Set Pieces

[Johnny Bravo]

Has anyone else noticed that so far this season deliveries into the box from dead ball situations, especially corners have been rather poor?

We have McGugan, Cohen and Majewski who are supposedly set piece takers yet everything seems to be overhit or fails to beat the first man. At the risk of making it sound easier than it is why don't we get many good deliveries in comparison to the teams we are playing?

The problems seems to have been about for a while which was less of a concern before as we didn't really have anything to aim at. We know from our time in League One that when a delivery finds someone like Morgan or Chambers we have a good chance of scoring but we're up against better defences now so the deliveries have to be better to find them.

We play a lot of corners short, I think a few too many. It's good to have the odd one to drag defenders out of the box and keep them guessing at what is coming but a lot of them we seem to mess about with and just seem to get closed down making the cross into the box more difficult.

We have people like Adebola, McGoldrick and Blackstock now to add to the centre backs coming on so good deliveries from corners could get us a couple of goals a game especially when you consider we also have Garner battling in there and Earnshaw pouncing on any knock downs.

I was watching Chelsea at the weekend and noticed in this game as well as their last that they had a man placed in front of the defending teams first man. When the delivery was underhit there was someone there still to win the ball an flick it on so the chance of an effort on goal wasn't lost. I think we should encourage something like this as balls into the box can only be a good thing and even if the person only flicks on once it's one more chance in the match that might cause a difference.

We also seem to have hit the wall with just about every attacking free kick this season so far which is frustrating although the little worked thing against Watford looked good and seemed to confuse their defence.

Am I being a bit too critical or does anyone else think out set piece play isn't good enough at the moment?

 

[adam09]

Poor would be an understatement. Haven't seen Majewski take too many, but Cohen and McGugan's corners have been absolutely shocking, with pretty much every single one hitting the first man. It's not hard, from a dead ball, to at least get it somewhere into the centre of the box. For a professional to do it maybe 1/10 is quite frankly disgusting.

Coincidence that this down turn in fortunes started when Commons left?

 

[It's Baggio]

Raddy hit a good one on Saturday which was well saved.

We scored from Camp's free kick, so maybe he should take corners?

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Raddy hit a good one on Saturday which was well saved.

We scored from Camp's free kick, so maybe he should take corners?

I thought that too. Or Tyson or Lynch seeing as they can at least cross in open play.

 

[adam09]

I also hate it when we float free kicks in from dangerous positions on the pitch. No, no, no! Every free kick should be whipped in with pace, towards the far post. We've all seen how many times the slightest of touch from anyone will result in a goal, it happens allllll the time.

 

[JtheNorwegianRed]

I also hate it when we float free kicks in from dangerous positions on the pitch. No, no, no! Every free kick should be whipped in with pace, towards the far post. We've all seen how many times the slightest of touch from anyone will result in a goal, it happens allllll the time.

 

[birkin youth]

I don't know if it really counts as a 'set piece', but we are also pretty bad at throw-ins.

For some reason, we lack the ability to make space, and often we look like we have to scrap to retain possession. I noticed it against the better sides last season, they seem to have more organised 'plays' that they employ compared to the ways in which we (fail to) utilise throw-ins.

 

[adam09]

Our throw ins usually consist of 2 or 3 of our players standing on the spot, surrounded by 6 defenders. To make space, you must move

 

[Al LeftLion]

Defending corners is daft this year as well, we always have everyone back for them. Meaning they can throw more players forwards. We should leave arnie and tyson up when defending corners so they have to keep more defenders back and when we clear the corner it gives us at least some chance of winning the ball before it gets played back in again.

 

[adam09]

Yes, we've been doing that for a while. Bloody stupid. West Brom left THREE players up, across the half way line, to attempt to win the ball, should it be cleared. When we clear, it, it comes straight back. I just cannot understand why you would bring the whole team back, what benefit does it bring other than perhaps crowding the box by an extra 1/2 players.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Defending corners is daft this year as well, we always have everyone back for them. Meaning they can throw more players forwards. We should leave arnie and tyson up when defending corners so they have to keep more defenders back and when we clear the corner it gives us at least some chance of winning the ball before it gets played back in again.

Now that would be a scary front line!

 

[Rich]

Genius!

 

[Benchwarmer]

McKenna is also a set-piece taker.

 

[windmill]

Has anyone else noticed that so far this season deliveries into the box from dead ball situations, especially corners have been rather poor?

We have McGugan, Cohen and Majewski who are supposedly set piece takers yet everything seems to be overhit or fails to beat the first man. At the risk of making it sound easier than it is why don't we get many good deliveries in comparison to the teams we are playing?

The problems seems to have been about for a while which was less of a concern before as we didn't really have anything to aim at. We know from our time in League One that when a delivery finds someone like Morgan or Chambers we have a good chance of scoring but we're up against better defences now so the deliveries have to be better to find them.

We play a lot of corners short, I think a few too many. It's good to have the odd one to drag defenders out of the box and keep them guessing at what is coming but a lot of them we seem to mess about with and just seem to get closed down making the cross into the box more difficult.

We have people like Adebola, McGoldrick and Blackstock now to add to the centre backs coming on so good deliveries from corners could get us a couple of goals a game especially when you consider we also have Garner battling in there and Earnshaw pouncing on any knock downs.

I was watching Chelsea at the weekend and noticed in this game as well as their last that they had a man placed in front of the defending teams first man. When the delivery was underhit there was someone there still to win the ball an flick it on so the chance of an effort on goal wasn't lost. I think we should encourage something like this as balls into the box can only be a good thing and even if the person only flicks on once it's one more chance in the match that might cause a difference.

We also seem to have hit the wall with just about every attacking free kick this season so far which is frustrating although the little worked thing against Watford looked good and seemed to confuse their defence.

Am I being a bit too critical or does anyone else think out set piece play isn't good enough at the moment?

Majewski couldn't beat the first man with his corners against watford, which was frustrating, you raised a good point with regards to a man on the near post, however i think that they practice the flick on, forest could implement this???

 

[Marshall.]

Our corners have always been shit

 

[Bridgfordred79]

Our corners have always been s**t

Not true, in 05/06 and 06/07 Southall put in corners and Brecks more often then not scored from them.

Wasnt Reid quite good at corners?

 

[T.B.T.]

Inevitably, Corner = Goal kick :

Correct me if I'm wrong, only the best corner taker in my recent knowledge, other than the defected sheep lover, was Nicky Southall. Since then, I think it's been something we need a lot more practice at.

 

[Flaggers]

Has anyone else noticed that so far this season century deliveries into the box from dead ball situations, especially corners have been rather poor?

...more accurate... :wink:

 

[thetfordred]

Has anyone else noticed that so far this season deliveries into the box from dead ball situations, especially corners have been rather poor?

We have McGugan, Cohen and Majewski who are supposedly set piece takers yet everything seems to be overhit or fails to beat the first man. At the risk of making it sound easier than it is why don't we get many good deliveries in comparison to the teams we are playing?

The problems seems to have been about for a while which was less of a concern before as we didn't really have anything to aim at. We know from our time in League One that when a delivery finds someone like Morgan or Chambers we have a good chance of scoring but we're up against better defences now so the deliveries have to be better to find them.

We play a lot of corners short, I think a few too many. It's good to have the odd one to drag defenders out of the box and keep them guessing at what is coming but a lot of them we seem to mess about with and just seem to get closed down making the cross into the box more difficult.

We have people like Adebola, McGoldrick and Blackstock now to add to the centre backs coming on so good deliveries from corners could get us a couple of goals a game especially when you consider we also have Garner battling in there and Earnshaw pouncing on any knock downs.

I was watching Chelsea at the weekend and noticed in this game as well as their last that they had a man placed in front of the defending teams first man. When the delivery was underhit there was someone there still to win the ball an flick it on so the chance of an effort on goal wasn't lost. I think we should encourage something like this as balls into the box can only be a good thing and even if the person only flicks on once it's one more chance in the match that might cause a difference.

We also seem to have hit the wall with just about every attacking free kick this season so far which is frustrating although the little worked thing against Watford looked good and seemed to confuse their defence.

Am I being a bit too critical or does anyone else think out set piece play isn't good enough at the moment?

very good point , it dismays me to see the ball not clear the first defender and get cleared , someone should make a late run from one corner of the six yard box to the other and try and time it so they arrive in front of the closest defender to the corner as the ball is delivered, i used to do this all the time (obviously only at non-league level) but it was extremely effective for corners that fell short as i'd win the majority of balls that came there , someone like garner would be ideal for this as defenders would not see him as a priority to mark as they would with adebola etc , i'm surprised it isn't seen as a key area for corners by attacking teams.

 

[adam09]

Aye Nicky Southall was superb at corners and free kicks, as was Commons. Clingan was ok at them too.