Should Pleat go for sake of club?

[doggboy]

Just like to get your thoughts on David Pleats role at the club...now he may have been instrumental in getting some of the signings in but rumblings are he actually signed them and not Billy Davies, For me you can't have 2 "managers" for want of a better word 2 big egos like they have is only going to end in difference of opinion and tension.
Billy Davies should be given full control of the team affairs side and Pleat should go, that's the only way i can see stability returning to the club...to many cooks...yadda yadda and so on.

cheers

rob

 

[chib-e]

Yeah he should go. Tbh i doubt he feels much for our club. He's in it for the money and nothing else.
Either way its gonna end in tears, wether its Davies or Pleats shedding em I'm not sure?

 

[Bridgfordred79]

No Way does he deserve a more hands on job, but he should be in a role where if Billy Davies wants advice he goes to Pleat, so that billy Davies is total control of the club and Pleat has no say in what BD does, but can advise BD.

 

[Tnewton_1988]

Cloughie is always said "one person should run a football club and that's the manager" and this will never change.If Davies leaves or gets the bullet in the next year or so it be a massive mistake in the recent history of NFFC if Davies is given the tools, i do honestly think he could achieve a Premiership return.But hangers on need to keep their nose out of 1st team affairs.

 

[Marshall.]

Pleat has left his commentating role?

 

[doggboy]

No Way does he deserve a more hands on job, but he should be in a role where if Billy Davies wants advice he goes to Pleat, so that billy Davies is total control of the club and Pleat has no say in what BD does, but can advise BD.

The only way i could ever see an advisory position working would be if whoever it is was appointed by Billy Davies himself, He obviously has the hump with it already as he has stated subliminally so why the club persist it keeping him on is beyond me, How long has he been there and really what has he added to the club? and now his job has gone bye bye he wants a more hands on role in the club! not for me David while you've been commentating on Fenerbache vs St Gallen or whoever we've been struggling so please bugger off now and take that big potato head with you.
I wish the club would get back to bloody basics and run the club in a traditional way...its worked for years upon years yet these business men think they can reinvent the wheel football wise,

"Give Billy full control and I'm sure we will reap the benefits, were not that far off" :

 

[oz]

The only way i could ever see an advisory position working would be if whoever it is was appointed by Billy Davies himself, He obviously has the hump with it already as he has stated subliminally so why the club persist it keeping him on is beyond me, How long has he been there and really what has he added to the club? and now his job has gone bye bye he wants a more hands on role in the club! not for me David while you've been commentating on Fenerbache vs St Gallen or whoever we've been struggling so please bugger off now and take that big potato head with you.
I wish the club would get back to b****y basics and run the club in a traditional way...its worked for years upon years yet these business men think they can reinvent the wheel football wise,

"Give Billy full control and I'm sure we will reap the benefits, were not that far off" :

Yeah, let billy spend loads of cash, be reasonably successful (just miss out on play offs) and jump ship for the first premiership managers job that comes up and leave us with a massive wage bill of players no-one else wants.

This is what pleats role is, to advise ND so that this doesn't happen

 

[Erik]

Pleat is a Nigel Doughty appointment to keep an eye on the football side of things.

I'm afraid Billy Davies is going to have to find a way of making this work.

Had we won 3 out of 4 games none of us would have heard this story.



(On the other hand, an expression regarding cooks and broth does spring to mind.)

 

[sedgred]

Just like to get your thoughts on David Pleats role at the club...now he may have been instrumental in getting some of the signings in but rumblings are he actually signed them and not Billy Davies, For me you can't have 2 "managers" for want of a better word 2 big egos like they have is only going to end in difference of opinion and tension.
Billy Davies should be given full control of the team affairs side and Pleat should go, that's the only way i can see stability returning to the club...to many cooks...yadda yadda and so on.

cheers

rob

Any proof of this so,ewhat outlandish statement ?

 

[RedDogChris]

I don't know the ins and outs of what is going on behind the scenes,but rumours of this kind have really caused unrest and have bred a massive air of negativity around the club.I hope all parties manage to sort it as quickly as possible.

 

[doggboy]

Any proof of this so,ewhat outlandish statement ?

Not really mate but reading between the lines of billy's recent comments regarding the situation its pretty clear something is going on...and really i don't need proof its a question regarding what little i know and believe is going on...whats outlandish about that? The whole football forum community thrives on debate about half truths/rumours/paper talk etc...its part and parcel of being a football fan, you will never know the full truth....so in essence near enough every question is hypothetical.

cheers

rob

 

[LeicsTricky]

David Pleat was in place and was working for the club before Billy Davies.

Billy was fully aware of the system and workings of the club before he took the job, Billy should get on with his job and let the rest of the people at the club do what they are employed to do.

I am starting to understand the Derby fans and the points of view that they hold on Mr Davies.

I am fully behind Billy at the minute and understand that things may be frustrating but as he keeps saying progress is what he has been brought in to do and this will be measured at the end of the season so lets build stability and progress with David Pleat and the transfer committee as so far all the signings we make to me seem to be full of the potential that this club needs right now.

 

[RICH1977]

I dont like this pleat bussiness one little bit, to me it looks like a move to try and keep billy on a tight leash and stop him doing anything to radical, and have someone of a football background in place just incase billy walks.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

I've already put my views in the other thread about this but in short Pleat is here regardless of who does or doesn't like it so everyone concerned should be doing their best to make it work and we should be supporting the system. Lots have criticised it without even knowing what it is and before it's had a chance to be implemented. It could lead to us winning every remaining game this season or losing every game, both unlikely but who knows until it's up and running.

As someone already mentioned if we had 9/10 points so far nobody would care so lets just see where it goes first.

 

[doggboy]

Pleat has been there for quite some time now and for me it hasn't worked...that's why we've been in the position we have for many years, because Nigel Doughty (although i think he is a fan at heart and has done good things at the club) has made some glaring errors regarding management/boardroom decisions.
Its time to get back to basics and let one man manage the team...while Pleat is advisor/director/kerb crawler ;D (title is irrelevant) it will always undermine Billy who will also use it as leverage in the press when things aren't going his way.
Could anyone give me an example of when a director of football/advisor appointment has been accepted by management and worked consistently over a sustained period of time? I can't think of to many.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Pleat has been there for quite some time now and for me it hasn't worked...that's why we've been in the position we have for many years, because Nigel Doughty (although i think he is a fan at heart and has done good things at the club) has made some glaring errors regarding management/boardroom decisions.
Its time to get back to basics and let one man manage the team...while Pleat is advisor/director/kerb crawler ;D (title is irrelevant) it will always undermine Billy who will also use its as leverage in the press when things are going his way.
Could anyone give me an example of when a director of football/advisor appointment has been accepted by management and worked consistently over a sustained period of time? I can't think of to many.

He's not been in the current position that long relatively speaking and is now in a completely new position if it's more hands on.

I'd say in an advisory role regarding transfers he's been very good. Look at the players we've signed since the formation of the transfer panel and those before. He is generally believed to have been influential in deals for Gunter, Davies/Cohen, McSheffery and Majewski probably more.

Doughty has widely acknowledged he isn't the most knowledgable when it comes to football either which is why he wants Pleat there to give him advice and guidance, he won't be running the team or anything like that he's just a bit of insurance against stupid mistakes.

Do not confuse being an advisor with a director of football either they are nothing alike and this may be where you're getting your worries from.

 

[Red J]

He should go. Let the manager manage!

 

[Tutts]

I love the fact so many people want him to leave yet nobody really knows what he does.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

I love the fact so many people want him to leave yet nobody really knows what he does.

But that's what Billy told them to think.

 

[doggboy]

He's not been in the current position that long relatively speaking and is now in a completely new position if it's more hands on.

I'd say in an advisory role regarding transfers he's been very good. Look at the players we've signed since the formation of the transfer panel and those before. He is generally believed to have been influential in deals for Gunter, Davies/Cohen, McSheffery and Majewski probably more.

Doughty has widely acknowledged he isn't the most knowledgable when it comes to football either which is why he wants Pleat there to give him advice and guidance, he won't be running the team or anything like that he's just a bit of insurance against stupid mistakes.

Do not confuse being an advisor with a director of football either they are nothing alike and this may be where you're getting your worries from.

Fair point mate i understand where your coming from and yes they have been good signings but regardless of what i think of how good signings have been or what position were in (This has nothing to do with our start to the season as i feel were in a false position and been unlucky in certain games) I always have/will believe that the manager should be the only person responsible for signings/outgoings, And what are we all wanting? stability and unity...but nothing coming out of the club suggests that, And it all emanates from David Pleats current position at the club.
I didn't hear to many Derby fans complaining about BD when he took them up, There will always be bitterness from all sides when there is an acrimonious split.

rob

 

[doggboy]

I love the fact so many people want him to leave yet nobody really knows what he does.

Regardless of his role/title his current position at the football club is causing unrest that is for certain...Billy obviously doesn't like him being there and is detracting from Billy getting the job done how he wants to...so Pleat needs to go :mellow:

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Fair point mate i understand where your coming from and yes they have been good signings but regardless of what i think of how good signings have been or what position were in (This has nothing to do with our start to the season as i feel were in a false position and been unlucky in certain games) I always have/will believe that the manager should be the only person responsible for signings/outgoings, And what are we all wanting? stability and unity...but nothing coming out of the club suggests that, And it all emanates from David Pleats current position at the club.
I didn't hear to many Derby fans complaining about BD when he took them up, There will always be bitterness from all sides when there is an acrimonious split.

rob

I agree to a point with that but I think that method now more than anything is outdated. I think at every club a few people will be involved and have to ok transfers some are just more public about it at the moment than others. I think having the transfer panel including Pleat also brings stability to the club rather than not. If Billy gets another job offer which he takes or we decide to let him go then we have a team of people who are still looking at potential targets in the meanwhile, who know the squad and know what it needs. This doesn't mean that the manager is outside of the loop or anything but it means we keep scouting dossiers and players can be submitted for the new mans opinion. Nobody will be signed without the managers permission whatever happens though.

I sound a bit like I'm just trying to say the opposite of what you think at the moment which I just want to let you know I'm not. I'm not trying to put you down or anything as I'm sure you're not me we both want whats best for the club but seem to have different opinions of what that is!

 

[oz]

Majewski = highlight of season so far = a pleat find!
Gunter = our best defender = pleat instrumental
Cohen = player of year 09 = pleat instrumental

 

[Rhods]

Pleat is an eejit. I have no idea whether he is the reason we've failed to sign defenders, but the fact that he is an eejit is enough to convince me that he should be got rid of.

 

[TheDude]

Pleat is an eejit. I have no idea whether he is the reason we've failed to sign defenders, but the fact that he is an eejit is enough to convince me that he should be got rid of.

I'll go along with that.