Scottish Scouting Network Rejected

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gibbo8

First Team Squad
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/more-scottish-football/exclusive-nottingham-forest-board-reject-billy-davies-plan-for-scottish-scouting-network-1.991659

When Nottingham Forest won back-to-back European Cups in 1979 and 1980, Brian Clough’s sides boasted a host of Scottish footballing talent.

McGovern, Burns, Robertson, Gemmill, O’Hare, Gray – Cloughie knew their worth. Now, however, the chances of the Coca-Cola Championship side doing any future business in Scotland would appear to be slim indeed.

It’s a sad reality for a club with a rich heritage of Scottish players, but Forest are not alone.

The days when successful English clubs filled were with precocious and aggressive Scots are gone in the top flight where the leading four sides are now almost totally bereft of tartan talent.

Billy Davies, the Notting­ham Forest manager, said yesterday his recommendation that the club install a new scouting structure in Scotland has been rejected by his board.

Although the former Mother­well manager will continue to monitor the SPL by listening to friends and associates, he was unable to convince club directors that significant investment north of the border was worthwhile. It is a view which runs contrary to the fact there has been a significant influx of players from Scotland who have been a success in the Championship over recent seasons.

“I did go to the board with a plan to put a Scottish scouting network in place. I had spoken to the relevant people and the structure was ready to get up and running but the board felt it could not be justified,” said Davies.

“It was their sentiment that there is not the talent coming through in Scotland to justify such a network although, I must stress, that is not my belief. Obviously we are now sitting in a play-off place and we are now looking at players in market places that will help take us to the next step. But I continue to have a good few people in the Scottish game who keep me appraised of talent coming through and I know it is there. I speak to these people on a regular basis and I remain very much aware of what is
going on in the Scottish game.”

While Davies is believed to have retained an interest in Hamilton’s young midfielder, James McArthur, the Forest side that thrashed Leicester City 5-1 last weekend to move third in the Champion­ship was without a single Scot in its ranks although it containted a handful of Welsh and Irish players.

Despite his side boasting an average age of just 23 – the youngest in the Championship – Davies once again appears to be concocting a promotion formula.

“I am very pleased with the progress we have made and the fact that we are at present sitting in a play-off place, however if we finish the season in high to mid-table, then I will be more than satisfied.

“The primary aim last season was to consolidate in the Championship. The next stage in this team’s development was to make sure we become more competitive and achieve a higher level of consistency home and away. This has allowed us to climb the table.

“With almost half of the season gone we have more than achieved that but it is still a very young side. That means you are going to get a bit of inconsistency but it also means that this is a team that is learning and is going in the right direction.”

“But whether it was at Preston where we went to a play-off final or at Derby where we won promotion we have appreciated that you need to build a side over a number of seasons to get up to the Premiership and then if you make the jump you have pretty much got to start again to remain there.”

The attractive nature of his side’s football has in turn meant the return of the Forest faithful in their droves to the City Ground.

Davies said: “The 5-1 victory over Leicester was particularly satisfying for a number of reasons. Firstly, the way we play at Forest is very important to both myself and my staff. We are aware of the legacy that Brian Clough left and how his great teams played football.

“The Nottingham Forest fans are very knowledgable and they know what they want from their side and if you look at the goals we scored against Leicester I would hope that reflects the way we play football. But you also have to be able to shut-up shop as well as entertain.

“We have Swansea City coming to the City Ground this weekend and they are just a place and a point behind us so we are in a spell where every game is a big one but then the Championship is very much like that.

“I am totally satisfied and immersed in the job I am doing at Nottingham Forest. I have said all along that this is a huge club and one where the ambition and expectation exceeded the Championship. I am excited about trying to realise these challenges and taking this football club back to where it belongs.”
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Interesting..
 
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andy1236660

A. Trialist
handful...of irish players?

coming to the city ground?

wtf
 
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petaco

Banned
a lucky escape for you lot. Case in point...Bob Malcolm. Last seen in Australia after being banned from driving over here for parking his car in the middle lane of the M1 while trying to sleep off a heavy night on the booze.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbyshire/7215117.stm

Drunk footballer was asleep on M1

Bob Malcolm signed for Derby from Rangers in 2006
Derby County player Bob Malcolm has been banned from driving for 20 months after he was found asleep in his Range Rover parked in the middle of the M1.
Malcolm, 27, was breathalysed when police were called to reports of a car parked between junction 28 and 29 near Tibshelf, Derbyshire, on 27 December.

The former Scotland B international admitted to being unfit to drive through drink.

Derby County said he had been suspended pending an internal investigation.

A roadside breath test found Malcolm had consumed twice the legal drink-drive limit, Chesterfield Magistrates' Court heard.

He had claimed he was "overtaken by tiredness" and felt it was appropriate to come to a standstill.

The midfield player, who was on loan at London club Queens Park Rangers at the time, was fined £750 and ordered to pay costs of £75.

He also agreed to take a drink-drivers' rehabilitation course.
 
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RedSector

A. Trialist
Most interesting that Billy thinks Swansea are coming to the City Ground this weekend! I wonder if that's also why he missed the Sheff Utd match?! :wink:
 
goatboy

goatboy

Grenville Morris
Having been to Tibshelf services recently I'd say parking in the middle lane is a more aesthetically pleasing and safe means of having a rest break than going to the services themselves. Tiredness can kill, etc.
 
PSR

PSR

Geoff Thomas
The Board Rejects Billy's Plans

EXCLUSIVE: Nottingham Forest board reject Billy Davies’ plan for Scottish scouting network

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport...s-plan-for-scottish-scouting-network-1.991659

Published on 11 Dec 2009

When Nottingham Forest won back-to-back European Cups in 1979 and 1980, Brian Clough’s sides boasted a host of Scottish footballing talent.

McGovern, Burns, Robertson, Gemmill, O’Hare, Gray – Cloughie knew their worth. Now, however, the chances of the Coca-Cola Championship side doing any future business in Scotland would appear to be slim indeed.

It’s a sad reality for a club with a rich heritage of Scottish players, but Forest are not alone.

The days when successful English clubs filled were with precocious and aggressive Scots are gone in the top flight where the leading four sides are now almost totally bereft of tartan talent.

Billy Davies, the Notting­ham Forest manager, said yesterday his recommendation that the club install a new scouting structure in Scotland has been rejected by his board.

Although the former Mother­well manager will continue to monitor the SPL by listening to friends and associates, he was unable to convince club directors that significant investment north of the border was worthwhile. It is a view which runs contrary to the fact there has been a significant influx of players from Scotland who have been a success in the Championship over recent seasons.

“I did go to the board with a plan to put a Scottish scouting network in place. I had spoken to the relevant people and the structure was ready to get up and running but the board felt it could not be justified,” said Davies.

“It was their sentiment that there is not the talent coming through in Scotland to justify such a network although, I must stress, that is not my belief. Obviously we are now sitting in a play-off place and we are now looking at players in market places that will help take us to the next step. But I continue to have a good few people in the Scottish game who keep me appraised of talent coming through and I know it is there. I speak to these people on a regular basis and I remain very much aware of what is
going on in the Scottish game.”

While Davies is believed to have retained an interest in Hamilton’s young midfielder, James McArthur, the Forest side that thrashed Leicester City 5-1 last weekend to move third in the Champion­ship was without a single Scot in its ranks although it containted a handful of Welsh and Irish players.

Despite his side boasting an average age of just 23 – the youngest in the Championship – Davies once again appears to be concocting a promotion formula.

“I am very pleased with the progress we have made and the fact that we are at present sitting in a play-off place, however if we finish the season in high to mid-table, then I will be more than satisfied.

“The primary aim last season was to consolidate in the Championship. The next stage in this team’s development was to make sure we become more competitive and achieve a higher level of consistency home and away. This has allowed us to climb the table.

“With almost half of the season gone we have more than achieved that but it is still a very young side. That means you are going to get a bit of inconsistency but it also means that this is a team that is learning and is going in the right direction.”

“But whether it was at Preston where we went to a play-off final or at Derby where we won promotion we have appreciated that you need to build a side over a number of seasons to get up to the Premiership and then if you make the jump you have pretty much got to start again to remain there.”

The attractive nature of his side’s football has in turn meant the return of the Forest faithful in their droves to the City Ground.

Davies said: “The 5-1 victory over Leicester was particularly satisfying for a number of reasons. Firstly, the way we play at Forest is very important to both myself and my staff. We are aware of the legacy that Brian Clough left and how his great teams played football.

“The Nottingham Forest fans are very knowledgable and they know what they want from their side and if you look at the goals we scored against Leicester I would hope that reflects the way we play football. But you also have to be able to shut-up shop as well as entertain.

“We have Swansea City coming to the City Ground this weekend and they are just a place and a point behind us so we are in a spell where every game is a big one but then the Championship is very much like that.

“I am totally satisfied and immersed in the job I am doing at Nottingham Forest. I have said all along that this is a huge club and one where the ambition and expectation exceeded the Championship. I am excited about trying to realise these challenges and taking this football club back to where it belongs.”
 
dbarraclough

dbarraclough

Viv Anderson
Re: The Board Rejects Billy's Plans

I'm getting the feeling that Billy needs a Jock at the club to feel more at home. Fergie has it in Fletcher and that helps to explain our interest in Jamie mackie at Plymouth.
 
Billy Hunt

Billy Hunt

First Team Squad
Re: The Board Rejects Billy's Plans

PSR said:
EXCLUSIVE: Nottingham Forest board reject Billy Davies’ plan for Scottish scouting network

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport...s-plan-for-scottish-scouting-network-1.991659

Published on 11 Dec 2009

When Nottingham Forest won back-to-back European Cups in 1979 and 1980, Brian Clough’s sides boasted a host of Scottish footballing talent.

McGovern, Burns, Robertson, Gemmill, O’Hare, Gray – Cloughie knew their worth. Now, however, the chances of the Coca-Cola Championship side doing any future business in Scotland would appear to be slim indeed.

It’s a sad reality for a club with a rich heritage of Scottish players, but Forest are not alone.

The days when successful English clubs filled were with precocious and aggressive Scots are gone in the top flight where the leading four sides are now almost totally bereft of tartan talent.

Billy Davies, the Notting­ham Forest manager, said yesterday his recommendation that the club install a new scouting structure in Scotland has been rejected by his board.

Although the former Mother­well manager will continue to monitor the SPL by listening to friends and associates, he was unable to convince club directors that significant investment north of the border was worthwhile. It is a view which runs contrary to the fact there has been a significant influx of players from Scotland who have been a success in the Championship over recent seasons.

“I did go to the board with a plan to put a Scottish scouting network in place. I had spoken to the relevant people and the structure was ready to get up and running but the board felt it could not be justified,” said Davies.

“It was their sentiment that there is not the talent coming through in Scotland to justify such a network although, I must stress, that is not my belief. Obviously we are now sitting in a play-off place and we are now looking at players in market places that will help take us to the next step. But I continue to have a good few people in the Scottish game who keep me appraised of talent coming through and I know it is there. I speak to these people on a regular basis and I remain very much aware of what is
going on in the Scottish game.”

While Davies is believed to have retained an interest in Hamilton’s young midfielder, James McArthur, the Forest side that thrashed Leicester City 5-1 last weekend to move third in the Champion­ship was without a single Scot in its ranks although it containted a handful of Welsh and Irish players.

Despite his side boasting an average age of just 23 – the youngest in the Championship – Davies once again appears to be concocting a promotion formula.

“I am very pleased with the progress we have made and the fact that we are at present sitting in a play-off place, however if we finish the season in high to mid-table, then I will be more than satisfied.

“The primary aim last season was to consolidate in the Championship. The next stage in this team’s development was to make sure we become more competitive and achieve a higher level of consistency home and away. This has allowed us to climb the table.

“With almost half of the season gone we have more than achieved that but it is still a very young side. That means you are going to get a bit of inconsistency but it also means that this is a team that is learning and is going in the right direction.”

“But whether it was at Preston where we went to a play-off final or at Derby where we won promotion we have appreciated that you need to build a side over a number of seasons to get up to the Premiership and then if you make the jump you have pretty much got to start again to remain there.”

The attractive nature of his side’s football has in turn meant the return of the Forest faithful in their droves to the City Ground.

Davies said: “The 5-1 victory over Leicester was particularly satisfying for a number of reasons. Firstly, the way we play at Forest is very important to both myself and my staff. We are aware of the legacy that Brian Clough left and how his great teams played football.

“The Nottingham Forest fans are very knowledgable and they know what they want from their side and if you look at the goals we scored against Leicester I would hope that reflects the way we play football. But you also have to be able to shut-up shop as well as entertain.

“We have Swansea City coming to the City Ground this weekend and they are just a place and a point behind us so we are in a spell where every game is a big one but then the Championship is very much like that.

“I am totally satisfied and immersed in the job I am doing at Nottingham Forest. I have said all along that this is a huge club and one where the ambition and expectation exceeded the Championship. I am excited about trying to realise these challenges and taking this football club back to where it belongs.”
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Do we?
 
PSR

PSR

Geoff Thomas
RedSector said:
Most interesting that Billy thinks Swansea are coming to the City Ground this weekend! I wonder if that's also why he missed the Sheff Utd match?! :wink:
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No reflection on Billy - Knock the Journo.
 
RedMark

RedMark

Viv Anderson
Re: The Board Rejects Billy's Plans

PSR said:
The attractive nature of his side’s football has in turn meant the return of the Forest faithful in their droves to the City Ground.
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Bit of a contradiction there. Surely if they are ' faithful ' they would never have left in the first place? I'm sure we have decent gates through the years anyway haven't we ?


PSR said:
“The Nottingham Forest fans are very knowledgable and they know what they want from their side and if you look at the goals we scored against Leicester I would hope that reflects the way we play football. But you also have to be able to shut-up shop as well as entertain.
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Can't really argue with that though ;D
 
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Re: The Board Rejects Billy's Plans

this the end, my old friend, the end
 
PSR

PSR

Geoff Thomas
Re: The Board Rejects Billy's Plans

Noel said:
this the end, my old friend, the end
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Cheer up my old son - cheer up, it's your birthday soon. :cheers:
 
PSR

PSR

Geoff Thomas
Re: The Board Rejects Billy's Plans

Noel said:
this the end, my old friend, the end
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You're not thinking of.........................
 
PSR

PSR

Geoff Thomas
Re: The Board Rejects Billy's Plans

VanHooijdonks Son said:
you're sick PSR....SICK
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No - I got rid of that nasty cold a few weeks ago and I can tell you now I'm feeling quite FIT!!! - Again.
 
weasel

weasel

Grenville Morris
why would there be justification for making significant investment in scouting scottish youngsters ahead of any other European nation, such as Poland or Norway? Other than the fact wee Billy is a Scotsman himself, but as far as I can see Scottish football is currently as low as it's every been. Predictably I applaud the board for not pandering to his every whim. The current formula is working wonderfully, no need to start letting him off his leash to be frivolous with the finances just yet, or in fact ever.
 
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Leftfull

Youth Team
Re: The Board Rejects Billy's Plans

“We have Swansea City coming to the City Ground this weekend and they are just a place and a point behind us so we are in a spell where every game is a big one but then the Championship is very much like that"


HORSESHIT....
 
PSR

PSR

Geoff Thomas
Re: The Board Rejects Billy's Plans

Leftfull said:
“We have Swansea City coming to the City Ground this weekend and they are just a place and a point behind us so we are in a spell where every game is a big one but then the Championship is very much like that"


HORSEs**t....
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Your point being?
 
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