Standard of Referees

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
according to Sky Sports

"Aston Villa intend to make an official complaint to the Premier League that a more experienced referee was not selected to officiate a game of such magnitude after missing out on Champions League qualification following their final day defeat to Manchester United.
Villa had goalkeeper Emiliano Martinez sent off in the first half and went on to lose 2-0 at Old Trafford, conceding the two goals after having a Morgan Rogers strike controversially ruled out, when referee Thomas Bramall ruled that Rogers had fouled United goalkeeper Altay Bayindir before slotting home."
Good luck with that Villa.
 

andyd

First Team Squad
Agreed. No one can blame Taylor today. We just missed gilt edged chances and gave up an incredibly sloppy and somewhat unfortunate goal. Chelsea offered nothing at all and got the lucky bounce. We offered more and fluffed our lines. Nothing to complain about from the officials today.
 
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Agent Penguin

Grenville Morris
according to Sky Sports

"Aston Villa intend to make an official complaint to the Premier League that a more experienced referee was not selected to officiate a game of such magnitude after missing out on Champions League qualification following their final day defeat to Manchester United.
Villa had goalkeeper Emiliano Martinez sent off in the first half and went on to lose 2-0 at Old Trafford, conceding the two goals after having a Morgan Rogers strike controversially ruled out, when referee Thomas Bramall ruled that Rogers had fouled United goalkeeper Altay Bayindir before slotting home."
Let’s suggest that we replay our game with their ref, and they can replay theirs with Taylor.
 

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
The Villa decision is absolutely shocking. Apparently VAR couldn’t look at it because the whistle was already blown 🤦
 

ubik

Geoff Thomas
The Villa decision is absolutely shocking. Apparently VAR couldn’t look at it because the whistle was already blown 🤦
Just seen it on MOTD and Rogers kicks the ball out of the keeper's hands. Yes, he could have a tighter grip on it but the ref got it right.
 

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
Just seen it on MOTD and Rogers kicks the ball out of the keeper's hands. Yes, he could have a tighter grip on it but the ref got it right.
The ball was never in his hands, he poked the loose ball at his hands and poked the loose ball again to get past the keeper and score. I can see why the ref initially gave it, but it is clear on var that the ball was there to be played.
 

Malwood

Grenville Morris
I'm as bad as anyone for slating refs, but actually if I step back a moment and look at the quality of decisions nowadays they are amazing compared with like a decade ago. Players are so good at faking and cheating now, but despite that refs get 19 out of 20 decisions right, which they only see once at full speed.
 

YellowBelly Red

Geoff Thomas
according to Sky Sports

"Aston Villa intend to make an official complaint to the Premier League that a more experienced referee was not selected to officiate a game of such magnitude after missing out on Champions League qualification following their final day defeat to Manchester United.
Villa had goalkeeper Emiliano Martinez sent off in the first half and went on to lose 2-0 at Old Trafford, conceding the two goals after having a Morgan Rogers strike controversially ruled out, when referee Thomas Bramall ruled that Rogers had fouled United goalkeeper Altay Bayindir before slotting home."
What has his holiness, the Grand Arbiter of Everything Football, Gary Neville had to say about this?
 

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
I'm as bad as anyone for slating refs, but actually if I step back a moment and look at the quality of decisions nowadays they are amazing compared with like a decade ago. Players are so good at faking and cheating now, but despite that refs get 19 out of 20 decisions right, which they only see once at full speed.
Generally yes, the feigning etc.. muddies the waters as well like you say.

Any glaring errors should be mopped up my VAR but other than that we should put more trust back in refs.

My big issue with refs is inconsistency in bookings. I’d rather they just were really lenient.
 

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Generally yes, the feigning etc.. muddies the waters as well like you say.

Any glaring errors should be mopped up my VAR but other than that we should put more trust back in refs.

My big issue with refs is inconsistency in bookings. I’d rather they just were really lenient.
The problem with the booking system is that a petulant act, like kicking the ball away, or removing the shirt after scoring a vital goal is treated the same as a professional foul to stop a breakaway, or a bad tackle that wasn’t violent conduct.
Goalkeepers holding the ball for an excessive amount of time l, and dreadful foul throw-ins go unpunished.
I await the 8-second countdown being introduced next season with bated breath!
 

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HBB

Jack Burkitt
The ball was never in his hands, he poked the loose ball at his hands and poked the loose ball again to get past the keeper and score. I can see why the ref initially gave it, but it is clear on var that the ball was there to be played.
Yep - given the distance the ref was away from the incident you can completely understand why he made the decision he did. You'd expect that the keeper in that position would have had a firmer hand on the ball so for it to come free it must have been knocked away by the player illegally. The bigger question is how VAR is implemented, given that a review could have seen he did not have control and the incident didn't involve another player, so the ref's whistle did not have any effect on subsequent actions they should have the leeway to say that it was a valid goal.

As it seem to be most of the time with VAR its the rules and the application that are the issue.
 

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
I have had a real issue with how extra time is enforced all season

Every game is an example, but yesterday is fresh in the mind.

8 minutes added on, a good 3 minutes of that Chelsea players are on the floor - and he blows up on 8:21 after spending 30 seconds waiting for Chelsea to kick it forward.

Happened all season not once to our benefit, additional time has been a complete coin flip all season & just seems to depend on whether the referee wants to go home or not.
 

donny

Jack Armstrong
I don’t think really anyone of sound mind is blaming Taylor for our performance. We’re just saying he’s a shit referee.

Which I would say is pretty accurate
He allows himself to be influenced too much by certain players. The likes of Enzo and Sideshow Bob for instance.
 

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
I have had a real issue with how extra time is enforced all season

Every game is an example, but yesterday is fresh in the mind.

8 minutes added on, a good 3 minutes of that Chelsea players are on the floor - and he blows up on 8:21 after spending 30 seconds waiting for Chelsea to kick it forward.

Happened all season not once to our benefit, additional time has been a complete coin flip all season & just seems to depend on whether the referee wants to go home or not.
Yeah everyone knows they never blow up on the dot especially if one team is clinging on and trying to time waste. Last week versus West Ham for example. He must have played 3 mins over the given time.

When the injury time is say 4 mins they routinely find a further 2 mins. Which is crazy, so in 45 mins they have added 4 mins, often a goals and subs account for the majority of that, yet in 2 mins he has found 2 more mins often with no statutory time for subs or goals. That is the equivalent of finding 22 mins in a 45 mins half without any statutory add ons.
 

benj360

First Team Squad
Consistent in not issuing yellow cards for Chelsea players, yes.
Yeah they had a free reign to stop us from going forwards by any means necessary, merely at the expense of a free kick each time which does nothing to nip it in the knackers. We've come a cropper a few times this season when teams have been allowed to do that - Brentford & Everton at home and Bournemouth away stick in the mind. Doesn't help our game at all if the opposition don't have to worry about picking up second yellows (or even one yellow card).
 

adam09

Bob McKinlay
Yeah they had a free reign to stop us from going forwards by any means necessary, merely at the expense of a free kick each time which does nothing to nip it in the knackers. We've come a cropper a few times this season when teams have been allowed to do that - Brentford & Everton at home and Bournemouth away stick in the mind. Doesn't help our game at all if the opposition don't have to worry about picking up second yellows (or even one yellow card).

Exactly that. Whilst it might not be major game changing decisions, it disrupts us and turns the flow of the game.

To be honest I wish we were a bit more clever at it ourselves as it seems the big teams are all very good at it. It's win at all costs these days.
 
We get yellow cards for doing what Chelsea did to us. That's why we don't fo it as much.
Anderson rightly got a card for a mistimed challenge. A couple of their players (I think Caicedo was one) weren’t carded for similar fouls. A Chelsea player delayed a free kick by standing right in front of the ball but wasn’t carded (we’ve had a few yellows for that this season and I believe it’s a mandatory yellow for delaying the restart). And the goalie wasn’t carded for his time-wasting where we have often got a card for it. Those decisions weren’t the reason we lost and none of them was game-changing in itself, but Anderson had to tread carefully to avoid another yellow and their players didn’t. As ever, it’s the inconsistency that infuriates fans.
 

adam09

Bob McKinlay
Anderson rightly got a card for a mistimed challenge. A couple of their players (I think Caicedo was one) weren’t carded for similar fouls. A Chelsea player delayed a free kick by standing right in front of the ball but wasn’t carded (we’ve had a few yellows for that this season and I believe it’s a mandatory yellow for delaying the restart). And the goalie wasn’t carded for his time-wasting where we have often got a card for it. Those decisions weren’t the reason we lost and none of them was game-changing in itself, but Anderson had to tread carefully to avoid another yellow and their players didn’t. As ever, it’s the inconsistency that infuriates fans.

We had a free kick in the middle of their half and THREE of their players picked the ball up before we eventually got it.

As you say, it's annoying Cucurella at least didn't get a yellow for pulling Elanga back. He was clear down the line with 3 of their players out of position behind him.

It's ridiculously poor officiating.
 
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