Proposed stadium - where we stand

Eastwood Red

Grenville Morris
By Mark Arthur

I think the time has come for me as Chief Executive of Nottingham Forest Football Club to explain the club's stance on a proposed new stadium in tandem with Nottingham's bid process as a World Cup venue.

There is a particular need to answer the misleading - and at times outrageous - statements that have been made in recent days about the project.

To do that it is necessary for me to explain the history of the issue since we started out - with professional help - about six years ago to consider the long-term future of The City Ground.

We are aware that The City Ground is perfectly operational but major redevelopment will have to take place in the next 10-20 years to maintain it to the standards we and our supporters expect and underline our determination and ambition to remain in the forefront of English football.

We have realised for many years that in order for the club to move forward for the benefit of future generations and the prosperity of the football club, we either had to develop the stadium or look into the possibility of relocating.

Two years ago we were approached by a developer to see if we as a club wanted to become part of a major development at Clifton.

We agreed to look at the possibility of being involved but it quickly became apparent that this location was too far from the city centre and would affect not only our supporter base but also any potential economic impact from staging major matches at this particular venue.

There have been other football clubs who have moved out of their town and lost an element of their identity and that consideration is very much in the forefront of our thoughts.

Then, following the announcement of Nottingham's World Cup bid we were presented with an opportunity to look at the potential of relocating to a new state of the art stadium and at the same time providing our fans with a once in a lifetime experience of seeing the very best international football in Nottingham.

With that in mind we have been working with Rushcliffe Borough Council, Nottingham City Council and Nottinghamshire County Council for the last six months to give Nottingham every opportunity of playing its part in staging the largest sporting event in the world. Yes, this is bigger than the Olympics.

On receiving the FIFA requirements, via the bid team, it soon became apparent that the current City Ground would in no way be compliant to the infrastructure and facilities that were needed.

We then commissioned Benoy, a Newark-based world-wide firm of architects, to look at The City Ground with fresh eyes with regard to the possible redevelopment.

Their findings confirmed the views we had received previously from another group of architects and Benoy also reported to the bid team that the only option would be for us to move to another site.

The England 2018 bid team's own architects Populus, who were architects for the Olympic Stadium as well as the Emirates, agreed with this conclusion.

We could only move as part of a sustainable urban extension with development that would support the construction of a new stadium.

While we have reviewed, along with local authorities, other possible sites over recent years (including Holme Pierrepont), it was felt that the only realistic place was to relocate to a site south east of the A52 which has been referred to as Gamston.

Throughout the whole process we have received fantastic support from Jon Collins and his team at the City Council and Neil Clarke and his team at Rushcliffe Borough Council.
Both leaders have shown real determination to explore every opportunity of bringing the World Cup to Nottingham.

They both understand the strength of this unique opportunity at a time when Nottingham is looking to enhance its reputation as the capital of the East Midlands. They are mindful, too, of the competition for the bid that comes from both Derby and Leicester.

Many of us share the belief that this is a great opportunity for Forest to find a new home within a project that will provide a lasting legacy to the city. But to achieve that we had hoped all parties would be pulling in the same direction.

However, from the recent comments that Councillor Kay Cutts, leader of the County Council, has made in the media and from the dogmatic approach she took in a meeting that was held last Friday it seems evident that she is totally against the entire project.

It is clear to us all that Councillor Cutts, who has only recently come to power, has no interest in football and the fact that she continues to ignore the evidence about the non-compliance of The City Ground is just an inconvenient truth.

We can only guess what the real motivation is behind her statements and whether or not she has the support within her own party or indeed the people she represents.

Let me make it very clear that this is not a political debate between city and county or between labour and conservative. From a Forest point of view we will continue to work with the City Council and Rushcliffe Borough Council to bring the World Cup to Nottingham and explore the opportunity of the football club relocating to Gamston - with or without the County Council's support.

The County Council owns only a small proportion of the land that will be required for the proposed development at Gamston and it is not necessary for the stadium to be on their land.

We will go through the due planning process and fully engage with the community in the hope of delivering a stadium of international quality to the fans and stakeholders of Nottingham and Nottingham Forest.

The irony of this would be that the County Council's land may well also receive planning permission and produce a significant multi million pound capital receipt that the County Council can use elsewhere in Nottinghamshire.

We will continue to support the World Cup bid and I will endeavour to update you all as and when I can without breaking any confidentialities.

I have chosen to release this statement to our website, which has 260,000 unique users, as a means of reaching as many of our supporters as possible.

If you support the bid please let people know because we often only hear from the minority who have no interest in helping Nottingham and Nottinghamshire to prosper.

This is not a whim. We have been working on this for six years and when the World Cup bid came to light we saw it as an opportunity to benefit the football club and the people of Nottingham to move forward to an exciting future.

We see it as a catalyst for bringing the very best facilities and events to Nottingham - something that everyone in the area should be striving to achieve.

http://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10308~1798082,00.html
 
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Bridgfordred79

Guest
I thought that was written in a very angry and arrogant style, and doesnt send out a good message about marthur.
 

Randy Bumgardener

AKA Randy Bumgardener
Broganator said:
I thought that was written in a very angry and arrogant style, and doesnt send out a good message about marthur.

I thought it was great. To the point and with a sense of authority and knowledge on the subject. Better than having someone who dances round things and sounds like they don't know anything. As I said on the other thread

Excellent article ! Very well written and puts me in no doubt that the club are trying to distance themselves from the inner fight between councils. Very informative and blunt from Mr Arthur !

This is part of what I had been hoping to see with all recent developments. I have recently wonder why Cllr Cutts hasn't attempted to lead her own investigation into the ground improvement. Reading the relevant info available, it does begin to appear that she is provoking a lot of noise with no hard facts or support from fellow councillors to take other action rather than release statements effectively damaging the city's bid and any future plans.

Thank you Mr Arthur and Forest. More info like this please !!!
 

sedgred

Banned
I can understand why Mark Arthurs reply may well seem tetchy, he gets blamed for everything. Just read some of the comments on the boards about him, for once he is able to deflect any arrows pointed his way.
 

Randy Bumgardener

AKA Randy Bumgardener
And interestingly (stop me if I'm wrong) isn't Nigel Doughty working alongside Tory councillors being opposed by labour representatives when he is a keen donator for the labour party ? Not necassarily an effect on ground proposals but just to note.
 

RICH1977

John Robertson
after reading that I am actualy less against the new stadiium for some reason. the points made seem very viable and make sense
 

Ravi

Upper Decker
Nathan Tyson's Corner Flag said:
I thought it was great. To the point and with a sense of authority and knowledge on the subject. Better than having someone who dances round things and sounds like they don't know anything. As I said on the other thread

Excellent article ! Very well written and puts me in no doubt that the club are trying to distance themselves from the inner fight between councils. Very informative and blunt from Mr Arthur !

This is part of what I had been hoping to see with all recent developments. I have recently wonder why Cllr Cutts hasn't attempted to lead her own investigation into the ground improvement. Reading the relevant info available, it does begin to appear that she is provoking a lot of noise with no hard facts or support from fellow councillors to take other action rather than release statements effectively damaging the city's bid and any future plans.

Thank you Mr Arthur and Forest. More info like this please !!!

Completely agree and well said Martha!

***** Cutts is an arrogant, ignorant, self-serving lizard.
 

red_outlaw

First Team Squad
If it genuinely is as impossible to redevelop the City Ground as Marthur keeps suggesting, surely to get the whole of our fanbase on side the club should release the feasibility study that has been carried out in its entirety. I see no reason why this should continue to be kept under wraps, unless of course, it is not as impossible as they keep suggesting.

Labour's City Council leader clearly wants to get his hands on the prime riverside land which is why he is so keen for us to relocate and, if Kay Cutts is so sure that we can remain at the City Ground and build a new Main Stand to boost the stadium's capacity to 40,000, then she should commission a study that shows how this can be achieved. Neither side, at present, are supporting their claims with any evidence. Therefore, everything so far is little more that political rhetoric.
 

RRRREDUN

Jack Burkitt
I'm still at a loss as to why with a budget of some £100 million, we can't under any circumstances, redevelop the CG. It's a lot of money and even if we replaced ALL the stands and improved the place considerably, I can't see the figure getting anywhere near that. IF however, we are forced to move, let's make sure that as a club, we get exactly what we want at the new home. I still want the ground to be bigger than the 45,000 reducing to 38,000. I also still want hot water in the bogs.
 

Randy Bumgardener

AKA Randy Bumgardener
red_outlaw said:
If it genuinely is as impossible to redevelop the City Ground as Marthur keeps suggesting, surely to get the whole of our fanbase on side the club should release the feasibility study that has been carried out in its entirety. I see no reason why this should continue to be kept under wraps, unless of course, it is not as impossible as they keep suggesting.

Labour's City Council leader clearly wants to get his hands on the prime riverside land which is why he is so keen for us to relocate and, if Kay Cutts is so sure that we can remain at the City Ground and build a new Main Stand to boost the stadium's capacity to 40,000, then she should commission a study that shows how this can be achieved. Neither side, at present, are supporting their claims with any evidence. Therefore, everything so far is little more that political rhetoric.

This says to me that the CG development is genuinely a no go. Anyone could look for fan sites, pick up on the general consensus and say what they want to find personal support and favour. I would view her much more favourably if she did 'put her money where her mouth is, and do exactly as you suggest. Otherwise, personally I see it as a newly elected representative trying to make a name for themselves !
 

incident

Viv Anderson
red_outlaw said:
If it genuinely is as impossible to redevelop the City Ground as Marthur keeps suggesting, surely to get the whole of our fanbase on side the club should release the feasibility study that has been carried out in its entirety. I see no reason why this should continue to be kept under wraps, unless of course, it is not as impossible as they keep suggesting.
According to the City Council, they'll be publishing the "full details" of the bid on their website tomorrow, including why the CG can't be developed.
 

Ravi

Upper Decker
red_outlaw said:
If it genuinely is as impossible to redevelop the City Ground as Marthur keeps suggesting, surely to get the whole of out fanbase on side the club should release the feasibility study that has been carried out in its entirety. I see no reason why this should continue to be kept under wraps, unless of course, it is not as impossible as they keep suggesting.

Labour's City Council leader clearly wants to get his hands on the prime riverside land which is why he is so keen for us to relocate and if Kay Cutts is so sure that we can remain at the City Ground and build a new Main Stand to boost the stadium's capacity to 40,000, then she should commission a study that shows how this can be achieved. Neither side, at present, are supporting their claims with any evidence.

According to Radio Nottingham the City Council are to release detailed info tomorrow on the new stadium and re: why the CG is unsuitable. Cutts has no evidence to back up her argument. The Tory MP for Broxtowe sounded very unhappy with her in the same piece on RN.
 

Eamonn

Geoff Thomas
RRRREDUN said:
I'm still at a loss as to why with a budget of some £100 million, we can't under any circumstances, redevelop the CG. It's a lot of money and even if we replaced ALL the stands and improved the place considerably, I can't see the figure getting anywhere near that. IF however, we are forced to move, let's make sure that as a club, we get exactly what we want at the new home. I still want the ground to be bigger than the 45,000 reducing to 38,000. I also still want hot water in the bogs.
Have you not seen the price of oil now a days?
 

It's Baggio

John Robertson
Broganator said:
I thought that was written in a very angry and arrogant style, and doesnt send out a good message about marthur.

:D

He comes across as determined, informative and as though he has the best interests of Forest at heart.

Cutts however, seems like an ill-informed arse.

red_outlaw said:
If it genuinely is as impossible to redevelop the City Ground as Marthur keeps suggesting, surely to get the whole of our fanbase on side the club should release the feasibility study that has been carried out in its entirety. I see no reason why this should continue to be kept under wraps, unless of course, it is not as impossible as they keep suggesting.

Do you really think they'd lie about it? Especially as he's told us which firm of architects have looked at it.

Anyway, I'm sure I heard on the radio earlier that the City Council will be revealing more plans on Gamston and why the CG is a no-go, soon.

Anyone that still thinks the CG can be extended to hold upwards of 45,000 should have a walk around before the game on Saturday, it would be impossible without knocking down rows of houses.
 

Eamonn

Geoff Thomas
If any houses need knocking down then Im your man. I have a mini digger and a wheel barrow.

All I need is a labourer, any eastern Europeans on here needing work?
 

kennylaing

First Team Squad
Well said Mark Arthur!

Wow, I've never used that phrase before!

However there is little doubt that this project would benefit both the city and the club, much as I dread the thought of leaving the CG.
 

Ravi

Upper Decker
From a Forest point of view we will continue to work with the City Council and Rushcliffe Borough Council to bring the World Cup to Nottingham and explore the opportunity of the football club relocating to Gamston - with or without the County Council's support.

The County Council owns only a small proportion of the land that will be required for the proposed development at Gamston and it is not necessary for the stadium to be on their land.


:pray:
 

cknu

Viv Anderson
Well done M.Arthur. :clap:

As I have said all along, the key reason is the interest of the longevity and future of the club. They've explored via different architects the possibilities of extending/replacing stands at the City Ground. They have seeked partnerships with other groups to reduce costs, whether via bid teams or developers.

On this mornings interview Cutts came across as someone who had no interest and this seems to be confirmed by his statement.
 

EmJay

Stuart Pearce
I think it's probably time to accept it as fact, one way or the other, we are moving.

The club seem pretty intent on it, and I really can't see England not getting the World Cup (bearing in mind we are bidding for 2018 and 2022 so even if we miss out on 2018 they will probably give us the next one)
 

cknu

Viv Anderson
Eamonn Rocks said:
If any houses need knocking down then Im your man. I have a mini digger and a wheel barrow.

All I need is a labourer, any eastern Europeans on here needing work?

The plans said that 39 houses and two boat houses would need demolishing. They are old and may have some asbestos so maybe best get someone else to do it!
 

Eamonn

Geoff Thomas
CKnffc said:
The plans said that 39 houses and two boat houses would need demolishing. They are old and may have some asbestos so maybe best get someone else to do it!
I will be in the digger with the door and window firmly closed, so the guy on the wheel barrow better have a dust mask.
 
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