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Geoff Thomas
Doesn’t really say anything new, just more feeding into the narrative that the Anderson transfer has massively inflated the market.. ignoring Chelsea, Liverpool etc
Sean Dyche
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JonnoSnr
Jack Armstrong
Before he joined (and within the first few weeks) I thought he always came across as a salt of the earth type who the common fan could relate to.
However before long it seems more and more the case that he's actually a bluffer and also comes across highly arrogant. In the end I couldn't stand listening to his 'skinny jeans flared jeans' bullshit mixed in with the odd Clough anecdote for PR purposes.
Unless it's pure desperation the man is finished at the top level.
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JonnoSnr
Jack Armstrong
Let me guess before I watch it...
Does he absolve himself of all responsibility?
Get a subtle dig in at the players and/or recruitment? Possibly justified there I'll give him that...
Use the phrase "I've been doing this a long time" or words to that effect?
Mention Brian Clough?
Say "me and my staff"?
Interrupt whoever is speaking to him at least 10 times?
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
I don’t think Forest fans are fussy on style of play which is what he is implying.
We have spent the best part of 2 decades playing pragmatic football. Generally the fans are patient with it & accept it, a lot more than other fan bases.
I think fans grew impatient with his football because it was laughably simplistic & one dimensional, not because it wasn’t easy on the eye. It’s another example of him seeing in his own eyes he’s blameless. At least Ange openly says every time it was all his fault when he talks about Forest.
jack744
First Team Squad
He's a complete charlatan, a very wealthy guy who has spent a long time making money in the top league but masquerading as "one of the lads" by talking about how much he loves a curry and a beer, and other down-to-Earth stuff he knows people will lap up.
Blaming everyone else for his shortcomings, bemoaning the state of modern football. And all just covering up the fact he has an increasingly poor record of actually delivering anything on the pitch.
He's the Farage of the footballing world.
Ewan Husami
First Team Squad
Again, the Everton fans told us all this. Amazing how our blind hope that it would be any different ignored them.
2nd only to Megson in my personal opinion, and all very predictable
2nd only to Megson in my personal opinion, and all very predictable
Project Zeus
Steve Chettle
Spinning a club maximising value on a sale as "inflating the market" is so weird.
Red Ray's Redlist
Geoff Thomas
I agree with the Everton fans part, a bit like we were told about Vlach but didn't listen, but worse than imPostecoglu, McLeish, Pratt and Hughton is taking it too far.
Aussie Forest
Viv Anderson
f*** the ginger ****. I’d rather drag my nuts through broken glass than hear him open his mouth again.
jack744
First Team Squad
I'll admit to having my doubts but then being won over by his first press conference, like all the other mugs! I think we were all just so desperate to try and rescue what should've been one of our most enjoyable seasons ever.
Ewan Husami
First Team Squad
I did say personal. I've always disliked Dyche, seeing him standing on the touchline with half his finger up his trumpet whilst we bimbed crosses into nobody absolutely boiled my piss
Trentend90
A. Trialist
Got to blaming fans as per, arrogant thin skinned tosser.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
I think he was ultimately the manager who kept us up. Despite the impact being a lot more short term than most people imagined (a lot on here were saying they'd be happy to have Dyche for the season but not after) and tactically he'd probably lost it a few weeks before he did - those Everton games did not do him any favours at all - as well as the players not being in (which is as good a reason as any to get rid) he did turn around the club after the Ange time and try and get back some organisation... but it was probably right to get rid when we did. Vitor was still at Wolves when we got rid of Ange and probably we wouldn't have got him then so it would probably have been someone else like Benitez or Mancini at the time - might that have ended differently? We won't know but he did play a part in the season not being a total disaster, so probably nowhere near Megson.
What if he was opening his mouth to take your nuts?
Col Steve Austin
Geoff Thomas
Which is ironically what his voice sounds like.
Trentend90
A. Trialist
VP kept us up though. Results were trending downwards
with him at the helm and he'd obviously lost the dressing room, would he have kept us up if he had stayed until the end of season? Tough to say.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
It's unanswerable. Personally I think he would have but it wouldn't have been as comfortable as under VP and that also we wouldn't have gone as far in the EL to save the league campaign, probably we would have stayed up by the last day or maybe just before. I think it's also fair to point out that under VP the early league performances (Brighton, Liverpool etc) were as unconvincing as the ones under Dyche, and that he managed to get the first result v Spurs, and then the ones after were because Burnley were bad, and also because Chelsea were in a mess, and that outside of that (apart from the Sunderland match) performances weren't that good either.
What is true is that the early part of the Dyche era we did claw ourselves out of the relegation zone and stay there.
Aussie Forest
Viv Anderson
My tea bags might actually clear his throat
JonnoSnr
Jack Armstrong
At the time I thought yes (although still supported the sacking). But in hindsight I think the pressure brought on from West Ham, Leeds and Spurs all having very good form for teams battling the drop would've seen us crumble.
We weren't to know then that we'd need quite so many points. From the point SD was sacked West Ham earned 15 points from 12 games and Spurs got 12 from 12 which are ratios that are both above what has been generally needed to survive. I'm not sure we'd have had enough the way we were going and there's absolutely no chance we'd have got 18 points like we ended up getting.
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Rzar
Bob McKinlay
I don’t think it’s difficult to say. He wouldn’t have kept us up because everyone had enough of him. There was no revival to be had because he would have continued to do the same things which alienated & frustrated everyone involved with the club.
In the end 14 points from the final 13 games was required - the only way we would have got that under Dyche is if we completely fluked a few wins like we did against West Ham. Mood is half the battle, he was a complete mood vacuum.
In the end 14 points from the final 13 games was required - the only way we would have got that under Dyche is if we completely fluked a few wins like we did against West Ham. Mood is half the battle, he was a complete mood vacuum.
From the point at which Dyche left the club it's the three wins in a row at Burnley, Sunderland and Chelsea that kept us up
And personally given how we performed away at the likes of Everton I can't say with any certainty that we'd have won even one of those games under SD, let alone all three
And personally given how we performed away at the likes of Everton I can't say with any certainty that we'd have won even one of those games under SD, let alone all three
Chairman Mo
First Team Squad
We can only guess, but the trajectory was suggesting relegation. More tellingly, his chit-chat since indicates he wasn't for changing anything and it was all the media/the fans/MGW's fault. Trajectory wasn't gonna change with that outlook.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
It's difficult to say. We did beat West Ham and Spurs as well as Wolves once, but then we also drew with Wolves and lost to Leeds in the reverse fixtures.
As well as that we beat Liverpool and Brentford and drew with Arsenal and Man U when Dyche was here.
So we did get results but the situation was definitely declining. Dyche did also have a habit with previous clubs of getting the results when it mattered.
There's a chance Dyche would have won at least 2 of those because Chelsea were in a mess and Burnley had basically given up. But even in those matches, Chelsea missed a penalty, and I think had a goal disallowed, and we were losing to Burnley before coming back.
At least we are talking about this hypothetical - because the alternative one "we got relegated and if we had sacked Dyche in February would we have stayed up" is more unthinkable.
Carlos
Massive Member
Brand spanking new manager who's a proven winner, the wonderful honeymoon period of the sexy portugeezer and people are still trying to claim that ginger fraud was in any way a good manager.. despite every single fan of any club he's worked at saying he was shite... Give it up guys
Trentend90
A. Trialist
If a forthright an individual as EM who is ultimately your boss asked your opinion on Dyche I struggle to see what the players could have said. He'd engendered zero loyalty for the players to go into bat for him and got what he deserved.