Rafa IS NOT Mir here anymore!

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

It depends on what you mean by signing. Literally, Mir was not a bad signing, at the time he was signed. He played in a position where you needed someone, and his basic attributes were OK. As far as the planning is concerned, he was not a bad signing.

It turned out to be a bad transfer, because he didn't contribute much. But you can't always attribute a bad transfer to recruitment. To this day, it is simply beyond my grasp how you can still call Soudani a shit signing, simply because the guy got a terrible, career-ending injury.

By bad signing I mean doesn't do what's required. Mir was an awful signing because he didn't backup Grabban in any remotely useful way at all, and was a liability when standing in for him - which was the main requirement of someone in that role.

How anyone can say that a striker who didn't score, didn't hold the ball up, ran away from the ball when it came to him, and offered 0 in 90% of the games he played wasn't a bad signing is beyond me.

Sounadni was a shit signing because it was a significant amount of money for a player who's game was based around physicality, and yet who was aging and having to adapt to a new league, which is a huge test pf physicality for someone at an age where he's more likely to get injured & break (like he did)

 

[GreeksBearingGifts]

By bad signing I mean doesn't do what's required.

You could have stopped right there. Our definitions don't match, so I'm talking about apples and you're talking about oranges.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

You could have stopped right there. Our definitions don't match, so I'm talking about apples and you're talking about oranges.

But we should be considering more than what you define.....

"He played in a position where you needed someone, and his basic attributes were OK. As far as the planning is concerned, he was not a bad signing."

They didn't take into account his experience, mentality, or readiness to play at this level etc. etc. It's basic stuff IMO.

It's not a bad signing if the criteria you set for signing players is amateur level stuff, and you're not aware of what's required to succeed at this level. Which Modesto clearly hasn't been.

 

[GreeksBearingGifts]

But you need to consider more than what you define.....

"He played in a position where you needed someone, and his basic attributes were OK. As far as the planning is concerned, he was not a bad signing."

They didn't take into account his experience, mentality, or readiness to play at this level etc. etc. It's basic stuff IMO.

It's not a bad signing, if your not aware of what's required to succeed at this level. Which Modesto clearly hasn't been.

After a transfer has failed, it is extremely easy to come up with reasons why it failed. Soudani got injured? Aha, Modesto did not factor in that this league is too damn hard for a foreigner (although Soudani never had an injury in his entire career and was built like a horse). Mir did not play well? Aha, Modesto failed to realize that an inexperienced player doesn't have what it takes to survive in this league (funny how Wolves recruitment thought him suitable for the Premier).

If completely different players had been signed and they had failed, it would still be very easy for you to find reasons why recruitment was terrible: Raphael Mire, Championship veteran, born and bred in Nottinghamshire? Shit signing, we needed a young, hungry substitute for Grabban.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

After a transfer has failed, it is extremely easy to come up with reasons why it failed. Soudani got injured? Aha, Modesto did not factor in that this league is too damn hard for a foreigner (although Soudani never had an injury in his entire career and was built like a horse). Mir did not play well? Aha, Modesto failed to realize that an inexperienced player doesn't have what it takes to survive in this league (funny how Wolves recruitment thought him suitable for the Premier).

If completely different players had been signed and they had failed, it would still be very easy for you to find reasons why recruitment was terrible: Raphael Mire, Championship veteran, born and bred in Nottinghamshire? Shit signing, we needed a young, hungry substitute for Grabban.

Finally, you're getting it with the difference between this league and the fanny leagues abroad :cheers:

Wolves signed Mir permanently to develop. We signed him for 1 year to get us up. Both are two totally different scenarios. Young and hungry when there here on cheap wages, and have years to develop here? I'm all for that. Developing a kid on loan for 1 year? Doesn't benefit us in the slightest. Pointless and a hinderance on a genuine promotion push.

You're right, it is very easy to find why recruitment was terrible. Because it's been terrible.

 

[Ravi]

Finally, you're getting it with the difference between this league and the fanny leagues abroad :cheers:

Wolves signed Mir permanently to develop. We signed him for 1 year to get us up. Both are two totally different scenarios. Young and hungry when there here on cheap wages, and have years to develop here? I'm all for that. Developing a kid on loan for 1 year? Doesn't benefit us in the slightest.

You're right, it is very easy to find why recruitment was terrible. Because it's been terrible.

Why do clubs in the lower leagues like Lincoln keep signing our youngsters on loan if it doesn’t benefit them in the slightest?

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Why do clubs in the lower leagues like Lincoln keep signing our youngsters on loan if it doesn’t benefit them in the slightest?

Because it's an easier league where they get more time & space to develop, and the pressure isn't on them from their top brass to get promoted as much as it is from ours.

Maybe MJX will correct me, but from what I'm aware of Lincoln's culture is far more patient on the whole than ours.

 

[Tobias]

I often think about seeing Harry Kane playing for Leicester and thinking how average he looked. Little did we know he would go on to be one of the best strikers in the world. Back then if anyone had suggested he might become a world class player it would have seemed laughable.

Kane looked bang average in all of his loan spells before his run in the first team at Spurs - under Tim Sherwood, if I recall correctly?

I'd have never thought Mir could have made it in La Liga based on his appearances for Forest, but clearly there's a player in there. He had an awesome game against Valladoid.

 

[Ravi]

Because it's an easier league where they get more time & space to develop, and the pressure isn't on them from their top brass to get promoted as much as it is from ours.

Maybe MJX will correct me, but from what I'm aware of Lincoln's culture is far more patient on the whole than ours.

I completely disagree. The average tenure of managers is actually shorter than the Championship in League 1, and League 2 is comparable. There’s pressure all the way down.

The Championship is an easy League with more time and space than the Premier League, and the gulf is wider.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I completely disagree. The average tenure of managers is actually shorter than the Championship in League 1, and League 2 is comparable. There’s pressure all the way down.

The Championship is an easy League with more time and space than the Premier League, and the gulf is wider.

From Appleton's mouth himself......


THE CHALLENGE OF THE 2020/21 SEASON:
Having finished in 16th place with 42 points based on their points per game in Sky Bet League One, Appleton has his sights set on a higher placed finish for Lincoln in the upcoming campaign.

When asked about his goals for next season, Michael Appleton said: “The easy one to that is to try and improve and to finish higher than what we did last year.

“Budget wise we don’t know where we are going to stand in relation to everyone else that is in the league, but first and foremost i’ll be delighted if we’re competing in the top half of the division. There is going to be 24 teams in the league this year and if we’re challenging from number 12 upwards then it just gives us a really good base to kick on from.

“I signed a three-and-a-half-year deal and this is the first opportunity to get a full season under my belt. If we don’t go up or get in the play-offs this year, would it be a disaster? Absolutely not – it depends on the development of the players we have in the building. If we can have a very good season this year and be competitive, if we can keep these players in position then the following season you never know, we might not be talking about play-offs, we might be talking about going up automatically.”

Nothing like the situation at Forest mate. Thus one of the reasons our loans are given time & space to breath & bed in properly.

Mir could have done that he had he arrived on a permeant under a different owner. But that wasn't, and isn't, the culture & setup which our overlords embrace.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Won't let me edit the post, but Appleton & Lincoln seem to be embracing & developing the type of plan, attitude & culture which some of us (including myself) wanted EM to when he arrived.

They now sit top of their league, with Jorge Grant and Brennan Johnson two of their top scorers, and are reaping the rewards for that more realistic, less greedy approach.

 

[Ravi]

From Appleton's mouth himself......


THE CHALLENGE OF THE 2020/21 SEASON:
Having finished in 16th place with 42 points based on their points per game in Sky Bet League One, Appleton has his sights set on a higher placed finish for Lincoln in the upcoming campaign.

When asked about his goals for next season, Michael Appleton said: “The easy one to that is to try and improve and to finish higher than what we did last year.

“Budget wise we don’t know where we are going to stand in relation to everyone else that is in the league, but first and foremost i’ll be delighted if we’re competing in the top half of the division. There is going to be 24 teams in the league this year and if we’re challenging from number 12 upwards then it just gives us a really good base to kick on from.

“I signed a three-and-a-half-year deal and this is the first opportunity to get a full season under my belt. If we don’t go up or get in the play-offs this year, would it be a disaster? Absolutely not – it depends on the development of the players we have in the building. If we can have a very good season this year and be competitive, if we can keep these players in position then the following season you never know, we might not be talking about play-offs, we might be talking about going up automatically.”

Nothing like the situation at Forest mate. Thus one of the reasons our loans are given time & space to breath & bed in properly.

Mir could have done that he had he arrived on a permeant under a different owner. But that wasn't, and isn't, the culture & setup which our overlords embrace.

I don’t care what Appleton says to the media. I don’t care about Lincoln’s plan. See also Brentford. You’re going off the point.

League 1 and League 2 clubs take our players on loan because they think it will benefit them. The same applies to Championship clubs like us taking loans from the big league above. Loans benefit both clubs and the player, otherwise they wouldn’t happen.

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

Finally, you're getting it with the difference between this league and the fanny leagues abroad :cheers:

Wolves signed Mir permanently to develop. We signed him for 1 year to get us up. Both are two totally different scenarios. Young and hungry when there here on cheap wages, and have years to develop here? I'm all for that. Developing a kid on loan for 1 year? Doesn't benefit us in the slightest. Pointless and a hinderance on a genuine promotion push.

You're right, it is very easy to find why recruitment was terrible. Because it's been terrible.

We loaned Mir for a year but he went back in January.

 

[Haych]

I wouldn’t care if he won balon dor in a year he was a donkey for us f*** him

 

[Otis Redding]

6 goals in 21 games from him in a shite league? No chance.

Whatever he's done in 1 game, or goes on to do in several years, for us, where we were at, and what we needed he was truly awful.

He was with us for 1 year, and in that year failed to show any remote sign of being able to do any of the things required of him. He's the very definition of a terrible signing.

Forgive me for bringing an observation to this thread after seeing him play last night that doesn't quite accord with your long-held narrative Alf, but your comments are duly noted all the same.

I will, however, strongly dispute your opinion that the top league in Spain is a "shite league". In fact, that remark is too laughable to even offer a sensible response to.

 

[Dan_Bristol]

Scored a beauty in Laliga top 5 goals of the week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/56339907

We were not worthy.

 

[cheapseats]

Won't let me edit the post, but Appleton & Lincoln seem to be embracing & developing the type of plan, attitude & culture which some of us (including myself) wanted EM to when he arrived.

They now sit top of their league, with Jorge Grant and Brennan Johnson two of their top scorers, and are reaping the rewards for that more realistic, less greedy approach.

It’s the distinction between “trusting the process” and not worrying about the outcome (classic sports psychology) and looking at results as the be all and end all. You can’t do both. Truth is the former works if applied properly and with patience, perspective and sone realism. Problem is however poor results loose managers (and staff) their jobs, often egged on by the same supporters who like to think they are broader minded but can’t cope when their club isn’t at the top end of the league...

 

[adam09]

7 in 25 for a team at the bottom is not too bad.

 

[Tobias]

7 in 25 for a team at the bottom is not too bad.

A better scoring record this season than Grabban or Taylor, and at a higher level.

If only the club had stuck by promising young talents like Rafa Mir and Tyler Walker. We'd have been in the Premier League years ago.

 

[adam09]

A better scoring record this season than Grabban or Taylor, and at a higher level.

If only the club had stuck by promising young talents like Rafa Mir and Tyler Walker. We'd have been in the Premier League years ago.

Well steady on there

I see your point, we perhaps could have kept one of them, with them being young. It's the old precious commodity of time though isn't it. We need goals now.

 

[Tobias]

Just scored against Barcelona.

 

[Senior Flange Technician]

And missed from yard, chests over the bar.

 

[Statto]

Just scored against Barcelona.

A penalty

 

[Senior Flange Technician]

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[Statto]

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Wow, I could have scored that with my peen, HOW did he even miss that?