Stefan Ortega Moreno

[Captain Sinister]

Now that would be interesting to see!
Would that be illegal?

I doubt the Laws of the Game actually cover such a tactic.
If Arteta is reading this, I expect to see your lads try it out this weekend
Your lot have pushed the boundaries at corners and set pieces way beyond what is sportsmanlike.

 

[vertigored]

I believe....and don't quote me on this...it's 4.
Manchester United in the 00-01 season (Barthez 30, Van Der Gouw 5, Goram 2, Rachubka 1)

Cool, so ortega will draw us level… all we need is a surprise appearance for a youth teamer and we’d have the record ourselves!

 

[Apollo11]

Cool, so ortega will draw us level… all we need is a surprise appearance for a youth teamer and we’d have the record ourselves!

Why did you quote Congo?

 

[Bing Crosby's Head]

I believe....and don't quote me on this...it's 4.
Manchester United in the 00-01 season (Barthez 30, Van Der Gouw 5, Goram 2, Rachubka 1)

We had 4 the season we got promoted under Dave Bassett, although that includes Fettis, who only played in the League Cup, and Steve Chettle

 

[vertigored]

Why did you quote Congo?

I make it a rule to never quote anyone.. ever. It’s a code I live by. Some call me crazy but it’s just how I roll.

 

[king_congo_red]

We had 4 the season we got promoted under Dave Bassett, although that includes Fettis, who only played in the League Cup, and Steve Chettle

I probably should have caveated that I was only looking at Premier League games.
Sure there's some teams back in history that have used way more than that across all competitions in a season.

 

[Strummer]

I believe....and don't quote me on this...it's 4.
Manchester United in the 00-01 season (Barthez 30, Van Der Gouw 5, Goram 2, Rachubka 1)

One could - quite cruelly - make an argument that this should actually be a total of five, given Andy Goram‘s experience with a form of schizophrenia, leading to the heartless chants of „Two Andy Gorams! There’s only Two Andy Gorams!“ at him.

 

[Notcher]

Now that would be interesting to see!
Would that be illegal?

I doubt the Laws of the Game actually cover such a tactic.
If Arteta is reading this, I expect to see your lads try it out this weekend
Your lot have pushed the boundaries at corners and set pieces way beyond what is sportsmanlike.

I mentioned on here something similar when I was talking about sides getting the goalkeeper to push their own defender into a forward to clear space for the keeper. Currently you can get away with that.

In terms of using a teammates back or using shorts to hoist a player up, this is specifically mentioned in the laws of the game and is not allowed. It falls under unsporting behaviour and a yellow card offence.

 

[Apollo11]

I make it a rule to never quote anyone.. ever. It’s a code I live by. Some call me crazy but it’s just how I roll.

Well played Vertigo, well played.

 

[Captain Sinister]

I mentioned on here something similar when I was talking about sides getting the goalkeeper to push their own defender into a forward to clear space for the keeper. Currently you can get away with that.

In terms of using a teammates back or using shorts to hoist a player up, this is specifically mentioned in the laws of the game and is not allowed. It falls under unsporting behaviour and a yellow card offence.

I obviously need to re-read the laws!
Mind you, with so many breaches of the Laws going unpunished by referees (I'm thinking, every bloody corner kick, 75% of throwins being foul throws, shamming, time wasting etc etc) that Arteta will probably deploy the assisted lift tactic to see if his team can get away with it...

 

[Statto]

We had 4 the season we got promoted under Dave Bassett, although that includes Fettis, who only played in the League Cup, and Steve Chettle

We certainly still had Crossley, but he had missed the end of the season due to injury, didn't play for us at all, and got loaned to Millwall. I think he only got his place back after the nine goal thriller in the next relegation season.

Pascolo started the season, as they got him in to be the first choice, played the first two then missed two more as I think he was also injured, then played the City game (which seemed to be the deciding point that an international GK was not good enough for us in the 2nd division) and so Beasant was first choice for the rest of the season (who had initially come in on loan and played the 3rd and 4th games which Pascolo missed) and other than that City game only missed the matches with Wolves and Stockport, which Pascolo played, so it looks like Beasant and Pascolo played the league matches between them (apart from the time where Chettle went in goal when Beasant was sent off, but that red card was rescinded so he wasn't suspended).

Fettis had played the end of the season but had left early enough to be Blackburn's sub keeper for their match v Leeds in September. The league cup matches were Pascolo (Doncaster, Fettis played the 2nd leg) and Beasant (Walsall). We only played 1 FA Cup match, losing 4-1 to Charlton, which Beasant played.

So looks like only 2 played in the league that season.

Worth adding that we have currently used 3 keepers this season (Sels, Victor, Gunn) which is the same as in 3 of our previous 4 seasons - first time Henderson, Navas, Hennessey, and the 2nd season was Turner, Vlachodimos and Sels. I think last season Sels played all the league games.

98/99 I think Beasant played all the first matches until the Man Utd game when Crossley took over for the rest of the season. And apart from Crossley missing the end of the 96/7 season (plus the red card suspension from Chesterfield), he had played all our matches in 94/5 and 95/6.

 

[king_congo_red]

I obviously need to re-read the laws!

So do most of our referees to be fair.
The only seem to remember the commonly broken ones, plus whatever is current flavour of the week because one of the big-six got butt-hurt about it in their last game.

 

[incident]

Worth adding that we have currently used 3 keepers this season (Sels, Victor, Gunn) which is the same as in 3 of our previous 4 seasons - first time Henderson, Navas, Hennessey, and the 2nd season was Turner, Vlachodimos and Sels. I think last season Sels played all the league games.

Given that we're about to hit 4 for this season - I never again want to hear anyone come out with the bullshit ideas that "using a squad space on a third keeper is a waste, they never play, might as well have an untested kid".

With Sels and Victor both getting injured within a couple weeks of each other, we're lucky that it happened in the transfer window and Ortega was available. If the same thing had occurred a month later, we could plausibly be seeing out the season with Gunn in goal and Bott or Campbell on the bench.

 

[Captain Sinister]

So do most of our referees to be fair.
The only seem to remember the commonly broken ones, plus whatever is current flavour of the week because one of the big-six got butt-hurt about it in their last game.

I see Man Shitty want the Laws to be changed so that Marc Guehi can be allowed to play in the final of the Carabao cup, despite being cup-tied and being purchased after the semi-final first leg.
The EFL is expected to reject the request... until Sheik Mansour applies political and economic pressure on the UK government.

 

[king_congo_red]

If the same thing had occurred a month later, we could plausibly be seeing out the season with Gunn in goal and Bott or Campbell on the bench.

Isn't there the emergency loan rule with regards to Keepers though? Presumably we'd have got someone in even if the window had shut.

 

[Captain Sinister]

Isn't there the emergency loan rule with regards to Keepers though? Presumably we'd have got someone in even if the window had shut.

That's true, but can you imagine what sort of keeper we woud get?
OK - we did get Keyler Navas on loan from PSGback in 2023, but I think that is the exception that proves the rule.
We'd probably get Wally Foot, Neasden United's one legged net-minder.

 

[JustARed]

There's been a tactic which some of the more switched on clubs are using and I've seen it coming through at Academies. The defending team have been placing a defender between the goalkeeper and the attacking player, the goalkeeper then shoves his defender out of the way and consequently that pushes the attacker out of the way to clear space for the keeper. The foul isn't being given because the keeper has shoved his own player and the defender hasn't caused a foul.

I'm surprised that more teams aren't doing it as it's proved very effective when I've seen it.

Whilst they went on to lose, I respected Rosenior’s play against Arsenal. As the Arsenal player was getting ready to take the corner, 3 Chelsea players ran out of the box, causing panic for the Arsenal players.
Whilst it represented a huge risk to defending to be 3 players down, Arsenal had to assume if the ball was cleared that Chelsea would have the overload, so brought players out of the box to cover it.
I like the idea of people pissing off Arsenal and their “magical” set piece deliveries

 

[Statto]

Given that we're about to hit 4 for this season - I never again want to hear anyone come out with the bullshit ideas that "using a squad space on a third keeper is a waste, they never play, might as well have an untested kid".

With Sels and Victor both getting injured within a couple weeks of each other, we're lucky that it happened in the transfer window and Ortega was available. If the same thing had occurred a month later, we could plausibly be seeing out the season with Gunn in goal and Bott or Campbell on the bench.

There is special dispensation for keepers. I think if something like Sels was out for the season now and we hadn't brought in Ortega with JV also being out we would be down to Gunn as first choice but they'd let us bring a keeper in on loan as Bott etc haven't really played. Though I did note the season Newcastle loaned Darlow to us the league still counted him as theirs when their keepers were all out and didn't allow an emergency loan, so they did indeed have to play kids, because he couldn't be recalled. Silly really. But we're not in that situation.

It's still rare that the third choice gets used even at this level. If we look at our seasons where we have used multiple keepers
22/3 - Hendo came in as first choice and generally was until he got injured, likewise Navas once he had come in, Hennessey played in the gap period when Hendo was out and before Navas came, also when Hendo couldn't play vs Utd, was basically 2nd choice keeper as Navas replaced Hendo as first choice. So whilst we did use 3 keepers, we didn't use a third choice.
23/4 - We presumably brought both Turner and Vlachodimos in during the window to compete as first choice, Turner came in first and so he started the season, when he looked decidedly number two, he was dropped for Vlachodimos, who looked even more number two, so Turner got his place back. Then we brought in Sels so all of our keepers basically played as first choice and none of them was effectively the third choice keeper.
This season - Sels definitely first choice, JV got some matches when Sels was injured, then got injured himself. Sels comes back and JV is still out so Gunn is the back up. Sels has to come off last week and Ortega wasn't signed in time/in the squad so Gunn plays the 2nd half. But Dyche is still saying there is a chance he will play tomorrow. If not we'll probably play Ortega, so Gunn would effectively be back to 3rd keeper.

I am not sure if, say, we had registered another outfielder instead of Gunn in the summer, and then Sels and Victor had got injured before the window opened, whether they would allow us to play Gunn or whether we'd have to bring in an emergency loan, but they wouldn't let us not have a senior keeper.

 

[Strummer]

That's true, but can you imagine what sort of keeper we woud get?
OK - we did get Keyler Navas on loan from PSGback in 2023, but I think that is the exception that proves the rule.
We'd probably get Wally Foot, Neasden United's one legged net-minder.

Nah, Forest would get Billy „The Fish“ Thompson, which would be highly entertaining, especially if he brought Brown Fox with him.

Although my favourite was when Tommy Brown was replaced by Adolf Hitler, of course.

I mean, this forum already has @Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD. so what more do you want?

 

[incident]

Isn't there the emergency loan rule with regards to Keepers though? Presumably we'd have got someone in even if the window had shut.

It's not an automatic thing, we'd have to prove it was genuinely exceptional circumstances and apply for permission to the PL board.

Who would likely take a look at the badge, and determine that we're not from Liverpool, Manchester, or London and therefore not eligible.

 

[Bing Crosby's Head]

I probably should have caveated that I was only looking at Premier League games.
Sure there's some teams back in history that have used way more than that across all competitions in a season.

I know. It was only so I could get Steve Chettle as a keeper in

 

[Bing Crosby's Head]

It's not an automatic thing, we'd have to prove it was genuinely exceptional circumstances and apply for permission to the PL board.

Who would likely take a look at the badge, and determine that we're not from Liverpool, Manchester, or London and therefore not eligible.

I'm pretty certain you can only do it if all your senior keepers are unavailable. I'm with you on the third keeper - why increase the risk that you have to have someone come in who has not worked with your defence if you don't have to?

 

[king_congo_red]

It's not an automatic thing, we'd have to prove it was genuinely exceptional circumstances and apply for permission to the PL board.

There is precedence for it though:-

In 2010, Manchester City received special dispensation to sign goalkeeper Marton Fulop on loan after Shay Given and Stuart Taylor were both injured.

Although as you say. We're not the right badge so the PL board would probably be like...

 

[vertigored]

There is precedence for it though:-

In 2010, Manchester City received special dispensation to sign goalkeeper Marton Fulop on loan after Shay Given and Stuart Taylor were both injured.

I believe we were once linked with Marton’s brother…. Phillipe

 

[king_congo_red]

I believe we were once linked with Marton’s brother…. Phillipe

We've had our fair share of big money Fulops.