Police - Cause more trouble.

[NFFC92]

I caught the 6:37 train to Derby on friday, and I am disgusted by the way the coppers treated us.

Yes, the Forest fans did smash the train up. A few coppers came and stood amongst us to calm everything down, they weren't over the top, they just stood there. This calmed everyhing down.

However when we got to Long Eaton, a load of riot police stormed on the train and started dragging random people off the train. Obviously no one liked what was happening, so they stuck up for their fellow fans being kicked and punched by these vile creatures. Many of the people getting dragged of were innocent. One bloke stood next to me all the way, and never did anything wrong. It was bang out of order.

The actions of the coppers, resulted in fans fighting with the coppers, as they had to try and defend themselves and their fellow fans.

They must have got 15 people out side on the platform, handcuffed them, laid them on the floor, and kicked them in. We all saw it throught the window. They coppers were even laughing! Absolute joke!

That wasn't even the end of it. They then held the train for around 20 minutes, making us all 10 minutes late for kick off. Like thats going to go down well, great decision lads.

Then, after the game, I asked a police women directions to the train station. She told me the wrong b****y way. I had walked half a mile down this road only to realise we had been given false directions. I walked past this copper again and let her know how clueless she was, she just laughed.

Then for walking slightly out of line, I was shoved by a copper. I asked him if it was possible next time to just inform me I was walking in the wrong place, and ask me politly to move. He replied by saying something along the lines of "next time i'll floor you".

Honestly, I've never witnessed anything like it before. The police force has certainly gone down in my estimations.

 

[JackNighty]

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Agreed.. i was on that train where we was all getting kicked off...

BANG out of order... my mates were kicked off wasent happy at all.

 

[NFFC92]

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Also the stories I've read on here, I just can't believe they get away with it!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A46492194

 

[JackNighty]

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No disrepsect to them.. but they think thier all that and thier not,..

they think they can get away with anything.. "ill floor you" i mean what kind of comment is that? Disgrace. they will be lke the bliddy italian police soon.

 

[WatnallRed]

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There a bunch of twats that are treated poorly by a government who just is bloody useless.
They cant catch the burglers.
They cant catch the chavs beating my mate up on a friday night because none of them are on the streets.
But they kick off at the slightest chance to piss football fans.

As a young person growing into this country i see nothing but negitives..... not even when your walking through eastwood and see one once a blue moon do you get a morning or a smile but a stare....

 

[Eamonn]

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You know nothing about police brutality.

 

[Eddie]

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Its for this reason i'm glad our little party went to and from the ground via taxi. The police have been known to act like complete dickheads at previous forest v derby games. Unfortunatley there is little you can do against scum like this as they are allowed to twist the rules and get away with it.

 

[sedgred]

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There a bunch of t**ts that are treated poorly by a government who just is b****y useless.
They cant catch the burglers.
They cant catch the chavs beating my mate up on a friday night because none of them are on the streets.
But they kick off at the slightest chance to p**s football fans.

As a young person growing into this country i see nothing but negitives..... not even when your walking through eastwood and see one once a blue moon do you get a morning or a smile but a stare....

Don't confine your thinking that it is just the young who despise the Police, I absolutly detest and loathe them, It would have to be a case of unbelievably exceptional circumstances before I would even think about offering any assistance what so ever.

 

[thehockleyhustler]

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Good choice not to go on the train Andy...glad you didn't listen to me!

 

[WatnallRed]

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Don't confine your thinking that it is just the young who despise the Police, I absolutly detest and loathe them, It would have to be a case of unbelievably exceptional circumstances before I would even think about offering any assistance what so ever.

O dont worry i wasnt saying that just my age dont like them, just in my short life i can so far say iv never seen anything positive or worth doing from them.

 

[trickytrees12]

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I was on that train too and couldn't believe that it just didn't go straight through to Derby, the minute the train is Packed solid full of rowdy Forest fans, you don't stop them and try to arrest the odd few who may be causing trouble, it would make a lot more sense just to get them straight to Derby.

Whilst the fans on the train were going way OTT, especially when the police at long eaton did start kicking people off, the Police just made the hassle ten times worse, it went from a few harmless light bulbs being pulled out to a train full of very angry Forest fans. Not only that but wasn't the train load before us held up at the station, so those lot were late for kick off too, even when they were not even on the train that had all the trouble!

The policing at the league game I thought was good, on friday however it was awful, If I ever attend pride park at night again, I know how I wont be getting there.

 

[Hedges92]

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I was on the train too.

What I saw made me think of the police as scum. Booting someone handcuffed on the floor, and laughing about it! I seen people get dragged off, who had do nothing other than sing and shout like every f***er else. One lad I was speaking to, asked to get off the train. Yet soon as he stepped foot off, he got cuffed and threw up against a wall.

Then when being escorted to the ground, when we was already late, the coppers at the front kept stopping and holding us all up. The game had already started, no one else was around. They even had a chopper above us.

Because of them the mood went from a party like mood, to an angry mood. They made the situation 100 times worse.

WE ARE FOOTBALL FANS, NOT SHOCKING TERRORISTS!

 

[RRRREDUN]

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Sorry to spoil the party​

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Just thought I'd stir it up a bit to start a discussion​

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I haven't got a great deal of respect for the police either but they are a product of a crap government which makes new laws by the dozen. But.....what I object to is the attitude of fans who accept that it is all right to wreck a train/damage it. Why? The point? We all pay for it in the end! If the fans behaved, the police would. It seemed that much of the early provocation came from our fans. Think about it - surely you didn't think it would be like a first class trip with champagne to watch prince Harry play polo - did you? You must have known you'd be treated like cattle and herded to the ground. The fact is that the police don't like being 'put out' but enjoy the excitement of a brawl as much as some of our fans do. I'm afraid we often get the police and policing we deserve. If the police were kind and respectful from the start, would this have stopped the misbehaviour by a section of our fans? I think not. When an unruly, sweary, loud, aggressive group of fans are being herded to a ground, there are any number of things the police could arrest them for and charge them with. Behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace, inciting violence, vandalism etc. Too much paperwork for the police so they react by making things awkward for the fans - slowing them down, putting them out etc. By the way, Long Eaton station seems to have loads of trouble after Forest/Derby games because of the surprising numbers of sheep who live there. Surely, those who had planned to travel by train must have had a fair idea what was going to happen? Beered up, herded on train, misbehaviour, police react in a predictable way, fans get fed up and moan. Of course, some fans were totally innocent and got caught up in it!!!!

 

[Benchwarmer]

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As I said in a post after the Derby game about how fans began spitting on my back..

Even if there were to be police around and I was to confront them over it, I would've put money on the police joining the Derby fans in spitting (or worse) on a Forest fan. Infact I wouldn't be surprised if its actually happened.

Bloody disgrace, they are.

PS *1000th post ;D*

 

[Eddie]

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As I said in a post after the Derby game about how fans began spitting on my back..

Even if there were to be police around and I was to confront them over it, I would've put money on the police joining the Derby fans in spitting (or worse) on a Forest fan. Infact I wouldn't be surprised if its actually happened.

b****y disgrace, they are.

PS *1000th post ;D*

Congrats ;D

We were spat at after the game as we were waiting for our taxi,, i just wish i wasn't such a nice person or i would have decked the ****

 

[sedgred]

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When boarding the coaches in the bus park on the way back, I witnessed an incident where the police's reaction just provoked a far larger confrontation. Some sheep had to drive past the buses and the Forest fans milling around them.

One elderly man, resplendant in his back and white scarf, drives up to this group of fans and instead of waiting for them to slowly amble out of his path, he blares his horn at them....reaction....they all start singing and chanting, refuse to move and are generally high spirited.................So along eventually come's Plod, two options open as far as I could see, laugh with the fans and shepherd the car through, or turn a high spirited group immediately confrontational.

Immediate confrontation with this group, who whilst in the wrong were not really causing huge problems, as the car would have only joined an unmoving line of cars behind the stand. So instant stand off, stroppy coppers and an immediate reaction from other fans who start to flock to the incident, more plod and dogs arrive, incident then becomes a serious flash point and stand off.

In the name of all that is good, do these bastards always undergo a sense of humour bypass operation when they train at Hendon

 

[Forever Forest]

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Last time i went to PP to watch Forest, a similar incident happened to me. I live in Heanor so didnt want to go back on the train to Nottingham. After leaving the ground, all the Forest fans were hearded into an escort and marched back to the station. I know that a lot of Derby fans will hang around at the station to goad Forest fans getting onto the trains so i didnt want to get noticed and then not get on a train and be stuck there with the derby fans. I told a copper that i didnt want to go to the trains and my mother in law was picking me up from the other side of PP estate. I was with my 2 brother in law's, who were 18 and 13 at the time. The reply was 'get in ****1ng line and shut up'. All the time the derby fans walking the other way were shouting abuse, as they wernt in any kind of escort.

The coppers were being overly aggressive with people by pushing and threatning them. I thought id just get on with it and walk back to the station and ask the mother in law to divert (through 30,000 and come to the train station), obviously not a nice thought! All the time the coppers were getting more and more wound up as the fans became irrate with their heavy handed tatics. Then all of a sudden i got a huge push in the back. I didnt know who it was, it could have been a derby fan for all i know. I turned around and said '****1n hell, ok, not the wisest thing to say, but it was just a natural reaction and i didnt want anything to happen to my brother in law who was obviously scared only being 13 and had never been to an away game.

The next thing i know the copper who pushed me is hand cuffing me and arrested me for a section 5 - causing alarm and distress in a public place - or some bullshit like that. Alarm and distress, exactly what they were doing to my brother in law and other young fans around! I was chucked in to the back of a van and took to derby police station and locked in a cell for around 3 hours. I was actually pleased that it was only 3 hours as i found out that some people had been keeped in over night. The fact that i wasnt drunk helped me get out while others sobered up.

In the van the coppers were laughing & joking. Most of them were Birmingham Transport Police who had been drafted in to help with the policing operation and had little experiance in policing at football matches. As they had no experiance, they were just picking people off to get out of the firing line and get to the station to do a bit of paper work, get their double time and go home. I had to go to court were the case was basically laughed out by the judge and commeted that it has been a waste of every ones time and effort. OK, i shouldnt have sworn and i openly admitted that in court, but i gaurentee most people in the ground would have sworn at some stage during the afternoon.

My point is though, this had such an effect on my life. I was in my last year at uni and was applying for jobs, working with children. I coached children at Forest in the Community at the time aswell. I got a job as a sports development officer. A few weeks after getting the job i got a call from the school were i had got the job asking to explain why the CRB check had been sent back to them. How embarressing it is trying to expalin to a person who has just given you a job about this incident. Luckily they were brilliant about it, but i still had to wait about two months longer before i got the ok to start the job, and just because some twat of a copper wanted to get home early. Even now, when you apply for anything, car insurance, credit cards etc etc you have to declare it. Thankfully it is been over 5 years so i think it is off my record, but what an absolute joke.

Im not saying this as a knee jerk reaction as i still feel the same way now, 5 years later. I have to admit aswell my brother is a copper in Nottingham and used to police football matches. He doesnt anymore thankfully, but he openly admits that some coppers are on power trips and some will make arrests just to get an easy ticket to the station.

He policed the day that Bristol City came to town a couple of seasons ago and smashed the place up, thats when the police are doing what they are being paid for, when a bunch of pricks like that come up and smash pubs up etc. Notts pplice had no idea that City were bringing a mob with them, nor did their Bristol counterparts, so it was a bit of a suprise when 200 or so turned up and were drinking in pubs on the market square by 11.30am. Just shows how clueless the intelligence can be sometimes.

The whole situation needs reassessing IMO otherwise we are going tob get loads more problems with young people, and football fans in general resenting the police

 

[RICH1977]

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doesnt suprise tbh I can remember a sheff utd match back in the days of basset when utd fans where stood waiting for us at a tram stop this was mentioned to a copper who remarked "you either get it from them or you get it from us your choice" needless to say we made a very quick entrance past the uni into the train station where the police where more or less pushing us onto the trains in a way that could of ended in quite a few crush injurys.

on the last game of the season in the league one play off game I remember a guy being punched and dragged to the ground by forest stewards becuase he had come out of A block onto the pitch he got away and was running up the steps of the bridgford lower in a atempt to escape mr steward running behind him stupidly I thought Id position myself infornt of steward to slow him down a bit, bad idea he didnt slow he just dipeed his shoulder and luanched me backwards down the bridgford stand steps cant remember what happend next as aparently I saw red and seemed to bounce up from the floor and when after said steward to confornt him over his ott actions and the fact he didnt even stop to see if I was o.k after just falling down 20 odd concrete steps backwards, I ended up being man handled by the police and escorted out of the ground for my troubles.

half the trouble in A block over the years is a result of forests OTT heavy handed stewards.

 

[BennettGaidenSigma]

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Police cause all the trouble

Yes, the Forest fans did smash the train up.

:wub:

 

[BennettGaidenSigma]

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WE ARE FOOTBALL FANS, NOT SHOCKING TERRORISTS!

Maybe not you, but the fact is that a massive number of the knobheads at the game on Friday deserved having the coppers smash their face in.

 

[ubique]

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There's one word that screams out through reading all the above post's and thats Professionalism!

I think most people on here know what I do for a living and in a way when I'm doing my 6 month tour of whatever part of the world the government send's me to I'm usually involved in policing duties in some way or another. Not so much with Afghanistan but in the previous theatre's of operation one of our main roles has been riot/crowd control and keeping law and order.

When doing these task's we were/are in a much more hostile environment than a few hundred police officers (backed up by dog's, helicopters, snatch squads and reliable radios) further away from a safe location and without the back up available to our boys in blue at a moments notice.

However I can bet you a £ to a pinch of s**t that should a soldier use anything even close to the reported heavy handed tactics used by Notts and/or Derby police there would be a video doing the rounds, a witch hunt for the vile brutes who attacked a poor defenceless civilian lead by the Sun/News of the World or the Mirror and a string of human rights lawyers lining up to squeeze every last penny out the case!

No I'm not saying the Police had an easy time of it on Fri evening but to randomly drag innocent civilians off a train (understandable to make a few mistakes in the melee) but to then kick them (allegedly) once handcuffed and laying on the ground unable to defend themselves is an atrocity!

Hopefully the culprits will be caught and brought to justice but I think we all know that won't be happening and the CCTV cameras at Long Eaton St and the Handycams each squad were carrying were mysteriously unserviceable at that moment in time.

I too experienced the Police heavy handedness in the escort to the station after the game. During our public order we're trained to avoid potential flash points and to try and defuse any situation with compassion and a smile on our face before it goes any further and I know the Police have the same training so what that shower were playing at on Friday night I'll never know (well I do they either wanted to nick someone to get back to the Station for a coffee and a sit down or get the evening over as quickly as possible and collect that nice fat overtime paycheck! (can't blame them I'd want to do the same thing but have a bit of bloody professionalism!!!!!!)

Sorry about the rant but the state of the Police in recent times, once it was run with military precision with the majority of PC's joining after leaving the mob. But the amount of guys I know leaving the service and being turned down for the police for some snotty nosed uni graduate or an inferior candidate to fill PC targets there's no wonder the Police is in such a state

 

[winnits]

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I'm amazed that if these incidents were are brutal as being reported (and I wasn't there so am not suggesting they were or they weren't) that there aren't any mobile phone videos popping up all over the place.

Glad we got the Indigo over to Dirty, though.

 

[ubique]

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I'm amazed that if these incidents were are brutal as being reported (and I wasn't there so am not suggesting they were or they weren't) that there aren't any mobile phone videos popping up all over the place. Good point

Glad we got the Indigo over to Dirty, though. And again!

 

[Rich]

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Hmm, there is an Independent Police Complaints Commission.

If these events actually happened, and aren't embellishments dreamt up with an undercurrent of antiestablishmentarism, how come none of you have bothered to report them?

Every police officer proudly sports a number. Surely if you're witnessing 'police brutality' you would make a note of that number, perhaps on the mobile phone that you could have used to film the events, and report it.

As Eamonn said, you lot don't know the half of police brutality.

 

[dellaroc]

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Hmm, there is an Independent Police Complaints Commission.

If these events actually happened, and aren't embellishments dreamt up with an undercurrent of antiestablishmentarism, how come none of you have bothered to report them?

Every police officer proudly sports a number. Surely if you're witnessing 'police brutality' you would make a note of that number, perhaps on the mobile phone that you could have used to film the events, and report it.

As Eamonn said, you lot don't know the half of police brutality.

Or, alternatively, you could scream your complaint into a blowing glass and hope that the ghost of DCI Burnside appears, pledging to rectify the errors of his former colleagues.