Standard of Referees

[valspoodle]

Several of those rules for refs in the recent past have been quietly shelved simply by refs not regularly picking up players for transgression.

Of course, it's possible I'm completely wrong in some instances!

I thought it was already a rule that the team can't surround the ref en masse, only the captain. But I see that's slated for a re-run this coming season as if it's new. The stopping of the free kick went down the tubes five minutes after it was introduced. Not unusual to see a player standing right in front of the free kick taker until the last moment without any problem. We've covered the six second goalkeeper rule which went ages ago with keepers wandering round the penalty area for 20 seconds at a time ( I get so annoyed I sometimes time them) with impunity. Now the ref has to wave his arms and count it out, as if that will help. I mean, why do you have to warn the guy, if he doesn't get rid, card him. Why pander to them?

We all know about the throw in as well, which apparently is just a way of re-starting the game.

Of course, it's partly a societal problem, with people unwilling to strictly adhere to rules these days because it might give them beviourable problems or some such. They all need a hairy arsed Sgt Major breathing down necks to get 'em moving.

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

Madueke's foul on Dom was late, nowhere near the ball, and reckless. No card shown.

Now cast your mind back to MGW winning a hard challenge earlier in the season. Taylor overruled the onfield ref to change the decision from a throw in and also show a yellow, resulting in a red, for the tackle being reckless despite cleanly winning the ball.

Now tell me that Taylor isn't totally biased.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Several of those rules for refs in the recent past have been quietly shelved simply by refs not regularly picking up players for transgression.

Of course, it's possible I'm completely wrong in some instances!

I thought it was already a rule that the team can't surround the ref en masse, only the captain. But I see that's slated for a re-run this coming season as if it's new. The stopping of the free kick went down the tubes five minutes after it was introduced. Not unusual to see a player standing right in front of the free kick taker until the last moment without any problem. We've covered the six second goalkeeper rule which went ages ago with keepers wandering round the penalty area for 20 seconds at a time ( I get so annoyed I sometimes time them) with impunity. Now the ref has to wave his arms and count it out, as if that will help. I mean, why do you have to warn the guy, if he doesn't get rid, card him. Why pander to them?

We all know about the throw in as well, which apparently is just a way of re-starting the game.

Of course, it's partly a societal problem, with people unwilling to strictly adhere to rules these days because it might give them beviourable problems or some such. They all need a hairy arsed Sgt Major breathing down necks to get 'em moving.

It's ok, when refs don't adhere to the rules some twat will be rolled out to suggest they've secretly changed them, and will subsequently secretly change them back somewhere down the line when the same happens. It's a f***ing joke.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Talking of refs I had a ref tell me I couldn't directly appeal to him the other day, ignoring clear discretions if I called it, but that would blow up if I ooh & ah'd a bit for things that were contentious. He's premier league ready.

 

[Louth Red]

I don’t blame Taylor for our defeat on Sunday although he allowed Chelsea to get away with blatant time-wasting throughout the game, and he even got in the way of play by being struck with the ball.

Taylor is one of the two international elite referees in the PL - he is very experienced. The Chelsea game was not difficult to control.

The biggest problem in my view is PGMOL.

Although we missed the early years of VAR other than the odd cup game it’s clear that there was a lack of preparation for its introduction especially the number of additional referees required. The consequence led to fast tracking of inexperienced referees and an inevitable dilution in quality. It has also allowed some poorer referees to continue at elite level without improvement.

This was witnessed on Sunday when there was a full set of ten PL fixtures.

Given the money in the PL we need to consider all options to improve standards including foreign referees - we have huge numbers of foreign players so why not referees. Fast-tracking of referees has not provided the answer, nor has using the same pool of referees for games and VAR duties.

Sadly PGMOL and Howard Webb are too internally focussed rather than seeing the bigger picture.
Their failure to address consistency of decisions; the failure to control games by allowing time wasting and simulation continues to be a big problem; and the failure to recognise the impact of the hierarchy of officials - whether by VAR or Fourth Official intervention - has to be addressed.

In short PGMOL is not being properly held to account.

The Premier League is the elite club football competition in the world - it is the richest, attracts the best players, is broadcast across the world, and has great attendances. Raising refereeing standards should be a priority.

 

[Flaggers]

Do referees do more than one game (in any capacity [ref, 4th official, var, linesman] ) on a match weekend?

 

[YellowBelly Red]

Do referees do more than one game (in any capacity [ref, 4th official, var, linesman] ) on a match weekend?

Yes, they do. A 4th official at Arsenal on a Saturday, may well be the referee at Chelsea on the Sunday.

 

[Statto]

Yes, they do. A 4th official at Arsenal on a Saturday, may well be the referee at Chelsea on the Sunday.

Some of them do VAR and referee on consecutive days as well.

I don't know much about what the assistant VAR does, but the assistant referee is obviously more of a specialist thing so you often don't see the PL refs who are in the middle being assistants, though I think they are basically qualified referees like the others, and the 4th doesn't appear to do much but is also the stand in, if the actual ref picks up an injury then the 4th official takes their place. So that means that 3 of the select group refs needs to be on duty at any particular match (plus the AVAR and 2 assistant refs). There are 10 matches in the PL each weekend so if they didn't double up they'd need 30 available and that's before you have to discount ones because of their own club allegiances (not just the club they support but you wouldn't want to put a Luton Derby or Leicester fan on a Forest game in any capacity). Ideally the refs would be equally distributed across the rest of the teams so each team would get an equal amount of games refereed by the remaining ones and the same ref wouldn't crop up against a team too soon after they last did, but it probably doesn't work too much like that.

And then they also need to occasionally work in refs they want to promote from the Championship pool, like that female ref (not SME) who was around a while back, and Sam Allison who's related to Wayne who used to be a striker...

 

[Lady Penelope]

RIP Uriah Rennie. A trailblazer and a man with an impressive track record of helping others.

 

[Statto]

RIP Uriah Rennie. A trailblazer and a man with an impressive track record of helping others.

I always thought he was a decent ref. Actually, a lot of the ones from that time (Elleray, Poll, Clattenburg etc) seem to be a massive improvement on the majority of what we have now.

And yes, I know a lot of people don't like Clattenburg because of that Dawson red, but it was a red - my issue with that match is he didn't punish similar challenges from Utd which would have made more of a difference in that tie. In the end we had to play the 2nd leg with Walker and Thompson at CB and that never seemed to work out.

Poll will always be remembered for that WC match where he booked Simunic 3 times, but it's clear when he explained how that got screwed up (it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if he'd had to caution Craig Moore after the 1st Simunic yellow) and that match had plenty of crazy in it.

 

[Notcher]

I saw one of the strangest but brilliant bits of refereeing I've seen from Uriah.

It was about 15-20 years ago and we were playing Barnsley at home. He gave us a free kick in our penalty area at the Bridgford end and the Barnsley fans were going mad. He then turned around to their supporters in that end and explained his decision and you could see them all nodding and going ahh fair enough, yeah understand it now. Brilliant

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[Red Ray's Redlist]

I saw one of the strangest but brilliant bits of refereeing I've seen from Uriah.

It was about 15-20 years ago and we were playing Barnsley at home. He gave us a free kick in our penalty area at the Bridgford end and the Barnsley fans were going mad. He then turned around to their supporters in that end and explained his decision and you could see them all nodding and going ahh fair enough, yeah understand it now. Brilliant

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I'm guessing Anthony Taylor would have to mime receiving a briefcase full of £50s to explain some of the shite he gives against Forest.

Rob Jones pretends to have a white stick and wanders around bumping into things.

Tierney could act out being Goofy, so stupid he doesn't understand the rules.

Not sure how Milford could mime a vagina though?!?

 

[Flaggers]

I would call Milford a c*nt, but he lacks the warmth and depth.

 

[PynchonForest]

So how bad was Stephanie Frappart in the England debacle yesterday? From what I heard she was awful.

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

I didn't really notice her, so I guess she was probably OK.

 

[adam09]

So how bad was Stephanie Frappart in the England debacle yesterday? From what I heard she was awful.

I thought she was ok? Gave a couple of borderline yellows for both teams.

Personally I'd like to see a ref get the yellow out for persistent arguing. She did tell players to get away from her a couple of times when listening to VAR but they kept on so should be booking one or two.

Only really sus thing is where the ball hit Colwill's arm. I thought it looked over the sleeve line.

 

[king_congo_red]

The commentary team reckoned that El Hadji Diouf had some 'choice words' for her in the tunnel at half-time.

 

[Statto]

I thought she was absolutely fine and that disallowing the goal was the right decision.

 

[PynchonForest]

Good to hear she did well. She is, imho, the best female ref on the planet.

 

[Robertson]

For me the only question with the disallowed goal for handball is whether it was high up enough to be considered the shoulder, not whether it was deliberate or not. He was jumping in the air towards the ball direct from a corner, makes contact with his arm and it falls direct to teammate - obviously a deliberate act to try and make contact with the ball in some way.

 

[Flaggers]

The commentary team reckoned that El Hadji Diouf had some 'choice words' for her in the tunnel at half-time.

She's lucky then
He normally just spits on people

 

[adam09]

For me the only question with the disallowed goal for handball is whether it was high up enough to be considered the shoulder, not whether it was deliberate or not. He was jumping in the air towards the ball direct from a corner, makes contact with his arm and it falls direct to teammate - obviously a deliberate act to try and make contact with the ball in some way.

To be fair, the defender had both arms around and was facing the wrong way. If it was an attempt to play it with his shoulder it very nearly worked, it was all he could really do.

 

[Robertson]

To be fair, the defender had both arms around and was facing the wrong way. If it was an attempt to play it with his shoulder it very nearly worked, it was all he could really do.

Yeah that’s probably right. It’s a bit unlucky he made contact via his arm but he still did - or at least the ref thought so in the end.

I just think it’s different to the cases when a defender gets the ball hit at them. It was from a corner and he was clearly aiming to play the ball somehow - and did so, illegally, if unintentionally so.

 

[Statto]

David Coote: Ex-Premier League referee charged by FA over Jurgen Klopp comments

Former Premier League referee David Coote is charged by the Football Association over comments made about ex-Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp.

www.bbc.co.uk

What's the point in this when he's been sacked? Though it's good to see them taking action against a ref even if it's something said against klopp

 

[Chappers85]

David Coote: Ex-Premier League referee charged by FA over Jurgen Klopp comments

Former Premier League referee David Coote is charged by the Football Association over comments made about ex-Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp.

www.bbc.co.uk

What's the point in this when he's been sacked? Though it's good to see them taking action against a ref even if it's something said against klopp

Just about to say the same thing. What else can they do to him? Presumably he'll never work as a ref again already.