Strike

[Jacko_w]

Sorry if this is in the wrong section and please move it if it is, but with us playing Barnsley and the rivalry with the strike still obviously there I just wondered what peoples memories/views are of the strike? Im 22 so was just born after the strike. My dad and family live(d) in a mining village called Warsop which is in Nottinghamshire but is near to Shirebrook which is on the derbyshire border. All of my family (Grandad, 2x Uncles and dad) striked so I have been brought up to hate thatcher ect. All of them are Forest fans, where there in both European cup finals and continue to go today (my dad has a season ticket with me). Alot of miners from our village now support Wednesday and have turned their backs on Forest. My grandad told me that cloughy was generous to the police at the time and let them in for free (I dont know if this is true). My dad has a plaque at home from the union stating he stiked and (jokingly i hope) recons he is taking it to Barnsley with him, so if confronted he can tell them that he stiked lol. Anyways, it really afected my family at the time, so just thought it would be nice if people could share there experiences on here as i would like to learn more about it .....

 

[Tutts]

Oh God.......

Batten down the hatches, I feel another 32 page thread coming on.....

 

[garibaldi]

Sorry if this is in the wrong section and please move it if it is, but with us playing Barnsley and the rivalry with the strike still obviously there I just wondered what peoples memories/views are of the strike? Im 22 so was just born after the strike. My dad and family live(d) in a mining village called Warsop which is in Nottinghamshire but is near to Shirebrook which is on the derbyshire border. All of my family (Grandad, 2x Uncles and dad) striked so I have been brought up to hate thatcher ect. All of them are Forest fans, where there in both European cup finals and continue to go today (my dad has a season ticket with me). Alot of miners from our village now support Wednesday and have turned their backs on Forest. My grandad told me that cloughy was generous to the police at the time and let them in for free (I dont know if this is true). My dad has a plaque at home from the union stating he stiked and (jokingly i hope) recons he is taking it to Barnsley with him, so if confronted he can tell them that he stiked lol. Anyways, it really afected my family at the time, so just thought it would be nice if people could share there experiences on here as i would like to learn more about it .....

What the f***!! :blink:

 

[Eastwood Red]

What the f**k!! :blink:

My reaction also, it does seem very strange doesn't it

 

[sedgred]

I voted for Margret Thatcher prior to the strike and admired the way she led the country through it.

I voted for her after the strike as well, taken until this band of fools in power to bring the country to it's knees again.

 

[Snorlax]

None of my Family have ever been miners, so I don't give a toss :-*

 

[EpicLulz]

In other news today, man has landed on the moon.

 

[winnits]

Sorry if this is in the wrong section and please move it if it is, but with us playing Barnsley and the rivalry with the strike still obviously there I just wondered what peoples memories/views are of the strike? Im 22 so was just born after the strike. My dad and family live(d) in a mining village called Warsop which is in Nottinghamshire but is near to Shirebrook which is on the derbyshire border. All of my family (Grandad, 2x Uncles and dad) striked so I have been brought up to hate thatcher ect. All of them are Forest fans, where there in both European cup finals and continue to go today (my dad has a season ticket with me). Alot of miners from our village now support Wednesday and have turned their backs on Forest. My grandad told me that cloughy was generous to the police at the time and let them in for free (I dont know if this is true). My dad has a plaque at home from the union stating he stiked and (jokingly i hope) recons he is taking it to Barnsley with him, so if confronted he can tell them that he stiked lol. Anyways, it really afected my family at the time, so just thought it would be nice if people could share there experiences on here as i would like to learn more about it .....

I'm sure Clough marched with the miners!!

 

[stany]

Sorry if this is in the wrong section and please move it if it is, but with us playing Barnsley and the rivalry with the strike still obviously there I just wondered what peoples memories/views are of the strike? Im 22 so was just born after the strike. My dad and family live(d) in a mining village called Warsop which is in Nottinghamshire but is near to Shirebrook which is on the derbyshire border. All of my family (Grandad, 2x Uncles and dad) striked so I have been brought up to hate thatcher ect. All of them are Forest fans, where there in both European cup finals and continue to go today (my dad has a season ticket with me). Alot of miners from our village now support Wednesday and have turned their backs on Forest. My grandad told me that cloughy was generous to the police at the time and let them in for free (I dont know if this is true). My dad has a plaque at home from the union stating he stiked and (jokingly i hope) recons he is taking it to Barnsley with him, so if confronted he can tell them that he stiked lol. Anyways, it really afected my family at the time, so just thought it would be nice if people could share there experiences on here as i would like to learn more about it .....

 

[Annesley Red]

ex Miner
I hate Thatcher, Portillo and Haseltine more than Derby
Remember a lot of Nott Miners went on strike
But it should be kept out of football but the chants are water off a ducks back nowadays.

You never hear Yorkshire clubs singing
"We are the champions"
or "Champions of Europe"

nuff said to end this thread

 

[Billy Hunt]

I'm sure Clough marched with the miners!!

He did - there is a picture of it in his autobiography ('Walking on Water')

 

[weasel]

Bugger me, whats with all the hostility? The lad, like me is from the same neck of the woods and is clearly interested in what went on all those years ago, especially when its difficult to escape it on visits to places like Barnsley.

Oh no, another long thread coming up! If you're not arsed then don't post, what's the problem? People can talk about what they boody well like

 

[Senior Flange Technician]

scargill had his own agenda, many people saw it as a way to bring thatcher down, they didn't put it up for a vote cos they though it would be easy to get everyone on side, nottingham miners were better off financially ie pension etc then those up north so a lot of northerners/welsh/irish came to work in notts as it was seen as a safe bet, we had plenty more coal reserves than yorkshite, if they had put it to a vote and it went through more people (not all) would have gone out because it meant they would have an income, with no vote taking place the strikes were illegal, and the strikers not being covered had to live hand to mouth. all the miners were was a pawn in a game between a right wing/of centre prime minister and a socialist, no one won and it tore communities even families to shreds.
if the shoe would have been on the other foot ie yorkshire was safe would they have gone out with no vote taking place? i think not
however it was 20 odd years ago

 

[yam]

Clough was a comitted socialist, I couldn't see him doing anything to support a conservative government.

Found this article - http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-and-scourge-of-the-fa-dies-at-69-547085.html

"Political correctness was not his strongest suit, although he was a socialist and marched in support of the miners' strike in 1984. During a bitter industrial dispute at the Nottingham Evening Post, he refused to speak to "scab" reporters."

There's been quite a few threads on this in the down the pub section.  This is the more recent one although there was a more extensive discussion months ago (can't be arsed to look for that one)

http://www.forestforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=32202.0

Can't see the point in going over it again.

 

[Jacko_w]

Bugger me, whats with all the hostility? The lad, like me is from the same neck of the woods and is clearly interested in what went on all those years ago, especially when its difficult to escape it on visits to places like Barnsley.

Oh no, another long thread coming up! If you're not arsed then don't post, what's the problem? People can talk about what they boody well like

Thanks for that mate

 

[Roonaldo]

nottingham miners were better off financially ie pension etc then those up north so a lot of northerners/welsh/irish came to work in notts as it was seen as a safe bet,

What the feck has it got to do with the Irish? We dug up roads in the 80's, not your coal.

Anyways, for the benefit of the original poster, my Uncle was a scab and his young family were virtually tortured out of their south notts home by Scragill's undemocratic rabble.

Scargill's ego, and his hatred for Maggie Thatcher, was more important to him than your Dad/Uncle & Grandad's jobs.

What is more inexcusable is that a few months into the strike, Maggie was willing to agree to 95 per cent of the NUM's demands. Scargill didn't give a shit, and would settle for nothing less than all-out victory. Had he been prepared to compromise, accepting that some loss-making mines would have to close, Britain, which now imports the great bulk of its coal from Russia, South Africa and Australia, would probably still have a thriving coal industry.

Ignore the socialist propaganda. It was Scargill and his loony lefty mates who let your family down by going about things the wrong way in a democratic society, not decent family men like my Uncle.

By the way, deserting Forest for Wednesday is ridiculous, but then given the ridiculous (and misdirected) bitterness of so many ex-miners, I suppose it adds up.

The Owls are welcome to them.

 

[dellaroc]

What the feck has it got to do with the Irish? We dug up roads in the 80's, not your coal.

Anyways, for the benefit of the original poster, my Uncle was a scab and his young family were virtually tortured out of their south notts home by Scragill's undemocratic rabble.

Scargill's ego, and his hatred for Maggie Thatcher, was more important to him than your Dad/Uncle & Grandad's jobs.

What is more inexcusable is that a few months into the strike, Maggie was willing to agree to 95 per cent of the NUM's demands. Scargill didn't give a s**t, and would settle for nothing less than all-out victory. Had he been prepared to compromise, accepting that some loss-making mines would have to close, Britain, which now imports the great bulk of its coal from Russia, South Africa and Australia, would probably still have a thriving coal industry.

Ignore the socialist propaganda. It was Scargill and his loony lefty mates who let your family down by going about things the wrong way in a democratic society, not decent family men like my Uncle.

By the way, deserting Forest for Wednesday is ridiculous, but then given the ridiculous (and misdirected) bitterness of so many ex-miners, I suppose it adds up.

The Owls are welcome to them.

Hilarious from start to finish, though totally undeserving of the dignity of a response.

 

[Roonaldo]

Hilarious from start to finish, though totally undeserving of the dignity of a response.

Then why respond?

 

[dellaroc]

Presumably my uncles who went on strike (who are also Irish, by the way) weren't "decent family men"??

 

[cmw]

Scargill may have gone about it the wrong way but in the end he was right.
My family weren't scabs and if you're young enough not to remember you really shouldn't be singing 'the scabs are 1-0 up' etc because you really don't know what you're saying.
All the right wingers on here saying he was wrong will be proved wrong in the not to distant future when the mines are opened again at a cost of billions to us all, but atleast her pals got richer off the back of it with the privatised utilitlies hey!

 

[weasel]

Presumably my uncles who went on strike (who are also Irish, by the way) weren't "decent family men"??

I think that's clearly an incorrect presumption. If anything I think the guy meant his lot were decent family men also

 

[Roonaldo]

I think that's clearly an incorrect presumption. If anything I think the guy meant his lot were decent family men also

It certainly is incorrect. I have no reason to doubt that said Irish Uncle's were/are decent family men.

I was simply commenting that my Uncle didn't deserve the venomous hatred thrown his way for simply making a democratic choice on what he thought was the best thing to do for his family at the time.

I have no time at all for morans who chant 'Scab' at Forest fans because:

a) they don't support Forest
b) their blind hatred is misdirected, and should actually be aimed at champagne socialist Scargill and his coherts.

 

[Senior Flange Technician]

i know two irish miners who scabbed, i can delete the irish bit if it bothers you so much

 

[yam]

Scargill may have gone about it the wrong way but in the end he was right.
My family weren't scabs and if you're young enough not to remember you really shouldn't be singing 'the scabs are 1-0 up' etc because you really don't know what you're saying.
All the right wingers on here saying he was wrong will be proved wrong in the not to distant future when the mines are opened again at a cost of billions to us all, but atleast her pals got richer off the back of it with the privatised utilitlies hey!

Surely not! :sarcastic:

Just like when the shitty mark 1 SA80 was rushed into service when RSAF Enfield needed to look busy when ROF were being privatised.

 

[Roonaldo]

i know two irish miners who scabbed, i can delete the irish bit if it bothers you so much

No, the Irish bit is fine. Just replace 'scabbed' with 'did what they considered to be right for them and their families'.