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GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
So if the corner just passed without incident and the game carried on would we be discussing it today? Of course we wouldn't.

We had a corner in the second half that hit Ndoye last. He was actually stood offside too just to add to the poor decision-making. Now he was stood next to a defender so it wasn't really clear if the ball had hit him or the United player and I would imagine the ref probably guessed again to be honest. Nothing is being made about that on here though weirdly...
It’s really simple. VAR check things in the lead up to the goal. Sometimes they check things that never even look contentious. So when a decision is contentious and they guessed at from 70 yards, why wouldn’t they check it and rule it out? The wrong decision led directly to the goal.

The non corner we got didn’t, just like an offside that doesn’t lead to a goal isn’t checked.

If the ball had gone out and we’d gone up the other end and scored from it they would check it, and that could be a minute earlier.
 

PynchonForest

Stuart Pearce
There used to a website called dropyourgloves.com which was excellent for seeing them, could have a footie equivalent like dropyoursnoodes.com or something like that.
Candidly, watching two footballing pansies get in a fistfight would probably be the funniest shit ever. When you see scrums in a football match they are almost always reminiscent of a grade eight girls fight.
 

JonnoSnr

Geoff Thomas
It’s really simple. VAR check things in the lead up to the goal. Sometimes they check things that never even look contentious. So when a decision is contentious and they guessed at from 70 yards, why wouldn’t they check it and rule it out? The wrong decision led directly to the goal.

The non corner we got didn’t, just like an offside that doesn’t lead to a goal isn’t checked.

If the ball had gone out and we’d gone up the other end and scored from it they would check it, and that could be a minute earlier.
I don't disagree with that, by all means check the corner and disallow if necessary although what I would say is that the best angle available for this incident yesterday isn't great. There's no camera looking straight down the line so once again we're guessing albeit with a better angle than the linesman had. Are we also doing this for free kicks too? And long throws which are basically like a corner now? I thought the idea was that we have less VAR involvement not more...

My point though is that we benefitted from a corner decision that shouldn't have been (possibly two in fact) and that is not mentioned at all on here. Presumably then with your VAR corner check rule had we scored from said corner you'd have been perfectly OK with them checking it and ruling it out because it came off an offside Ndoye? I think we both know the answer to that.
 

valspoodle

Ian Bowyer
They should introduce the same offside rule in to football as they have in ice hockey, would make life easier 🤣
I've thought that for years, but with VAR you'd still have the same bollocks going on, just in a different way. And the ball is so big in comparison, would it be the front of the ball etc.
 

Apollo11

Grenville Morris
I've thought that for years, but with VAR you'd still have the same bollocks going on, just in a different way. And the ball is so big in comparison, would it be the front of the ball etc.

The passing player would need to be in the final "zone" anyway so wouldn't make a difference where the ball is as long as the passer is in the correct place.
 

PynchonForest

Stuart Pearce
No but we've got council flats in Strelley
I don't know what Strelley is but it sounds a great place to live. Btw, off to referee an under 17 boys team where the coach absolutely hates me. Trying to think if I should throw a dig in about finishing outside the medals at national championships last month.
 

Flaggers

May not be the best moderator on LTLF, but he's...
LTLF Minion
For what its worth ,I thought the ball was out. I do tire of "playing the victims" sometimes. Had we been 3-0 up it wouldn't have mattered
It wasn't

We aren't

We weren't and it did.

Apart from that, a terrific post!😅
 

Nedski67

It could be worse …..
Yes, the decision to award a corner was wrong. But the inability to defend a simple corner was worse. And that's what I'm more angry about.

I'm in the Trentside Lounge so had a perfect view and you could see that tthe players wer etotally switched off in preparation for the corner - wasn't surprised in the least that we conceded.

However I was really pleased with the 2nd half response and in previous weeks we would have lost 3-2
 

Red Ray's Redlist

Geoff Thomas
Guardiola kicking off about Boremouth's blatant cheating at corners. And there wasn't even an obvious push, and they went on to win. He'd have had an aneurism if he was in Dyche's shoes.
 

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Guardiola kicking off about Boremouth's blatant cheating at corners. And there wasn't even an obvious push, and they went on to win. He'd have had an aneurism if he was in Dyche's shoes.
He's right though. It was a foul in both instances and the foul should have been significant enough for the goals to be disallowed.

But it's clearly more worthy of discussion when it's someone like Arteta (though they do similar stuff), Pep, Slot, etc as opposed to a team down the bottom or a smaller club.

Bournemouth are doing well but they're very much into these silly little niggles and fouls and stuff.
 

valspoodle

Ian Bowyer
There was a discussion on "Ref Watch" on SSN a week or two ago and the consensus appeared to be that, though we all deplore the silly niggles and petty pushes etc, if you were the manager, you'd tell your players to do it. To disrupt the play at free kicks, to allow your players to fall back into defensive positions; that sort of thing.
 

Strummer

Vorsprung durch Technik
LTLF Minion
There was a discussion on "Ref Watch" on SSN a week or two ago and the consensus appeared to be that, though we all deplore the silly niggles and petty pushes etc, if you were the manager, you'd tell your players to do it. To disrupt the play at free kicks, to allow your players to fall back into defensive positions; that sort of thing.
It’s borderline cheating though VP.

Such shabby activities should not be seen in such a gentleman’s game, and should be better left to undesirables, like the French.
 
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