Paul Smith
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winnits
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Yeah, the bastard. If he'd not been there Commons would've scored in the first half.
His old self being, um, what?
He was definitely below par but I wouldn't say awful.
His old self being, um, what?
He was definitely below par but I wouldn't say awful.
I'll have to disagree with you there, i wouldn't go as far as saying he was "awful" but he wasnt at his best. He couldn't of really done anything about the goals but his lack of communication and coming off his line shown again, all in all I think he made a couple of crucial saves and some key ball releases to Tyson.Neil Webb said:
Rich565
First Team Squad
Ho couldn't kick and his punches were powder puff.
Apart from that....
Apart from that....
Scott_nffc
A. Trialist
i think we need to try and find decent cover for smith when the loan window opens. He looked really edgy last night
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stuc
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The keeper is often only as good as the defenders in front of him, not enough talking between keeper and defenders or indeed between the defenders. I think it's a bit harsh to put all the blame on Smith, okay he's not the best at crosses but he is a good shot stopper the save from Commons in the 1st half was superb.
elisered33
A. Trialist
Lets be fair here! He has been fantastic since returning to first team action & should be thanked for his efforts to date, not slated for one off night. It was the defence who were awful lastnight & who are normally the culprits for some awful goals conceeded. PS is one of the best if not the best goal keeper in this leauge.
Rich565 said:
He struggles on his weaker foot. Everytime he fumbles a kick it is on his weaker foot. His over kicks are fine by my analysis.
Beat the halfway line by far get high upfield etc. I think the defence in front of him need to realise when under pressure they should be passing it onto his stronger foot.
He came off his line. Yes he did make a mistake of the punches but he was impeded for one of them. That was his only real mistake of the game as far as I can remember. Unless you constitute clearing a poor back pass with his weaker foot a bit badly as an error. With Smith though anything is an error.
At the end of the day I don't see where these errors cost us goals. Sure it may make us a bit nervy in the stands but if it doesn't lead to a goal then I am satisfied with what he is doing.
I do agree though a bit of back up wouldn't do the club and Smith no harm.
his distribution was awful in the 2nd half he barely found a red shirt, we need to stop hoofing it long from goal kicks and start building from the back with a short kick/throw to a red shirt, I know this means we have to play a little deeper, and will invite oppositions front men on to us but lets face it when every goal kick went to derby we where straight on the back foot anyway so what difference will it make.
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winnits
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Now Rich, I'm sure you must have noticed how the Derby forwards pushed on to our defence to prevent that (short distribution). That kind of restricts us to long kicks, which I will admit isn't Smith's strength - however, we don't have a viable target for it -- McCleary, Cohen, Tyson - they ain't players to launch a longball at.
I thought the all-round qualities demonstrated by Lee Camp would have opened more people's eyes to Smith's weakness.
He is a remarkable shot-stopper. He boasts fantastic positioning, perfect angles, superb reflexes for a tall, stiff chap etc etc. But he is utterly terrible at almost everything else.
The new regime have taught him to bowl the ball early, which I'm delighted with, but he remains hesistant and poor at kicking. He opens his mouth to deliver instructions no more than once per game, and his reluctance to leave his line leaves everybody on edge - supporters and colleagues a like.
As a goalkeeper there is no use being good at one thing and shoddy at the others. A team in our position can't afford it.
He is a remarkable shot-stopper. He boasts fantastic positioning, perfect angles, superb reflexes for a tall, stiff chap etc etc. But he is utterly terrible at almost everything else.
The new regime have taught him to bowl the ball early, which I'm delighted with, but he remains hesistant and poor at kicking. He opens his mouth to deliver instructions no more than once per game, and his reluctance to leave his line leaves everybody on edge - supporters and colleagues a like.
As a goalkeeper there is no use being good at one thing and shoddy at the others. A team in our position can't afford it.
Nick.
Once known as Nick.Doyle.nffc on 'ere.
Smith get's critized so easily, as he got to stop the ball going into the net...
Last night wasn't his best, but he did do a good save in the first half vs Commons, a strong hand to the ball.
He came out to a few crosses, his kicking wasn't the best, but when he bowled it out he was alright.
Smith has kept us in a few games this season, but still Fans slate him to hell.
Here's one.
The save in the first leg vs Derby; Hulses header.
The saves vs Man city.
I like Smith, there are some down sides to his game, thats why when Lee Camp came in, He could do the things Smith isn't the best at.
Last night wasn't his best, but he did do a good save in the first half vs Commons, a strong hand to the ball.
He came out to a few crosses, his kicking wasn't the best, but when he bowled it out he was alright.
Smith has kept us in a few games this season, but still Fans slate him to hell.
Here's one.
The save in the first leg vs Derby; Hulses header.
The saves vs Man city.
I like Smith, there are some down sides to his game, thats why when Lee Camp came in, He could do the things Smith isn't the best at.
Winnits I said:
He made one good save..
Distribution poor - Why don't he catch the ball and dominate his area ? It isn't like he is a 'small' keeper. I counted numerous times he just kicked the ball into empty space inviting them to attack us..
Granted he has made some vital saves in the past, but we need to build play from the back and I believe we will struggle to do so with him in the net.
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winnits
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I just think if you look at our team/squad as a whole then it seems odd that some of our fans seem blinkered into moaning about Smithy.
I wouldn't profess to know enough about the other goalkeepers in the Championship, so won't rate him against them.
Did I love Camp here? Yes - I didn't quite grasp why Smith was sacrificed rather than some of our clearly below-par defenders - but it worked for the good of the team, and I would have welcomed him back to provide proper competition for the #1 jersey. Because fundamentally we should have competition for places.
But let's not get carried away with Camp - he did some awesome things, I won't deny, but his positioning was suspect and a longer run in the team would've cost us more goals than the ones he did.
I wouldn't profess to know enough about the other goalkeepers in the Championship, so won't rate him against them.
Did I love Camp here? Yes - I didn't quite grasp why Smith was sacrificed rather than some of our clearly below-par defenders - but it worked for the good of the team, and I would have welcomed him back to provide proper competition for the #1 jersey. Because fundamentally we should have competition for places.
But let's not get carried away with Camp - he did some awesome things, I won't deny, but his positioning was suspect and a longer run in the team would've cost us more goals than the ones he did.
mouldy said:How was he awful?
Wilson, Chambers, McGugan, Breckin were awful
I thought Smith had an alright game if his defence had been playing then none of those goals would've gone in.
Oh my mistake it's Paul Smith... Well if it was Smith then he must've been bad.
When is Chamers good? :/
saunders:]
Viv Anderson
I hope this was just a blip and he continues with his good form and doesnt go back to how he was before camp came.
adam09
Bob McKinlay
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Watch any top goalie in the world - you will not see them coming more than 6-8 yards out to claim a cross, and rarely even out their 6 yard box, especially when there is 3 or 4 players in the way. Nor will you see them coming out of their area to clear a ball that a defender is clearly going to get to first.
Have you not seen that Spurs keeper? Why do you think he was so roundly vilified? Because he kept coming out for crosses that were too far out and they kept getting nodded into an unguarded net.
And also, most of his bad kicks are down to bad back passes. Last night, Breckin passed a ball to Smith, which was right inbetween his feet and bounced up at him... the two worst things you can possibly do! Smith put it into touch, which is fine, yet everybody goes mad at him and not the guy who played the shit pass.
Again, watch someone like Rio Ferdinand, Terry or Carragher and 99% of the time they will pass a back pass to the keeper's stronger foot where possible, and to the side, where they can freely kick the ball easily.
Such a simple thing to do, yet our defenders don't seem to do it and I put that down to coaching.
It's amazing how few errors Smith makes that lead to goals conceeded, which is surely, after saving shots, one of the most important things. The first 2 goals last night were down to bad defending by the defenders and nothing else.
Watch any top goalie in the world - you will not see them coming more than 6-8 yards out to claim a cross, and rarely even out their 6 yard box, especially when there is 3 or 4 players in the way. Nor will you see them coming out of their area to clear a ball that a defender is clearly going to get to first.
Have you not seen that Spurs keeper? Why do you think he was so roundly vilified? Because he kept coming out for crosses that were too far out and they kept getting nodded into an unguarded net.
And also, most of his bad kicks are down to bad back passes. Last night, Breckin passed a ball to Smith, which was right inbetween his feet and bounced up at him... the two worst things you can possibly do! Smith put it into touch, which is fine, yet everybody goes mad at him and not the guy who played the shit pass.
Again, watch someone like Rio Ferdinand, Terry or Carragher and 99% of the time they will pass a back pass to the keeper's stronger foot where possible, and to the side, where they can freely kick the ball easily.
Such a simple thing to do, yet our defenders don't seem to do it and I put that down to coaching.
It's amazing how few errors Smith makes that lead to goals conceeded, which is surely, after saving shots, one of the most important things. The first 2 goals last night were down to bad defending by the defenders and nothing else.
i did like camp in the forest goal, but itd certainly be interesting to see the goals against record for both keepers for this season . Camp certainly offered things that smith didnt, alot more personality and shouting at defence, but i suppose ultimately it comes down to how many they keep out of the net. In fact looking at the record of the 2 keepers for us for this season - nice and easy to compare actually as they've both played 15 league games each for us (tho smith has played all the cup games), out of the 30 we've played.
Smith - has conceded 23 in 15 = 1.533333 goals let in per game
Camp - conceded 18 in 15 = 1.2 goals let in per game
So Camp has the slightly better record, though of course smudge was in goal at the start of the season, when we were losing game after game and hadnt adapted to life in championship yet, including the 5-1 mauling at wolves, and so his job made all that much harder. So maybe that evens it out a bit.
On balance though, i'd definitely have camp in goal over smith.
Smith - has conceded 23 in 15 = 1.533333 goals let in per game
Camp - conceded 18 in 15 = 1.2 goals let in per game
So Camp has the slightly better record, though of course smudge was in goal at the start of the season, when we were losing game after game and hadnt adapted to life in championship yet, including the 5-1 mauling at wolves, and so his job made all that much harder. So maybe that evens it out a bit.
On balance though, i'd definitely have camp in goal over smith.
stuc said:
...and by the same reasoning, the defence is only as good as the keeper behind them...
adam09
Bob McKinlay
[quote='Sir' Flagman ]
...and by the same reasoning, the defence is only as good as the keeper behind them...
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Surely, if a player gets the better of a keeper, he's already been past the defence!
...and by the same reasoning, the defence is only as good as the keeper behind them...
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Surely, if a player gets the better of a keeper, he's already been past the defence!