool has just been spanked-up, a brand new super shopping centre was built and became a lynch-pin of a whole host of developments. It took a lot of work to get it off the ground and lot of alignment of policy, strategy and so on to make it work. It was the biggest investment ever by Grovesnor Developments - serious £bns. The Duke of Westminster, Britain's wealthiest man and owner of Grovesnor, was sold by two things.
You'd expect both of them to be fancy strategic initiatives, compulsory buy-up schemes and all of that stuff. But no, when a load of Canadian money came over to meet with civic leaders of 3 towns, they were duly entertained over a buffet lunch by the mayor and other big-wigs. Of course the mayor's wore their chains but only Liverpool Mayor's wife also turned up in a mayoral chain too. This impressed them, and in turn impressed DoW. The other was Liverpool being the 'Capital of Culture.' It meant that when ever the Duke or his team were discussing the deal they could of course talk about Liverpool and the Beatles, but they could also talk about the CoC, somethign positive and grand and on for the future. If newcastle had won the CoC, they would have done the development there.
I tell you this because the WC is more than 4 weeks in 2018. In South Africa, before the games have even commenced, it has added about 2% to GDP. In Britain, over the next two years we will see that Olympics 2012 is a major economic force but most importantly its its a way of making things happen - not the stadium, but the regeneration of East London, which is well under way. The WC in Nottm will do nothing of this scale, but it will add an important energy to the City. And for the club, it will be a way to resolve a lot of the unsustainable and remaining issues with the city Ground.
You are all correct you can't move the history and the emotion. It belongs on the river Trent. But also the club needs a new stadium.
The fans don't want one, not now at least but they will, in the future, 10 years hence, maybe 15 maybe a little bit longer. And this is one of the prime ironies of the modern fan, they claim that the club is nothing without them, which is correct, but they fail to look at the club for what it is and not what it was. This is tragedy in the making.
YOu all claim that a new stadium will be a white elephant, but in fact that is exactly what the City Ground is to the club, its a economically unsustainable asset that no real scope for modernisation or development, both as a peice of infrastructure and also as a site of enterprise.
The WC offers the club a way to resolve some of its issues, bringing a range of partners together to make something work on the back on the teh energy that 2018 will bring.
But I'm certain of of one thing, in my lifetime Forest will move. Personally, I feel that 2018 is the best hope for not getting a mechano stadium.
The centre of Liverpool has just been spanked-up, a brand new super shopping centre was built and became a lynch-pin of a whole host of developments. It took a lot of work to get it off the ground and lot of alignment of policy, strategy and so on to make it work. It was the biggest investment ever by Grovesnor Developments - serious £bns. The Duke of Westminster, Britain's wealthiest man and owner of Grovesnor, was sold by two things.
You'd expect both of them to be fancy strategic initiatives, compulsory buy-up schemes and all of that stuff. But no, when a load of Canadian money came over to meet with civic leaders of 3 towns, they were duly entertained over a buffet lunch by the mayor and other big-wigs. Of course the mayor's wore their chains but only Liverpool Mayor's wife also turned up in a mayoral chain too. This impressed them, and in turn impressed DoW. The other was Liverpool being the 'Capital of Culture.' It meant that when ever the Duke or his team were discussing the deal they could of course talk about Liverpool and the Beatles, but they could also talk about the CoC, somethign positive and grand and on for the future. If newcastle had won the CoC, they would have done the development there.
I tell you this because the WC is more than 4 weeks in 2018. In South Africa, before the games have even commenced, it has added about 2% to GDP. In Britain, over the next two years we will see that Olympics 2012 is a major economic force but most importantly its its a way of making things happen - not the stadium, but the regeneration of East London, which is well under way. The WC in Nottm will do nothing of this scale, but it will add an important energy to the City. And for the club, it will be a way to resolve a lot of the unsustainable and remaining issues with the city Ground.
You are all correct you can't move the history and the emotion. It belongs on the river Trent. But also the club needs a new stadium.
The fans don't want one, not now at least but they will, in the future, 10 years hence, maybe 15 maybe a little bit longer. And this is one of the prime ironies of the modern fan, they claim that the club is nothing without them, which is correct, but they fail to look at the club for what it is and not what it was. This is tragedy in the making.
YOu all claim that a new stadium will be a white elephant, but in fact that is exactly what the City Ground is to the club, its a economically unsustainable asset that no real scope for modernisation or development, both as a peice of infrastructure and also as a site of enterprise.
The WC offers the club a way to resolve some of its issues, bringing a range of partners together to make something work on the back on the teh energy that 2018 will bring.
But I'm certain of of one thing, in my lifetime Forest will move. Personally, I feel that 2018 is the best hope for not getting a mechano stadium.
weasel
Grenville Morris
garrilla said:
You make a very good argument for relocation, however I still refuse to back a move which I think is a bad one, however good the timing and however good the opportunity. If it's not right for Forest, all the rest of it goes out of the window I'm afraid.
You don't mention anywhere the fact that this new ground is proposed for greenbelt land. I could write chapters on why I don't agree with it, and why we need to stop capitulating to the money men whenever the want a new Tescos, or in this case football and housing development. Enough is enough, the greenbelt is there for precisely this reason and frankly the principle of this outweighs even the importance of Forest having a decent ground at all.
garrilla
Viv Anderson
The two key power houses of the 21st century economy in England, Cambridge and Oxford, are being throttled by our silly green-belt laws. So, actually I could argue with you for days about releasing greenbelt land, but I can't be arsed.
weasel
Grenville Morris
garrilla said:
Well good, because I'm not interested in Oxford or Cambridge, I'm interested in the city of Nottingham
I'm sure you know much more about economics than me, but I certainly wouldn't have though it would be any great detriment to our economy if these developers invested their money in the actual city before they looked to extend it any further.
There are lots of run down, brown field sites in the city that need investment. There are lots of existing businesses and pubs that would be f***ing ecstatic if 1,000 new homes or a football ground moved in next door to boost their trade. This is why it annoys me so much when these places are ignored and developers just look for a blank canvas.
weasel
Grenville Morris
And finally everyone, if it's so categoric that we will need to leave the City Ground in the next 10-15 years, how long is it before Blackburn need to leave Ewood Park, may I ask?
jasons-pineapple
First Team Squad
garrilla said:
My desire, is always to be here, but my mind agrees with you
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Daniel
Guest
Fantastic post and absolutely nail on head!!!garrilla said:
garrilla
Viv Anderson
weasel said:
;D
Its a pile bag that stadium, but Rovers have the good fortune of being able to develop it and they are currently looking to develop the Riverside stand into a modern complex: offices, gym and stuff. Importantly, the ground has uses outside of the game.
It already has conference and banqueting facilities and makes money for the club when its not being used for its prime purpose. It also holds some music stuff and the odd rugby game. Its not a great conference centre, but its OK - I was there about 3 weeks ago for a conference on teh economics of regional tourism [yawn!] - and the council and various local organisations regularly use it has a training venues.
I specialise in the economic developmenent of the Northwest, so you were unlucky with Ewood Park. Pick a stadium like Carrow Road or Portman Road because I know f*** all about them.