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Timothy Pope

Timothy Pope

Just another roll of the Dyche
I don’t get this ‘not interfering with play’ shit. If a defender is stood by the corner flag and an attacker scores from the edge of the box. Should the goal be disallowed as the defender isn’t interfering with play?
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Timothy Pope said:
I don’t get this ‘not interfering with play’ shit. If a defender is stood by the corner flag and an attacker scores from the edge of the box. Should the goal be disallowed as the defender isn’t interfering with play?
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I thought a major argument for VAR was that with “offside” it was a simple mutually exclusive decision: a player either was or wasn’t offside.
It seems it isn’t like that, and a player might be offside, depending on the club badge.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Es gibt nur einen
LTLF Minion
As a great man once said: „If you’re not interfering with play, you shouldn’t be on the pitch!“
 
MaxiRobriguez

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Strummer

Strummer

Es gibt nur einen
LTLF Minion
MaxiRobriguez said:
www.skysports.com

Ref Watch: Did Chris Wood interfere enough for Nikola Milenkovic's goal to be disallowed against Southampton?

Dermot Gallagher is in agreement with VAR to disallow Nikola Milenkovics goal against Southampton as he believes Chris Wood came from an offside position and impeded the Southampton defenders to challenge for the ball.
www.skysports.com www.skysports.com

Can the PGMOL, being consistent and using their own explanation to disallow this one, explain why they let Liverpool's stand?
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*Checking Club Badge*
 
Border

Border

First Team Squad
Captain Sinister said:
Why did Taylor allow play to continue when the Liverpool defender was laid out by a power-blaster shot straight to his head.
He let Liverpool break away, but when Forest got posession he blew up.
That was very poor - verging on the corrupt.
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They mentioned that on RN. Like they said at the time, a head injury is a head injury it shouldn't depend on who has the ball.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
JonnoSnr said:
It might not have been clear in the ground but Liverpool tried to take the free kick and Gibbs-White just deliberately stuck his leg out to stop it. Clear booking.
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This should be stopped by the Laws stating that a direct free kick should not be taken until the ref blows his whistle to signal it could be taken.
If a team takes a “quick free kick” the ref is unlikely to be aware as to whether it was taken from the correct place, or even whether the ball was stationary at the point of the kick being taken.
The ref needn’t delay blowing the whistle until the offending team is ready.
He just needs to ensure he is ready to see that the ball is stationary, and is in the right spot.
As for kicking the quick free kick to get an opponent booked, this is pure gamesmanship, like diving (which Liverpool were accomplished at), and either both the taker and the blocker are booked, or neither are.
 
JonnoSnr

JonnoSnr

Jack Armstrong
Captain Sinister said:
This should be stopped by the Laws stating that a direct free kick should not be taken until the ref blows his whistle to signal it could be taken.
If a team takes a “quick free kick” the ref is unlikely to be aware as to whether it was taken from the correct place, or even whether the ball was stationary at the point of the kick being taken.
The ref needn’t delay blowing the whistle until the offending team is ready.
He just needs to ensure he is ready to see that the ball is stationary, and is in the right spot.
As for kicking the quick free kick to get an opponent booked, this is pure gamesmanship, like diving (which Liverpool were accomplished at), and either both the taker and the blocker are booked, or neither are.
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It wasnt one of those where the player takes it deliberately early and whacks it into the opposition to get them booked before they've had chance to retreat. The player played a pass and Gibbs-White cut it out by sticking a leg out.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
JonnoSnr said:
It wasnt one of those where the player takes it deliberately early and whacks it into the opposition to get them booked before they've had chance to retreat. The player played a pass and Gibbs-White cut it out by sticking a leg out.
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Under the current Laws, it was a yellow.
My point was the Law in this case is wrong.
 
MaxiRobriguez

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
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I used to think this one was offside, now I know that Ekitike simply wasn't interfering with play.
 
StuartsLeftFoot

StuartsLeftFoot

Youth Team
MaxiRobriguez said:
I notice MOTD didn't even discuss the offside goal. Just said technology worked and moved on.

Funny that.
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Sky Ref Watch were discussing it just now. At least there was a split view there, but it made the whole 'not interfering with play' thing an absolute farce. It's so subjective it makes a mockery of having laws.
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Ian Bowyer
Couple of thoughts. The refs I've heard are split on many of the rules which have been intoduced, muddying the waters about so many controversial decisions. So why don't the refs unite and vote that we return to the simple "Laws of the Game"? Do they actually get a vote about the new rules? I mean, all of them, not just the ref representative on IFAB.

The new system of deciding offside. It's apparently semi-automatic. How can you have semi-automatic? It's either auto or not. If a human has a hand in it, then there is an element of subjectivity, which should, presumably be absent in a fully automated system. Though how the machine determines when the ball leaves the boot using the current framing of the pictures, I wouldn't care to guess.
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Ian Bowyer
JonnoSnr said:
It wasnt one of those where the player takes it deliberately early and whacks it into the opposition to get them booked before they've had chance to retreat. The player played a pass and Gibbs-White cut it out by sticking a leg out.
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Actually, I wasn't upset by this yellow. My pet hate is players lingering after the decision, doing so to stop a quick kick. They should be penalised for not retreating immediately. It's cheating, not within the spirit of the game; unsporting conduct which deserves a yellow. They would soon stop, but that's a law not applied, like foul throws. So when players take other liberties, it's because the refs pick and choose which laws/rules to apply.
 
Flaggers

Flaggers

May not be the best moderator on LTLF, but he's...
LTLF Minion
It also occurs to me that in the CGI still frame there's only 1 Liverpool player whereas there's definitely 2 in the TV still frame.

Are you telling me that (iirc Ekitike) the guy even nearer the goal IS NOT INTERFERING in that scenario?

Of course he is. One or more of our defenders has an eye on him and is altering position according.
 
apondaway

apondaway

Geoff Thomas
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD. said:
I was standing right next to the camera that took that, was certain it was offside.

Couldn't believe that the lino didn't flag after the goal.
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Isn't this where the laws of the game have really destroyed things? Clearly a man is offside (Ekitike) and in the exact area of where the ball goes and is scored from. In what world is a linesman NOT raising his flag? If it's because "VAR will review it" then why are there linesman?
 
adam09

adam09

Bob McKinlay
Yes that part of the law was removed to allow more goals to be scored because... people complained about offsides being given when someone is not really interfering.

That said - Etikike did run towards the ball and interfered with Milenkovic. If we're clutching at straws, it could have been disallowed for that but Milenkovic didn't really go for the ball - again, a more 'astute' side the defender might have jumped up and pretended to have been fouled and triggered some kind of offence. Most of our players are just too nice and naive to do such a thing. Van Dijk tried it the other week, was it at Bournemouth? But it was his own player that bumped him!
 
Templeton

Templeton

Viv Anderson
Flaggers said:
Forest corner at Trent End, ball is kicked into play ,Milenkovic is pulled down on the goal line.

That's a penalty.

Except Taylor and Tierney on VAR.
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That's the one I was most angry with and still am. Blatant foul right in the middle of the goal, there is no the rules should allow it not to be a penalty, it doesn't matter where the ball went at the corner.

Following that logic at set pieces is no different to saying if the ball is down one side of the pitch the fullback on the other side can just go and deck the winger as it's "off the ball". If off the ball fouls are given all the time in normal play they should be given at set pieces. Just another example of how officials have lost total control.
 
R

Redofheaven2

First Team Squad
Gabriel or Saliba di
adam09 said:
Yes that part of the law was removed to allow more goals to be scored because... people complained about offsides being given when someone is not really interfering.

That said - Etikike did run towards the ball and interfered with Milenkovic. If we're clutching at straws, it could have been disallowed for that but Milenkovic didn't really go for the ball - again, a more 'astute' side the defender might have jumped up and pretended to have been fouled and triggered some kind of offence. Most of our players are just too nice and naive to do such a thing. Van Dijk tried it the other week, was it at Bournemouth? But it was his own player that bumped him!
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Gabriel or Saliba did it yesterday and Tottenham had a goal disallowed. There were 2 hands on his back not much force but he went down and got the free kick.
 
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