Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
I can’t speak for any one else, but I think the atmosphere at the City Ground reflects the cavalier attitude of the Club to us fans.
And the lack of consistency on the pitch from a number of players.
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Sean Dyche
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And the lack of consistency on the pitch from a number of players.
FLC
Viv Anderson
The ppg comparison between Ange, Dyche and VP at the end of the season will be interesting. At the moment it looks like history could be re-written.
My apologies, I thought you were referring to people on here.
We can be a 12th man in the ground and support should be wholehearted and full, it is not good to see crowds turn on managers. It definitely happened to Postecoglu when he was in the process of getting 1 point from his tenure and it happened to Dyche when we are not putting away teams we thought we should.
Unfortunately social media, of which this forum is a part, plays a role in exacerbating problems and spreading dissent quicker.
Lee
Lurker of shadows
It works both ways though, the team under cooper was full of effort and wanted to win, it just suffered from a lack of talent. Whereas this one has more talent but sometimes look disinterested.
The fans get energy from the team and the team gets energy from the fans. All it takes is one thing to break the cycle
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
If they're clearly the wrong choice then there is no time which is too early.
Ange clearly wasn't, but even he had the credit in the bank of winning the EL last season and coming 5th in the season before. Plus his overall style when it clicks is free scoring and what we probably want to see.
Vitor doesn't have that. All we have is 10 straight losses or whatever it is with Wolves at the start of the season and 3 straight losses now for us
GaryCrosbysStepOver
Geoff Thomas
I suspect we’ll conclude - as we ponder trips to Leicester and Lincoln - that losing Nuno was negligent/mental, and that all 3 replacements were a big step down.
andover red
Grenville Morris
And this is why stats are a load of bollocks if you choose them selectively. Vitor had credit in the bank from the season before too, when he did a great job at Wolves. And the context of the sale of assets at Wolves in the summer is a major factor that you've also chosen to ignore.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
It also doesn't help the fans have constantly been told to be more ambitious by the owner too.
I do remember posting a couple years back that there'll come a time we regret that, and pushing ticket prices up which turns crowd more touristy. Depressing how easy it is to predict how Forest's meltdown would occur.
Yep cant quite remember what the prices were in 22/23 but its fair to say if you add on 50% and tell people not to have loser attitudes, then their levels of expectation are going to be raised.
Interesting post-Forest interview, not much accountability, and apparently one of the sticking points definitely was that he was working the players too hard. I do agree with his point being 'why is that a bad thing?', but at the same time, if you're overworking players to the point where they're tired in games, or too mentally tired in games to do the creative stuff, then you're definitely wrong.
Chappers85
Can't Play Left-Back
There's a fine line I suppose between working hard and knowing when to ease off. Human beings are very good at dealing with stress and pressure in small doses, it can be a great motivator. But too much for too long, you become overwhelmed. This is possibly why he got good results initially.
But even those early days, I remember after the Liverpool win he made some jokey comment in an interview that the players asked if they could have a rest the next day, and he said no, they'll learn. I wonder whether there were early seeds of resentment there. Hard work is important but there also needs to be a purpose behind it and players need to be appreciated when they do well. I think his Boxer attitude of 'Must work harder' just doesn’t suit modern players.
We'll never know if Dyche would have kept us up. He'll argue if we go down that we were in the relegation zone when he took over, got us out of it and kept us out of it, and then was sacked unfairly. What I will say is that he's proved that he is exactly what everyone thinks he is - a very limited manager who isn't capable of adapting to having better players. It's ugly, and it's okay in the short term if it works. But it really felt like it wasn't working. I like the bloke but I think we made the right decision because I do think we would have gone down under him. I think we still probably will but it was probably worth rolling the dice one more time.
Cureboy
Geoff Thomas
Presenter "They spent a lot, £160 odd million"
Sean Dyche "yes but look at who they bought though"
Enough said.
Our first XI is competitive. Outside of that it's not Premier League quality.
Sean Dyche "yes but look at who they bought though"
Enough said.
Our first XI is competitive. Outside of that it's not Premier League quality.
GregorRobertson
Jack Burkitt
Fair.
Monkman
John Robertson
And yet we've already seen that one player he basically refused to give a fair go is absolutely equipped to play at this level, in Jair Cunha.
If we learnt anything from his time, it's that it's never Sean's fault.
If we learnt anything from his time, it's that it's never Sean's fault.
Fitzcarraldo
Ian Storey-Moore
He blames everything but the boogie.
GregorRobertson
Jack Burkitt
Also fair.
I guess there are different ways of doing things as a manager, and I guess the way Dyche has done things has worked for him throughout his entire career, it also became very apparent to me, that the majority of his gameplan seemed to be reliant on the mantra - 'if we're fitter than them, we've got a good chance of winning.' But once that wore off, you just saw that he was incredibly limited as a manager, and had no idea what to do to change things.
I always think back to what Joe Worrall said about Steve Cooper after the play-off final, he said "He checks up on how the players are doing on their days off, he's such a nice bloke, He's just killed us with kindness" You get the sense a lot of our players need the belief in their abilities and skills and the kindness approach rather than the angry PE teacher approach of Dyche.
I always think back to what Joe Worrall said about Steve Cooper after the play-off final, he said "He checks up on how the players are doing on their days off, he's such a nice bloke, He's just killed us with kindness" You get the sense a lot of our players need the belief in their abilities and skills and the kindness approach rather than the angry PE teacher approach of Dyche.
mysteryduck
First Team Squad
He has some perfectly good points, that the results weren't that bad overall, and that the summer transfers didn't give us any players who could step in and perform from day one.
But the constant "football these days!" stuff is so boring. If you want to be a manager you have to deal with the situation as it is, not as you think it should be.
But the constant "football these days!" stuff is so boring. If you want to be a manager you have to deal with the situation as it is, not as you think it should be.
JonnoSnr
Jack Armstrong
Which makes his over-working of the players even more stupid.
Surely if you know you can't rely on the reserves you don't try and work the first team until they break.
JonnoSnr
Jack Armstrong
Yoda: "That is why you fail".
isaacs
Jack Armstrong
An arrogant, self serving, bluffing dinosaur of a manager and frankly the kind of twat i f***ing hate to have to listen to in any walk of life (you don't get an opinion with these pricks).
Whats wrong with "hard work"? Jesus Christ. When it becomes noticeable to the punter in the stands that your players technical and physical levels are plummeting because of your running on top of trying to juggle a Europa League campaign with the Premier League. Elite footballers don't complain about working hard, they complain about being worked so hard that the teams general performance is suffering because of it.
And the balls on him to say that he wouldn't give his opinion on what fans do in their line of work so they shouldn't pretend they know what its like to manage is his classic gaslighting on an industrial scale "Believe not what your eyes tell you that saw in that game, but what Dychey tells you saw"
And his mates in the media just keep on churning the Dyche propaganda machine - its amazing to see.
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
He still is in denial that he was to blame for running us into the ground, shackling our creative players and having the wingers crossing too early.
And another doing pretty well in Germany currently, if he was given more of a chance he may still have been here.
Trentend90
A. Trialist
He moans and whines a lot for such an apparent tough old schooler. The classic gives it out but can't take it.
Trentend90
A. Trialist
He moans and whines a lot for such an apparent tough old schooler. The classic gives it out but can't take it.