Standard of Referees

[Red Ray's Redlist]

It's 2 games running we've conceded from incorrectly awarded corners.

Admittedly it is up to us to defend them better, but it is really frustrating.

 

[Rzar]

It's 2 games running we've conceded from incorrectly awarded corners.

Admittedly it is up to us to defend them better, but it is really frustrating.

We should defend better but I don't think it really matters.

It is like the Liverpool drop ball a few seasons ago.

When you are in a bad spot, the opposition shouldn't be given the opportunity to gain momentum from a refereeing mistake. You feel like the whole world is against you, this does not help struggling teams mentally when the opposition is given opportunities to score by the referee.

 

[GOBIAS]

Even talk sport are on our side over this one

 

[Flaggers]

I'm f***ing annoyed.

Why?

Because I missed the PGMOL'S mail-in competition to be a linesman for a day.

I'm sorry but today the BC lino was beyond shockingly incompetent. It crossed into other territory for me.

From where he was stood he was either way out of line or he had 2 posts plus defender and attacker in the way.

He didn't see because he couldn't see

He guessed

Or he did as he had been instructed by his bosses

He missed a number of blatant offsides as well as at least 2 other ball in/out of play.

I appreciate that the Bournemouth one was hard to spot in real time but today was just something else entirely

It's cost us points almost certainly but it won't be classed as a VAR error.

It's a fine line between incompetence and corruption and we got pretty close today

They can all f*** off

And the ref wasn't much better

 

[valspoodle]

I remember a game at Norwich years ago when Dave Beasant stopped the ball going over the goal line on the side away from the lino, but right in front of the Forest fans. No way was the ball over the line and on that occasion as well as all the other imperimenta in the way, there was also the burly Beasant body.

As today, the lino just guessed, wrongly. Why do they do it?

The officiating is getting worse, there is no doubt about it, since VAR came along. And most of the time VAR cannot interfere, so we are left complaining, but with no one to complain to. It's a mess.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Actually think the worst bit was having no idea Hudson-Odoi needed treatment despite booking the Man Utd player for the tackle. Only took the crowd going nuts and Forest refusing to restart play to realise there's something not quite right.

Docile.

 

[Strummer]

I just don't understand why the - so called - "Best League in the World" has to tolerate such shit officiating?

As some may know, I watch an awful lot of Bundesliga games (hey, I live here) and the German officials, although officially amateurs, seem light-years ahead of their British counterparts? I just don't understand, because in theory, the same rules should apply to all officials should they not?

When there is a contentious decision in a German game, which needs to be referred to VAR, the on-field official makes announcement over the microphone when he has reviewed the play and re-entered the pitch, explaining the decision (either where he changes an on-field call in line with the VAR, or where he disagrees with the VAR and sticks with his initial call) - why does the Premier League not do that? Or do they?

Overall, what this seems to lead to is a much greater level of respect for the officials in the German game (and of course, you know where that leads, less player misbehaviour and greater acceptance of what the on-pitch officials are doing). Surely (and don't call me Shirley) the PL should be able to see where they are going wrong here? It is every week, there are contentious decisions that - frankly - ruin games.

Yeah, no system is perfect but the Premier League is its own worst-enemy here.

 

[Flaggers]

I just don't understand why the - so called - "Best League in the World" has to tolerate such shit officiating?

Because it's not shit - it's bent.

Shit officiating doesn't explain the in-game inconsistencies or the inter-game issues.

Corruption explains all of it

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

When there is a contentious decision in a German game, which needs to be referred to VAR, the on-field official makes announcement over the microphone when he has reviewed the play and re-entered the pitch, explaining the decision (either where he changes an on-field call in line with the VAR, or where he disagrees with the VAR and sticks with his initial call) - why does the Premier League not do that? Or do they?

They do.

You get these really contentious hand balls and then after reviewing some VAR footage the ref will explain it's a handball and therefore a penalty, like everyone in the crowd is attending their first ever football game.

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

Because it's not shit - it's bent.

Shit officiating doesn't explain the in-game inconsistencies or the inter-game issues.

Corruption explains all of it

Ocham's razor and all that.

 

[Flaggers]

They do.

You get these really contentious hand balls and then after reviewing some VAR footage the ref will explain it's a handball and therefore a penalty, like everyone in the crowd is attending their first ever football game.

More like refs and VAR are attending their first bastard football match

 

[siforest65]

The corner and penalty decisions where bad but I I’m more pissed at MOTD trying to justify them

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

They didn't try to justify them - they even put together a graphic showing how far away the lino was so that he couldn't have seen the ball go out of play.

 

[nemesiz]

Yesterday's decisions whilst frustrating, annoying and infuriating the officiating errors were understable. Unless Football has a similar process to Cricket whereby the Captain is allowed to appeal to VAR officials for suspected on erronous pitch decisions, teams must accept inaccuracies and inconsistencies. Honestly if you were in the position of the Referee, would you in real time and speed not rule it was a Corner? Yes it was millimetres in play, but that was through multiple replays and slow motion checks. The second VAR decision though is more questionable as a Manchester United appeared to control and direct the ball with their arm but again near impossible for a Referee to notice, and VAR to overrule. It does feel like Forest are getting the rub of the decisions, but unless there is sweeping new VAR powers and legislation the team need to avoid this process in the first place!

 

[Captain Sinister]

Yesterday's decisions whilst frustrating, annoying and infuriating the officiating errors were understable. Unless Football has a similar process to Cricket whereby the Captain is allowed to appeal to VAR officials for suspected on erronous pitch decisions, teams must accept inaccuracies and inconsistencies. Honestly if you were in the position of the Referee, would you in real time and speed not rule it was a Corner? Yes it was millimetres in play, but that was through multiple replays and slow motion checks. The second VAR decision though is more questionable as a Manchester United appeared to control and direct the ball with their arm but again near impossible for a Referee to notice, and VAR to overrule. It does feel like Forest are getting the rub of the decisions, but unless there is sweeping new VAR powers and legislation the team need to avoid this process in the first place!

How do we avoid the blatant handball not being given?

 

[Timothy Pope]

The corner is a simple one. VAR reviews goals to make sure there are no infringements etc. the fact that it shouldn’t have been a corner should be enough to rule out the goal. Clear and obvious error.

They don’t have to review every single corner. Just the ones that are scored from.

 

[Captain Sinister]

The corner is a simple one. VAR reviews goals to make sure there are no infringements etc. the fact that it shouldn’t have been a corner should be enough to rule out the goal. Clear and obvious error.

They don’t have to review every single corner. Just the ones that are scored from.

So for us they have to review every corner

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

I can see it both ways.

I don't really want more VAR as it's bad enough as it is disrupting the game.

But it took almost a minute for the corner to be taken what with Forests complaints and in that time frame a really quick check would have confirmed the error and then you can award the GK.

Perhaps the most simplest solution is for officials not to f***ing guess decisions from miles away in favour of a cartel team.

 

[Timothy Pope]

So for us they have to review every corner

No.

They review every goal. They do that anyway.

If the corner that was scored from was given in error - the goal should be disallowed.

 

[Steve B]

I just don't understand why the - so called - "Best League in the World" has to tolerate such shit officiating?

As some may know, I watch an awful lot of Bundesliga games (hey, I live here) and the German officials, although officially amateurs, seem light-years ahead of their British counterparts? I just don't understand, because in theory, the same rules should apply to all officials should they not?

When there is a contentious decision in a German game, which needs to be referred to VAR, the on-field official makes announcement over the microphone when he has reviewed the play and re-entered the pitch, explaining the decision (either where he changes an on-field call in line with the VAR, or where he disagrees with the VAR and sticks with his initial call) - why does the Premier League not do that? Or do they?

Overall, what this seems to lead to is a much greater level of respect for the officials in the German game (and of course, you know where that leads, less player misbehaviour and greater acceptance of what the on-pitch officials are doing). Surely (and don't call me Shirley) the PL should be able to see where they are going wrong here? It is every week, there are contentious decisions that - frankly - ruin games.

Yeah, no system is perfect but the Premier League is its own worst-enemy here.

Yep it’s no coincidence that I can’t think of any real problems with any of the Europa league games but it’s never ending baffling decisions in the premier league.

 

[Captain Sinister]

No.

They review every goal. They do that anyway.

If the corner that was scored from was given in error - the goal should be disallowed.

I agree - my post was in jest.
Comedy always fails when you have to explain it to the audience!

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Comedy always fails when you have to explain it to the audience!

It's why comedy as a concept doesn't exist in America.

 

[GOBIAS]

Yesterday's decisions whilst frustrating, annoying and infuriating the officiating errors were understable. Unless Football has a similar process to Cricket whereby the Captain is allowed to appeal to VAR officials for suspected on erronous pitch decisions, teams must accept inaccuracies and inconsistencies. Honestly if you were in the position of the Referee, would you in real time and speed not rule it was a Corner? Yes it was millimetres in play, but that was through multiple replays and slow motion checks. The second VAR decision though is more questionable as a Manchester United appeared to control and direct the ball with their arm but again near impossible for a Referee to notice, and VAR to overrule. It does feel like Forest are getting the rub of the decisions, but unless there is sweeping new VAR powers and legislation the team need to avoid this process in the first place!

What would normally happen is if they werent sure they’d just play on, generally if there is a contentious decision in that area the benefit goes to the defending team as it could be major f*** up of it is given wrongly the other way. But the issue is that a linesman about 60 yards away, through a set of goalposts, a goal net, players has made that call, a call that was wrong, by basically guessing. If you don’t know leave your flag down and don’t get involved. It’s very simple.

 

[GOBIAS]

So for us they have to review every corner

If a goal is scored direct from a corner and there is some debate about the corner then I don’t see why not. Some goals are scrutinised to within an inch of their lives and on some occasions you haven’t a clue why they are bothering to as the ‘offences’ seem non existent. So why not a corner when a goal has come direct from it?

A bit like the offside rule, a fringe offside is ignored and allowed to carry on and reviewed when if a goal is scored.

 

[Erik]

They've got 'semi automated' offside which is supposed to tell whether a player is in front of, or behind an imaginary moving line when the ball is kicked from 30 yards away. They've got goal line technology which tells us if the ball has crossed a static line between the posts.

It shouldn't be beyond the wit of man to come up with an automated system that simply tells them if the ball is inside, or outside a static line which exists from before kick off.

It does seem beyond the wit of PGMOL and the FA though.

No need for appeals or challenges. Just a quick simple check from something based on systems they already use.