uredsuns
Rice 13
how if Paul Smith had made the mistakes that Turner had done today, folk would be asking for his testicles on a stick.
Strange.............
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Rhods
Rhods
uredsuns said:
I'd prefer a meat pie.
Baronvon
John Robertson
Turner put in another incredibly mixed performance...on one hand he made some good saves with one in particular being especially impressive as he held on to a low shot in the second half.
Yet on the other hand he made some incredibly rash decisions and was at fault for both of their goals. Almost gifted them another whilst nearly killing Lynch in the process and got nowhere near around 50% of the crosses he came for. In fact he provided a perfect example as to just why Smith's approach to dealing with crosses into the area is actually pretty sound despite what some would tell you.
I sensed some were beginning to lose patience with him after he scuffed a kick straight to a Bristol player but it was nothing like the stick Smith used to get for hitting the odd kick out of play.
That said I don't think BD will drop him so I just hope he gets his composure back for Monday. Chances are he'll be busy...
Yet on the other hand he made some incredibly rash decisions and was at fault for both of their goals. Almost gifted them another whilst nearly killing Lynch in the process and got nowhere near around 50% of the crosses he came for. In fact he provided a perfect example as to just why Smith's approach to dealing with crosses into the area is actually pretty sound despite what some would tell you.
I sensed some were beginning to lose patience with him after he scuffed a kick straight to a Bristol player but it was nothing like the stick Smith used to get for hitting the odd kick out of play.
That said I don't think BD will drop him so I just hope he gets his composure back for Monday. Chances are he'll be busy...
Rhods
Rhods
His kicking is bordering on aimless. He's young and inexperienced. He was clearly pressured to come off his line to win balls that he had no right to be claiming. The sensible balls that he came for he did a very good job of collecting. He made a couple of very good saves to keep us in the game. He doesn't give anywhere near as much care and attention to his towel and water bottle that Paul Smith does.
For that last reason alone I feel that he should be dropped and thrown into The Trent.
For that last reason alone I feel that he should be dropped and thrown into The Trent.
ianfontaine
Youth Team
I think the problems with Smith are alot to do with confidence where as Turners might just be thathe isnt that great.
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clusternakker
Guest
He made a couple of decent stops, his punching was good. He looked slow and lacking any urgency especially when ambling towards adebola and attempting a save but collecting Lynch instead, his kicking was woeful but when he did properly connect with it at least it went clear of our half.
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Daniel
Guest
well, before you all slag the keeper off you may not know he was ill before the game. Apparantly Billy said so in an interview on the radio.
Dan said:
Granted he did so we can sympathise with him a little bit.
However, for me he wasn't overly different to how he was against Barnsley and Wolves. Some bad decision making in terms of whether to come for the ball or not. We were so lucky to get 3 points today and we conceded 2 daft goals because of keeper decision errors. If he was ill he shouldn't have been playing. End of. There is no point in saying "thanks for trying" because at the end of the day Turner has asked to be played regardless.
What I did find a bit bizarre today was that usually he is very unwilling to come for a cross and collect a ball however, today he just seemed like he couldn't help himself!
ThePatriot
First Team Squad
I'd be tempted to bring Smith back for the Blunts game. He can be an hero in big games and he focus's after being dropped.
If Turner is ill it makes sense.
If Turner is ill it makes sense.
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clusternakker
Guest
Dan said:
Then its pretty obvious he shouldnt have been playing
Deforest
Viv Anderson
cmw said:
Some basic maths for you-
If Turner had stayed on his line we wouldn't have conceeded the second goal, he would've caught the ball. :nowink:
Nick.
Once known as Nick.Doyle.nffc on 'ere.
Have to agree with you, we've had this sort of conversation before.uredsuns said:
I guess, Turner is still been given a chance from us, but I still do like Smith, and want him to be number 1.
I don't mind Turner, but there is somethings Turner can't do Smith can. And there's things Turner can do, and Smith can't by a little bit.
I don't want to slag Turner off, as he had a good game vs Barnsley... but, any more mistakes, it could cost us.
puds1970
Steve Chettle
I agree with the original poster, Turner was poor, and I personally don't give a monkey whether it's Smith, Camp Turner or Hooch a bad display is a bad display and many more like that and he will get a thumbs down from me.
Two wrongs don't make a right though, and there are good keepers out there.
Two wrongs don't make a right though, and there are good keepers out there.
A poor performance yesterday, fortunately it didn't cost us. I doubt BD will change things for tomorrow's game as we've finally got some consistency in the back 5, something he's wanted since he first came to the club. I'll give Turner the benefit of the doubt, BD reckons he's been ill this week, and any player would make themselves available if possible. Here's hoping he can keep a clean sheet against the Blunts!
Rhods
Rhods
cmw said:
Some basic maths for you-
If Turner came out for say 10 balls and cleared or collected only half, that's 5 golden opportunities for the opposition to score into an empty net.
Of those Smith would have come out for the two or three easier ones and stayed on his line to deal with the rest.
Either way we will rely on our defenders to (1)stop crosses coming into the box and (2)heading the majority of them clear. The reason we have let so many in from crosses this season is because of sloppy defensive mistakes.
cmw said:
That might be the stupidist thing I've ever read on here. How is a keeper who makes a mess of over 50% of crosses better than one that makes good descisions.
The 1st goal we conceeded. I have seen Smith catch hundreds of those types of crosses. The second would have been better dealt with by staying on the line and catching it.
Turner has the same strengths and weaknesses as Smith but his weaknesses are far weaker and he is not as good a shot stopper.
A waste of a loan position.
Turner didn't have a totally bad game yet the bloopers he did make were big ones and could easily have cost us the points.
I understand that Turner had a virus yet if he wasn't fully fit then he simply shouldn't have been played although why a virus would affect the daft decisions to come of your line at the wrong moments I don't know. We had a perfectly suitable alternative sitting on the bench.
However, we won the game and we took the points so the rest is immaterial now.
I understand that Turner had a virus yet if he wasn't fully fit then he simply shouldn't have been played although why a virus would affect the daft decisions to come of your line at the wrong moments I don't know. We had a perfectly suitable alternative sitting on the bench.
However, we won the game and we took the points so the rest is immaterial now.
Baronvon
John Robertson
Clifford said:
That's my main issue, I've seen all three matches he's played in so far and he's not really any improvement on Smith and, at least as things stand now, appears to be weaker.
All our other loanees are obvious improvements on what we have, this one seems like a bit of a waste.
Davies will keep faith with him though so here's hoping he's back on form tomorrow.
Ravi
Upper Decker
Baronvon said:
Are you serious?!!
I'm glad BD seems to see it differently - he obviously rates an unwell Turner above Smith.
Turner had a mare yesterday for the goals, but i still prefer the way he comes off his line and commands the defence. Turner made mistakes in ONE game (he also made one excellent save when it was 0-1) - Smith was consistently not good enough for much of the season.
Smith is history - let it go now...
Baronvon said:
I share your concerns and wonder if the appointment of Turner was little other than a knee jerk reaction to a poor Smith performance and a building panic that things in all areas were going very pear shaped.
I appreciate that we need a real strong keeper ( a la Shilton ) who has the ability to lead from the back and guard the holy grail with his life and I'm beginning to question whether either is the right man for the job next season.
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clusternakker
Guest
Ravi said:
Turner has made mistakes in all of the games, the 1st half against barnsley he had a complete mare
Baronvon
John Robertson
Ravi said:
Yeah I'm serious...though unlike you I'm not so glad that Davies chose an unwell Turner above Smith yesterday. It very nearly cost us big time.
He did make a couple of good saves, in fact I'd say the one in the second half where he did excellently to hold onto a low skidding shot (especially in those conditions) was better than the rather comfortable on in the first half where he turned away a header. But all his good work could have well have counted for nought yesterday as his decision making was unnervingly rash. He did make a couple of very good punches but there were just as many that he didn't get near to.
Though having said that it's become obvious that as long as the keeper comes for crosses some fans will see this as "commanding his area", regardless of whether he gets there or not.