Quit the scapegoating please...

[king_congo_red]

...I know it's traditional, but can we just avoid blaming our failure on one or two players please? I know Camp, Morgan and Perch may have had lapses that resulted in goals last night, depending on your opinion - but over the course of the season, these three, along with most of the rest of the squad have played a full part in one of our best seasons in recent memory.

So, could we please avoid the annual scapegoat hunt, just this once?

Cheers.

 

[cknu]

...I know it's traditional, but can we just avoid blaming our failure on one or two players please? I know Camp, Morgan and Perch may have had lapses that resulted in goals last night, depending on your opinion - but over the course of the season, these three, along with most of the rest of the squad have played a full part in one of our best seasons in recent memory.

So, could we please avoid the annual scapegoat hunt, just this once?

Cheers.

This

 

[Special Agent Dale Cooper]

I might bail out for a few months, one of the best seasons in 10 years and people are still moaning.

Have a good world cup guys, I'll see you for pre-season rumours.


Lord Wotton

p.s Congo, I couldn't see Mrs C's rack anywhere last night - gutted.

 

[Kier]

Perch's mistakes cost us three goals over the course of the tie which lead to our defeat so any criticism of him is fair and warranted.

Earnshaw and Majewski are the only players who played well yesterday the rest of them were poor.

 

[king_congo_red]

p.s Congo, I couldn't see Mrs C's rack anywhere last night - gutted.

The rack was on display. T1, Row O...

...you musn't have been looking hard enough lol

 

[matt1982]

Congo

Perch was poor last night and cost us goals. Yes I know he was out of position again, but you say he has done well rest of the season, well I disagree as for the most part he has been second choice and only filled in when needed, much like he has done all his career. The reason being, he makes mistakes and isn't up to it especially when it comes to big games. He also gave the penalty away in the first game, that's why I say, this 'average' player who has been sort of riding along on a crest of medicority, should be moved on if we're continue to progress. Tyson is another of this sort of ilk.

I'm not blaming Camp or Morgan who otherwise have had outstanding seasons, though the likes of Cohen, Majewski, McKenna (due to being unfit), Blackstock were also under par last night.

The only players to come out of it with any real credit were Earnshaw and Gunter.

 

[king_congo_red]

Congo

Perch was poor last night and cost us goals.

Matt, I'm not saying that anyone can dispute that Perch made mistakes last night. What I am saying is that we shouldn't blame him for not being promoted.

The fact is, he's played in many games this season, many out of position...he's never thrown his toys out of the pram about not playing in his best postion, hes always been a good professional who sets a great example to the youngsters at the club and does everything the manager asks of him, within his abilities, regardless of peoples opinions of what those abilities are.

In a division where teams regulalry and specifically target weak spots, if he were as bad as some make out, we would not have been the third best team in the league. Football is a team game, we shouldn't be picking on individuals and blaming everything on them.

Need I remind many of you that the abuse which was screamed in Wes Morgan's direction after the Yeovil game and look how he came back a better player afterwards?

 

[matt1982]

Matt, I'm not saying that anyone can dispute that Perch made mistakes last night. What I am saying is that we shouldn't blame him for not being promoted.

The fact is, he's played in many games this season, many out of position...he's never thrown his toys out of the pram about not playing in his best postion, hes always been a good professional who sets a great example to the youngsters at the club and does everything the manager asks of him, within his abilities, regardless of peoples opinions of what those abilities are.

In a division where teams regulalry and specifically target weak spots, if he were as bad as some make out, we would not have been the third best team in the league. Football is a team game, we shouldn't be picking on individuals and blaming everything on them.

Need I remind many of you that the abuse which was screamed in Wes Morgan's direction after the Yeovil game and look how he came back a better player afterwards?

You talk about him 'not being able to play in his best position' - well, what is his best position? The answer is he doesn't have one - he has been average/poor in all the positions he's ever played in. The only one you might say is his best/most natural would be right back, but he's clearly and rightly well behind Gunter for that position.

And whilst you say football is a team game, which I wholly agrees with, in big, tense games it is often individuals, who are prone to mistakes, that cost you - Perch is one of those, whether you like it or not.

I do take your point about Morgan though, and I hope, for Forest's and Perch's sake that he has the same sort of reaction.

All, in all though we weren't good enough over the 2 legs as a team, but were really not helped by poor, naive mistakes from certain individuals (and not just Perch).

 

[Jonathan]

Perch's mistakes cost us three goals over the course of the tie which lead to our defeat so any criticism of him is fair and warranted.

Earnshaw and Majewski are the only players who played well yesterday the rest of them were poor.

Wouldn't agree with that. Raddy was alright, but he was overrun by the Blackpool midfield for much of the game and his slight stature was shown up once again.

Earnie and Wes are the only players who can hold their heads really high after last night.

 

[gladiator]

Matt, I'm not saying that anyone can dispute that Perch made mistakes last night. What I am saying is that we shouldn't blame him for not being promoted.

The fact is, he's played in many games this season, many out of position...he's never thrown his toys out of the pram about not playing in his best postion, hes always been a good professional who sets a great example to the youngsters at the club and does everything the manager asks of him, within his abilities, regardless of peoples opinions of what those abilities are.

In a division where teams regulalry and specifically target weak spots, if he were as bad as some make out, we would not have been the third best team in the league. Football is a team game, we shouldn't be picking on individuals and blaming everything on them.

Need I remind many of you that the abuse which was screamed in Wes Morgan's direction after the Yeovil game and look how he came back a better player afterwards?

Hi Mate, of course you can blema Perch because above all else he single-handedly through a mixture of poor positional awareness and a continuous supply of very bad passing and tackling put us under Immense pressure he alone cost us atleast 3 goals, It doesn't matter what preceded this game or how he has played since being reinstated the fact of the matter is , in this particular game or should i say over the 2 games when it really mattered,he has been by far the worst culprit and his mistakes have led to our demise.

I know other players haven't performed McKenna being one of the main ones that stand out but James Perch's actions have led to us being defeated, i would also partion some the blame to Billy Davies for playing him when others where available like Lynch who i don't rate either but could of done a better job and is more solid gets forward and can actually cross a decent ball, over all Forest got what they deserved last night and we have to live with that, i know i will, well time moves on and so should i, here is hoping for a much changed squad for next season where the likes of Perch won't be present.

Having said all that i still want to say "well done to blackpool and well done to Forest for a great season and some of the best football we have seen down the city ground for a long while :cheers:

 

[king_congo_red]

You talk about him 'not being able to play in his best position' - well, what is his best position? The answer is he doesn't have one - he has been average/poor in all the positions he's ever played in. The only one you might say is his best/most natural would be right back, but he's clearly and rightly well behind Gunter for that position.

Well, if you believe what Billy said much earlier in the season, then Perch is a centre-back. Can anyone remember him actually playing there though?

 

[matt1982]

Well, if you believe what Billy said much earlier in the season, then Perch is a centre-back. Can anyone remember him actually playing there though?

Hmm....well we have no idea do we, as he's never played there, despite Billy saying that at one point earlier in season. I'm not so sure he's got the presence/physical stature to play there anyway. And in any case he'd be behind Morgan, Wilson and Chambers in the queue.

Think about it, how long has Perch been at Forest now? A long time. How many different managers has he played under? And he's never been able to hold down one position- What does that tell you?

He's always been regarded as Forest's 'Mr Versatile' - but really what that equates to is Jack of all trades, master of none.

 

[king_congo_red]

Hmm....well we have no idea do we, as he's never played there, despite Billy saying that at one point earlier in season. I'm not so sure he's got the presence/physical stature to play there anyway. And in any case he'd be behind Morgan, Wilson and Chambers in the queue.

Think about it, how long has Perch been at Forest now? A long time. How many different managers has he played under? And he's never been able to hold down one position- What does that tell you?

He's always been regarded as Forest's 'Mr Versatile' - but really what that equates to is Jack of all trades, master of none.

Well, indeed. But if I think back he did have a very good run as a holding midfielder under Megson, where he did play consistantly well over a long-period...(or was it that he just looked good because of the crap surrounding him?). Plus I can remember many times this season (Newcastle game in particular) where he's made some unbelievably good tackles. Plus there was the Charlton cup game a few season back where he really did have a good game as a right-winger.

I'm convinced there's a good player in there somewhere...

 

[birdboot]

I blame the government.

Brown resigned at half time last night so we played the second half with Cameron as PM.

Bloody Tory bastards.

 

[steppan]

I think it has to be said that Perch's best position is DM, because lets face it he can tackle when need be but he also needs somebody behind him to clean up when he doesn't quite manage it.

I've been getting annoyed at him for the play-offs as I think he was responsible for too many goals we conceeded, but i don't think we should sell him as he is very versatile. He may not be able to hold down a position but who is to say that is a bad thing? look at Man Utd's O'shea, can't hold down a position but still regarded very good cover.

 

[steppan]

I blame the government.

Brown resigned at half time last night so we played the second half with Cameron as PM.

Bloody Tory bastards.

lol

 

[adam09]

Perch is a tackling centre midfielder, always has been, and his best performances have been ther. The fact he is always out of position when playing defence is enough proof. Even when he played well against Newcastle, he was always behind the player chasing backwards - he spent the entire match running towards our goal! I do like Perchy, but he's never been a defender and doesn't read the game like one and I've never understood why people have seen him as a defender.

 

[DanR]

I blame the government.

Brown resigned at half time last night so we played the second half with Cameron as PM.

Bloody Tory bastards.

We never win playoff semi finals under a Tory government. The bastards.

 

[Daniel]

I think Chambers should've played ahead of Perch last night.
I think Boyd should've played ahead of Tyson last night.
I think We should have played 4-3-3 with Garner, Earnie and Dexter up front.

What do I know I'm merely a fan, but I could be excused to say that playing McKenna was a risk and our players lost their heads when it was needed most. However out of this comes experience and hindsight. The next time this happens, they will remember and I suspect the mistakes will not be repeated.

 

[Lee]

Well, if you believe what Billy said much earlier in the season, then Perch is a centre-back. Can anyone remember him actually playing there though?

Burnley away.

Never again.

 

[king_congo_red]

I think Boyd should've played ahead of Tyson last night.

I'd have gone with Boyd too. He's a big game player who raises things up a notch when the pressure is on...

I do hope we sign him permanently and that Billy would have more faith to actually, you know, pick him after a pre-season of Big Bad Billy fitness work.

 

[yam]

I blame Congo for posting this thread.

Its all your fault.

 

[Lee]

I'd have gone with Boyd too. He's a big game player who raises things up a notch when the pressure is on...

I do hope we sign him permanently and that Billy would have more faith to actually, you know, pick him after a pre-season of Big Bad Billy fitness work.

I doubt he will be signed, he has obviously not done enough in training to impress Billy.

 

[king_congo_red]

I blame Congo for posting this thread.

Its all your fault.

Big bad Congo_Red is big enough to take the flak.

 

[yam]

Big bad Congo_Red is big enough to take the cock.

:hey: