Six good reasons to hate newcastle.

Roonaldo

Geoff Thomas
Newcastle are often described as ‘everyone’s second favourite’ team. When Kevin Keegan’s attack-minded team were credible challengers to the evil Manchester United empire, who could fail to admire them?

How times have moved on.

The failing club from the sportsdirect.com stadium of today is an object of ridicule, their fans can only be mocked for their delusions of grandeur following their slide into Division Two and their style of football is effective, yet terribly dull.

Great night out and all that, but as we're about to whopp their 'never won f*** all' asses this evening, here six good reasons not to like them:

1) Geordie tears

In short, we’re sick of the weeping. The close-up of the sobbing fat Geordie has become one of the iconic images in the modern game. Newcastle fans patented the weeping-fan genre as Keegan’s team blew the title in 1996. Within seconds of the final whistle sounding at Villa Park when they went down, the camera picked out a Newcastle fan crying shamelessly. G.E.T. A. B.L.O.O.D.Y. G.R.I.P.

That said, there’ll no better sight than seeing a few fat, topless Geordies crying tonight, as the magnificant Trickies mock: ‘Crying on the telly, we saw you crying on the telly’.

2) Massive club syndrome

Stick a microphone in front of any randomly selected gaggle of barcodes and I guarantee that they will tell you, with no trace of irony, that Newcastle are a ‘massive club’. Geordies believe that Newcastle’s rightful place is at the top of the Premiership.

Despite decades of underachievement – their last domestic trophy was in 1955 – the delusion that Newcastle belong amongst the elite still persists. It was perfectly expressed by David Ginola, who said: ‘It would be a disaster for the city if Newcastle went down. But it would be a disaster for the Premier League as well. The English game would suffer.’

Well, I’ll concede relegation might have been a disaster for Newcastle. But a disaster for the Premier League? I don’t think so. Their crap brand of football certainly hasn't be missed. Like Leeds, the rest barely know they're missing. Thing is Newcastle, you're a very average club tucked away in the far reaches of England that isn't known beyond these shores for the simple fact that you're not, and never have been, a big club.

No one actually cares about you.


3) Geordie Messiahs

One of the most pathetic spectacles in football is that of thousands of Geordies gathering at the gates of St James’ Park proclaiming their latest Messiah. What is it with Geordies and Messiahs? First they put their faith in Keegan, an inspirational manager but a tactical dunce. Keegan quit in 1997 saying that he couldn’t take the club any further. Quitting isn’t exactly one the characteristics you’d look for in a prospective Messiah, but Newcastle never stopped believing in King Kev.

Bobby Robson was hailed as a saviour when he took the job in 1999 but he joined the ranks of unemployed Messiahs in 2004.

Keegan’s Second Coming in January 2008 was greeted with delirium on Tyneside and widespread bewilderment everywhere else. The Newcastle fans still had faith in a man who three months earlier had said he was ‘finished’ with management and hardly watched any matches. Inevitably, Keegan walked out on the club in September 2008.

As relegation loomed chairman Mike Ashley played his final Messiah card by hiring Alan Shearer. Cue delirium on Tyneside again. f anyone could save the Toon from the drop then Wor Alan was the man to do it. Admittedly he had no managerial experience whatsoever but why should that be an obstacle? Shearer started fining players for turning up late for training – a sure sign of how far the rot had set in – but he couldn’t perform miracles.

Newcastle listen up - There is only one messiah. He died 20 September 2004, and he bloody well hated you lot.

4) Self-styled ‘best supporters’ in the land

Newcastle fans are often described as the ‘best supporters’ in the country, and most of them believe this nonsense. They point to the 50,000 paying punters who turn up at the sportsdirect.com stadium every week, despite the fact that the Toon have won bugger all trophies for decades. That shows just how passionate and committed their fans are, right?

Wrong.

Newcastle’s support is nothing to sneeze at. It’s a huge one-club cesspit of a city so there’s no market competition. So they’ve not won any trophies for years – so what? The Championship is full of clubs who have won sod all for years. Unlike Newcastle, they haven’t had the pulling power of Premiership football to put bums on seats. Prior to getting yourselves back into the top flight in the early 90's, your support was appauling. I remember you averaging 16000 in the early nineties. This at a time when post-World Cup fever had spread across the nation, so don't give me any crap about recessions and hooliganism.

For a one-club city that size, with regular Premierhsip football, of course you're going to get big crowds. It would be very interesting to see how many would still stay around if you endured what we have over the last ten years.


5) Geordie Nation

It was former Newcastle chairman Sir John Hall who popularised the myth that Geordies were a nation apart. ‘The Geordie nation – that’s what we’re fighting for’, Hall once said. ‘London’s the enemy. The South East’s the enemy.’

Hall’s phoney North-East nationalism finds contemporary expression in the belief that Newcastle United should be managed by someone who understands the inscrutable ways of the Geordie. ‘You listen to the phone-ins and people talking about it. They’re people who don’t understand this place, they don’t understand the Geordies. I do’, said Kevin Keegan. ‘This is my third time here, my dad was a Geordie, so I understand them and I know what they want.’

The idea that Geordie culture is incomprehensible to outsiders was bluntly expressed in the ‘Cockney Mafia Out’ banner unfurled at the sportsdirect.com stadium. Another banner read: ‘YIZ DIVINNT KNAA NOWT ABOUT GEORDIES, ITS WOR CLUB, LERRIT GAN, NIVVA RETORN. GORRIT.’

Or, as they say in German: Ausländer Raus.

The thing is, there’s no great mystery to Newcastle’s decline. It’s nothing to do with the failure to understand the Geordies, and your arrogant belief in having your own nation. You'd be f**ked if you didn't get your welfare state handouts from the rest of us, so just drop it hey?

It’s simply down to bad management and underperforming players. End of.

6) Pitch invasions

6 March 1974

Bastards.
 
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Hate Newcastle?

Sorry old chap, but I'm afraid I feel nothing but utter indifferance towards them.
 

Tutts

Ian Bowyer
6 Reasons to like them:

1) They've taken points off West brom
2) The town is a great night out.
3) Their Players training ground spats are a source of constant amusement.
4) Their demise lets us forget about our own recent years of being poo.
5) Their lack of trophies in the last God knows how many years makes us look even more impressive.
6) They're not Derby or Liverpool.


Give peace a chance.
 

RedMark

Viv Anderson
Newcastle listen up - There is only one messiah. He died 20 September 2004, and he bloody well hated you lot.:cheers:

The whole ' Shearer is the only man to save us ' malarkey was brilliant.

A Geordie I play football with noted how embarrassing it was, that every time you would turn on Sky Sports News there would be some damaged Geordie complaining that there wasn't a manager in the land that could save them but Shearer. lol
 

alabamared

Stuart Pearce
Newcastle isn't a bad town at all.

There is a shop in one of the arcades there that sells everything I love Guitars, high end audio / visual and and astonishing range of CDs. If it had a bar and lap dancers it would be some kind of heaven.

Altough Newcastle Brown is far too fizzy!
 

TrickyTart

Viv Anderson
Fans who think its cool to be 35stone and not wear a top in December........unless you're a chubby chaser
 

earthworm

Jack Burkitt
Altough Newcastle Brown is far too fizzy!

Too right, they won't be able to compete with our football just the same as they can't with our ale ...

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Si Coe

First Team Squad
6 Reasons to like them:

1) They've taken points off West brom
2) The town is a great night out.
3) Their Players training ground spats are a source of constant amusement.
4) Their demise lets us forget about our own recent years of being poo.
5) Their lack of trophies in the last God knows how many years makes us look even more impressive.
6) They're not Derby or Liverpool.


Give peace a chance.

7) Cheryl Cole.
 

Baronvon

Jack Burkitt
I don't really give that much of a toss about them, the only reason this game has any personal significance for me is due to knowing a number of Newcastle fans personally. In fact, I'm off to watch the game at a pub with one this evening.

I'm just glad I made the most of the paltry few months of gloating our 1-0 win gave me.
 
M

Monk De Wally De Honk

Guest
Newcastle isn't a bad town at all.

There is a shop in one of the arcades there that sells everything I love Guitars, high end audio / visual and and astonishing range of CDs. If it had a bar and lap dancers it would be some kind of heaven.

Altough Newcastle Brown is far too fizzy!


I know the place you mean and it is very close to the bars and you don't need lapdancers in Newcastle, better luck next time
 

matt3187

A. Trialist
1. Geordie tears. Every club has these people, the TV likes to home in on ours to perpetuate one of their fave myths. Our relegation at Villa last year was drowned out by massive support from the away end, not accompanied by hysterical wailing as the media would have you believe.

2. Massive club syndrome. What i a massive club? What is a big club? We are the 7th most succesfull English team, with large crowds and top level facilities. We are the only club in a major UK city and attract large TV audiences. So to say that we are a small club is not really accurate and the notion that people hanging around St James Park during the week are representative of the views of the majority of support is silly. Most of us simply don't go around spouting this crap and the only time we voice an opinion is in response to this accusation. Silly really.

3. Messaih syndrome. I've honestly never heard that term used outside of the media and I am from the area and have supported the team home and away for 30 years. Every Mag I know cringes when they hear it and MOST I know were very surprised when Keegan came back. We love him and supported him to the hilt, but thats it.

4. Best supporters. Another ridiculous myth of the media, that I will admit I have heard some of our lot repeat. Again, what does that even mean? Any fan can only be 100% committed, regardless of the club. I think that what you can say is that, being in the middle of an area with about 1.5 million people, with no other major sports and only one other club to share with we probably have more people with that level of commitment than most clubs.Perhaps more importantly, it means that the vast majority of our support is local, which MOST OTHER CLUBS of similar sized support cannot say. The fact that we do have a depressed economy and we don't even have succesfull clubs within 150 miles reinforces this.

The low crowds myth, already pointed out to every knacker from every club we've played this season. Here are our official stats:

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufc...erecords.shtml

The one year, 90/91, when our crowds dipped to just below 17k, was the year we picketted the ground and boycotted the games to enact change. This worked, so hardly regrettable on our part. There are only two other seasons since the first world war when our crowds have averaged under 20k were 79-81. Bad times for everyone and when compared to contemporary crowds, not that low. In all, 3 seasons in our entire history, none of which were in the top flight. We've been rubbish for years now yet still we have decent sized crowds. I believe that only Man Utd could come close to our current average in similar circumstances.

5. Geordie nation. Many in the NE feel that the area should be distinguished from the rest of the country, however, I don't think its any stronger or legitimate a claim than say, Cornwall or Wales (Northumbria and County Durham have, historically, been autonomous at times) and nobody seriously believes in cessation from the UK!! I don't think as many people identify as strongly with the England team as they do elswhere and maybe this indifference gives off an impression of "Geordie independance", I don't know. What I do accept is that John Hall overblew this a bit, but then he is given over to a bit of hyperbole now and then.

6. Pitch invasion. Fair one, but we'll say that cancels out the miners strike.
 
M

Monk De Wally De Honk

Guest
Does the idea of the Georide nation include the Makems?
 

ForestRCohenUp

First Team Squad
pitch invasion, fat shirtless fans, no trophies, crying on the TV, Ant and Dec, they are constantly on the TV and dole

I hate them! Ian Woan ruined their chances back in the day which was wonderful!
 

Tutts

Ian Bowyer
The one year, 90/91, when our crowds dipped to just below 17k, was the year we picketted the ground and boycotted the games to enact change. This worked, so hardly regrettable on our part.

This should be pointed out to the goons who turn up to Man Utd games in their Yellow and Green scarves.

You're really hitting the Glazers where it hurts by buying match tickets each week.

Numpteys.
 

Tutts

Ian Bowyer
6 Reasons to like them:

1) They've taken points off West brom
2) The town is a great night out.
3) Their Players training ground spats are a source of constant amusement.
4) Their demise lets us forget about our own recent years of being poo.
5) Their lack of trophies in the last God knows how many years makes us look even more impressive.
6) They're not Derby or Liverpool.


Give peace a chance.


7. Byker Grove
 
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ForestRCohenUp

First Team Squad
This should be pointed out to the goons who turn up to Man Utd games in their Yellow and Green scarves.

You're really hitting the Glazers where it hurts by buying match tickets each week.

Numpteys.


Spot on! I bet someone has made a mint of the green and gold scarves as well because I doubt little or non of it will be going to the "Red Knights"
 

Forever Forest

Geoff Thomas
1. Geordie tears. Every club has these people, the TV likes to home in on ours to perpetuate one of their fave myths. Our relegation at Villa last year was drowned out by massive support from the away end, not accompanied by hysterical wailing as the media would have you believe.

2. Massive club syndrome. What i a massive club? What is a big club? We are the 7th most succesfull English team, with large crowds and top level facilities. We are the only club in a major UK city and attract large TV audiences. So to say that we are a small club is not really accurate and the notion that people hanging around St James Park during the week are representative of the views of the majority of support is silly. Most of us simply don't go around spouting this crap and the only time we voice an opinion is in response to this accusation. Silly really.

3. Messaih syndrome. I've honestly never heard that term used outside of the media and I am from the area and have supported the team home and away for 30 years. Every Mag I know cringes when they hear it and MOST I know were very surprised when Keegan came back. We love him and supported him to the hilt, but thats it.

4. Best supporters. Another ridiculous myth of the media, that I will admit I have heard some of our lot repeat. Again, what does that even mean? Any fan can only be 100% committed, regardless of the club. I think that what you can say is that, being in the middle of an area with about 1.5 million people, with no other major sports and only one other club to share with we probably have more people with that level of commitment than most clubs.Perhaps more importantly, it means that the vast majority of our support is local, which MOST OTHER CLUBS of similar sized support cannot say. The fact that we do have a depressed economy and we don't even have succesfull clubs within 150 miles reinforces this.

The low crowds myth, already pointed out to every knacker from every club we've played this season. Here are our official stats:

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufc...erecords.shtml

The one year, 90/91, when our crowds dipped to just below 17k, was the year we picketted the ground and boycotted the games to enact change. This worked, so hardly regrettable on our part. There are only two other seasons since the first world war when our crowds have averaged under 20k were 79-81. Bad times for everyone and when compared to contemporary crowds, not that low. In all, 3 seasons in our entire history, none of which were in the top flight. We've been rubbish for years now yet still we have decent sized crowds. I believe that only Man Utd could come close to our current average in similar circumstances.

5. Geordie nation. Many in the NE feel that the area should be distinguished from the rest of the country, however, I don't think its any stronger or legitimate a claim than say, Cornwall or Wales (Northumbria and County Durham have, historically, been autonomous at times) and nobody seriously believes in cessation from the UK!! I don't think as many people identify as strongly with the England team as they do elswhere and maybe this indifference gives off an impression of "Geordie independance", I don't know. What I do accept is that John Hall overblew this a bit, but then he is given over to a bit of hyperbole now and then.

6. Pitch invasion. Fair one, but we'll say that cancels out the miners strike.

You were going well with a passionate argument there. A lot of people say these things as a wind up becasue they know opposing fans will be reading these boards. You obviously have bitten the bait and really got wound up by it, why?

Then you let yourself down by saying the pitch invasion cancelled out the miners strike! What the miners strike has to do with Nottingham Forest Football Club, i will never know.By the way, a lot of the members on here who were ex miners say that a lot of the miners on strike were people from the North East
 

Rich

Rice IV
2. Massive club syndrome. What i a massive club? What is a big club? We are the 7th most succesfull English team, with large crowds and top level facilities. We are the only club in a major UK city and attract large TV audiences. So to say that we are a small club is not really accurate and the notion that people hanging around St James Park during the week are representative of the views of the majority of support is silly. Most of us simply don't go around spouting this crap and the only time we voice an opinion is in response to this accusation. Silly really.

How?

Forest
Man Utd
Liverpool
Aston Villa

All won the European Cup

Arsenal, Chelsea, Blackburn - All won the Premier League

That's 7 teams who have achieved more than Newcastle already.

Then we have the time perspective. Portsmouth won the FA Cup two years ago, which is more relevant than winning it 55 years ago.

Everton, Milwall, Cardiff and West Ham have all been finalists in recent memory, whilst Newcastle haven't been.

Tottenham won it in 91, Sunderland were finalists in 92. These can be argued to be more successful than newcastle.

The only thing of note Newcastle have done to warrant 'success' is come close to winning the Premier league (which Forest also did) and get to a cup final in the mid nineties.

Big crowds are often used as a measure of the size of a club, but they can't determine success.

It's also worth asking the question of what percentage of the represented town bother to go and watch your club? Burnley get smaller crowds but have probably the highest percentage over population in the country. With a population of 73,000 I'd say getting 20,000 people is something of an accomplishment. To put it into perpective, for Newcastle to have a similar turnout they would need to house nearly 200,000 people given the office of statistics measure of 799,000 inhabitants.(these figures are from the 2001 census, so might be a tad out).

Compared to the population of Nottingham (292,000) Newcastle have comparatively smaller crowds than our own 25,000. Indeed, you shoud be housing 80,000 people to be comparable to our own turnout, and we've endured 3 years of division 3 football.

But then, we do have two European Cups to bolster our claim to be more successful. What silverware do you have?
 

Gary

No wonder my post count..
Don't see a problem with Geordie fans or Newcastle in itself. I'm sure a lot of people say hateful things about Forest also. A lot a geordies I've met are nice, genuine people.
 
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