Oliver „No Middle Name“ Glasner

[Homesick Alien]

Can we stop this BS narrative that Coventry played a low block!!! I completely disagree. Just because we were sh*t, doesn't mean they played a low block!!! We created naff all, were effectively playing with 10 men with Ndoye completely useless! I laughed my head off in the first half when he couldn't control the ball from a throw in and then whacked a cross in straight for a goal kick!!

Agree, for the first half at least we were often the ones playing deep, presumably to draw them out and spring the counter.

 

[Danga]

We waited until we were chasing the game instead of putting a system out that is better against a low block

We talk about the system a lot because they are integral to how you're going to play. The issue with back 5 is that it's almost always going to be set up to hit teams on the counter. Added to that it means you've essentially always got 5 defenders on the pitch which means you're sacrificing a creative player for a defender.

You are talking about the system in an extremely rudimentary way, that is the issue.

Again, in possession, out of possession, depending where the ball is on the field, the formation changes. It isn't a rigid system, it is fluid and is designed to create overloads in certain areas of the pitch. With regards to personnel, didn't Munoz finish with some of the best attacking stats in the game against Villa despite him being a 'defender'. Just shows how players can operate in the system when it is used to its full effect.

For someone who has apparently played football at a decent level, I'd have thought you would have picked up on the system better and wouldn't have characterised players so simply.

 

[Chairman Mo]

You are talking about the system in an extremely rudimentary way, that is the issue.

Again, in possession, out of possession, depending where the ball is on the field, the formation changes. It isn't a rigid system, it is fluid and is designed to create overloads in certain areas of the pitch. With regards to personnel, didn't Munoz finish with some of the best attacking stats in the game against Villa despite him being a 'defender'. Just shows how players can operate in the system when it is used to its full effect.

For someone who has apparently played football at a decent level, I'd have thought you would have picked up on the system better and wouldn't have characterised players so simply.

Tbf to @Notcher- it's not been entirely working like that in home matches (yet...he writes, hopefully)

 

[Captain Sinister]

You are talking about the system in an extremely rudimentary way, that is the issue.

Again, in possession, out of possession, depending where the ball is on the field, the formation changes. It isn't a rigid system, it is fluid and is designed to create overloads in certain areas of the pitch. With regards to personnel, didn't Munoz finish with some of the best attacking stats in the game against Villa despite him being a 'defender'. Just shows how players can operate in the system when it is used to its full effect.

For someone who has apparently played football at a decent level, I'd have thought you would have picked up on the system better and wouldn't have characterised players so simply.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the debate here, whatever we are doing is currently failing at home, and has been for pre and post Glasner.
Under Glasner we have yet to score a goal that VAR can't find a reason to disallow.
So, whether we are a low block team, or a high line, or a punt it down the field, or cross it aimlessly, or shoot from 25 yards, it isn't yet working.
While it is a great way to spend time debating how many angels can stand on the head of a pin is pretty pointless (oh... an unexpected pun!).

 

[GregorRobertson]

I think maybe a larger sample size is called for. See you back here in November or December!

 

[Notcher]

You are talking about the system in an extremely rudimentary way, that is the issue.

Again, in possession, out of possession, depending where the ball is on the field, the formation changes. It isn't a rigid system, it is fluid and is designed to create overloads in certain areas of the pitch. With regards to personnel, didn't Munoz finish with some of the best attacking stats in the game against Villa despite him being a 'defender'. Just shows how players can operate in the system when it is used to its full effect.

For someone who has apparently played football at a decent level, I'd have thought you would have picked up on the system better and wouldn't have characterised players so simply.

All systems have some form of fluidity and that comes from whether it's in defence or attack. That part is assumed and I didn't think that it would require me to caveat that as it's pretty obvious.

The part about it depending on where the ball is on the field is still fairly rigid and that's why shape is worked on constantly. Every formation will have a system shape attached to it depending on the ball position, branching off that comes the phases of play.

The reason Munoz was able to put up good stats was because Villa were a team that will come at you and it leaves spaces in behind when their wide players push on. The issue is when sides sit low and then double up on that side it completely nullifies this system.

 

[Captain Sinister]

All systems have some form of fluidity and that comes from whether it's in defence or attack. That part is assumed and I didn't think that it would require me to caveat that as it's pretty obvious.

The part about it depending on where the ball is on the field is still fairly rigid and that's why shape is worked on constantly. Every formation will have a system shape attached to it depending on the ball position, branching off that comes the phases of play.

The reason Munoz was able to put up good stats was because Villa were a team that will come at you and it leaves spaces in behind when their wide players push on. The issue is when sides sit low and then double up on that side it completely nullifies this system.

Munoz good stats were also because of the Aina contribution.
Why Aina was dropped for Coventry is beyond my comprehension.

 

[Danga]

Tbf to @Notcher- it's not been entirely working like that in home matches (yet...he writes, hopefully)

It all depends on you define what is 'working' or not. If you base it on performances and results, it hasn't been working. But I can see the patterns of play, shape, movement etc which OG is trying to implement though, so that part is working.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the debate here, whatever we are doing is currently failing at home, and has been for pre and post Glasner.
Under Glasner we have yet to score a goal that VAR can't find a reason to disallow.
So, whether we are a low block team, or a high line, or a punt it down the field, or cross it aimlessly, or shoot from 25 yards, it isn't yet working.
While it is a great way to spend time debating how many angels can stand on the head of a pin is pretty pointless (oh... an unexpected pun!).

We have played 3 home fixtures in the league, two 1-0 losses and a 0-0 draw. We can't judge OG one previous managers failures to get results at home, we have to judge him on his own performances when we get a larger sample size as it is far too early to say either way.

All systems have some form of fluidity and that comes from whether it's in defence or attack. That part is assumed and I didn't think that it would require me to caveat that as it's pretty obvious.

The part about it depending on where the ball is on the field is still fairly rigid and that's why shape is worked on constantly. Every formation will have a system shape attached to it depending on the ball position, branching off that comes the phases of play.

The reason Munoz was able to put up good stats was because Villa were a team that will come at you and it leaves spaces in behind when their wide players push on. The issue is when sides sit low and then double up on that side it completely nullifies this system.

So you are agreeing with me that it isn't just simply a back 3 and you can't just define the system by that as there is fluidity and patterns of play which is the actual 'system' depending on the phase of play. Great stuff.

Watch the winning goal against Villa back again, that wasn't a goal created by overloads on the counter so the system isn't nullified when teams simply sit in.

The system can and does work, the players just need to execute it better and be braver when they have the ball rather than playing the easy ball. In the Cov game Delap made a number of runs, spinning in behind and the 10's and midfield never tried playing him in once. The likes of Williams didn't keep his width and kept cutting inside or chopping the ball back rather than going on the outside and getting crosses in to the box. The 10's (till Jesus came on) never really got in to the box to give us numbers in there.

Munoz good stats were also because of the Aina contribution.
Why Aina was dropped for Coventry is beyond my comprehension.

Cuhna (bar Leeds in the cup when he was switched to the left) has started the season very well and has been called up to the Brazil squad. Not sure why that isn't beyond your comprehension we are starting a Brazil international over a right back who looks like he is being converted backup RCB.

I think maybe a larger sample size is called for. See you back here in November or December!

This.

 

[Notcher]

It all depends on you define what is 'working' or not. If you base it on performances and results, it hasn't been working. But I can see the patterns of play, shape, movement etc which OG is trying to implement though, so that part is working.

We have played 3 home fixtures in the league, two 1-0 losses and a 0-0 draw. We can't judge OG one previous managers failures to get results at home, we have to judge him on his own performances when we get a larger sample size as it is far too early to say either way.

So you are agreeing with me that it isn't just simply a back 3 and you can't just define the system by that as there is fluidity and patterns of play which is the actual 'system' depending on the phase of play. Great stuff.

Watch the winning goal against Villa back again, that wasn't a goal created by overloads on the counter so the system isn't nullified when teams simply sit in.

The system can and does work, the players just need to execute it better and be braver when they have the ball rather than playing the easy ball. In the Cov game Delap made a number of runs, spinning in behind and the 10's and midfield never tried playing him in once. The likes of Williams didn't keep his width and kept cutting inside or chopping the ball back rather than going on the outside and getting crosses in to the box. The 10's (till Jesus came on) never really got in to the box to give us numbers in there.

Cuhna (bar Leeds in the cup when he was switched to the left) has started the season very well and has been called up to the Brazil squad. Not sure why that isn't beyond your comprehension we are starting a Brazil international over a right back who looks like he is being converted backup RCB.

This.

Eh?

All systems have a degree of fluidity BUT the shape remains fairly rigid. The whole point of having a system is so that the shape can be kept otherwise managers wouldn't even bother with one. I'm not sure what your point is here. The only truly fluid systems that we've seen in the PL recently are City and to a degree, Liverpool under Klopp.

I obviously have to point out that the winning goal against Villa was while they were playing with 10 men and we stepped on them.

 

[Captain Sinister]

It all depends on you define what is 'working' or not. If you base it on performances and results, it hasn't been working. But I can see the patterns of play, shape, movement etc which OG is trying to implement though, so that part is working.

We have played 3 home fixtures in the league, two 1-0 losses and a 0-0 draw. We can't judge OG one previous managers failures to get results at home, we have to judge him on his own performances when we get a larger sample size as it is far too early to say either way.

So you are agreeing with me that it isn't just simply a back 3 and you can't just define the system by that as there is fluidity and patterns of play which is the actual 'system' depending on the phase of play. Great stuff.

Watch the winning goal against Villa back again, that wasn't a goal created by overloads on the counter so the system isn't nullified when teams simply sit in.

The system can and does work, the players just need to execute it better and be braver when they have the ball rather than playing the easy ball. In the Cov game Delap made a number of runs, spinning in behind and the 10's and midfield never tried playing him in once. The likes of Williams didn't keep his width and kept cutting inside or chopping the ball back rather than going on the outside and getting crosses in to the box. The 10's (till Jesus came on) never really got in to the box to give us numbers in there.

Cuhna (bar Leeds in the cup when he was switched to the left) has started the season very well and has been called up to the Brazil squad. Not sure why that isn't beyond your comprehension we are starting a Brazil international over a right back who looks like he is being converted backup RCB.

This.

First, I expressly made the point home form was poor both pre and post Glasner.
Secondly, your point about Cuhna appears a bit naive: Aina is a seasoned Premier League player with several seasons under his belt, and is a Nigerian international with 48 full international appearances already made. Cuhna played a bit part last season for forest, is just 21 years old. As for his priority as a full Brazilian international, you really are stretching a point purely to argue with me and take issue over my not comprehending why Aina was dropped. The main point I made was that Aina was one of our best players in a very good away win, and his link up with Munoz was a real threat to the Villains down our right flank. Cunha has been selected for the current crop of internationals by a manager of the Brazil National team who has a major rebuilding job ahead of the next World Cup. He has selected Cunha because he is showing signs of being decent, and is very young in what was an ageing team. He is neither a seasoned Premier League player, nor a first choice international player. In both guises he is showing the sort of class that makes us hopeful he is another diamond in the rough.

I don't want to become part of an unnecessary argument here, but am happy to have a discussion.
All I ask is you read and understand what I was saying before hitting the keyboard.
I see Cunha came on as a 2nd half sub in the 76th minute as Brazil snatched a 95th minute equaliser against Australia.
Hopefully this is the start of a long and successful career for the lad.
Aina should still have started against Coventry and I remain uncomprehending as to why he was dropped.

 

[valspoodle]

I don't bother with analysing systems.

I just get to the end of a game and say we played well or we played crap. Simple.

As I can't sort out the system, I let Olly do that. I know lots of fans like to argue over the merits of various systems, but in my youth we didn't really bother with all that. We just said I played well and he played crap, that sort of thing. I didn't play well every match.

 

[Hawkeye1947]

First, I expressly made the point home form was poor both pre and post Glasner.
Secondly, your point about Cuhna appears a bit naive: Aina is a seasoned Premier League player with several seasons under his belt, and is a Nigerian international with 48 full international appearances already made. Cuhna played a bit part last season for forest, is just 21 years old. As for his priority as a full Brazilian international, you really are stretching a point purely to argue with me and take issue over my not comprehending why Aina was dropped. The main point I made was that Aina was one of our best players in a very good away win, and his link up with Munoz was a real threat to the Villains down our right flank. Cunha has been selected for the current crop of internationals by a manager of the Brazil National team who has a major rebuilding job ahead of the next World Cup. He has selected Cunha because he is showing signs of being decent, and is very young in what was an ageing team. He is neither a seasoned Premier League player, nor a first choice international player. In both guises he is showing the sort of class that makes us hopeful he is another diamond in the rough.

I don't want to become part of an unnecessary argument here, but am happy to have a discussion.
All I ask is you read and understand what I was saying before hitting the keyboard.
I see Cunha came on as a 2nd half sub in the 76th minute as Brazil snatched a 95th minute equaliser against Australia.
Hopefully this is the start of a long and successful career for the lad.
Aina should still have started against Coventry and I remain uncomprehending as to why he was dropped.

Captain I used to like reading your posts as they were generally pretty accurate but recently you have become argumentative about everything when someone posts items you don’t like. Yes our home form is dire and the more we talk about it and players capture these negative vibes we are in the spiral. As regards the back 3/5 it can be exciting when the wingbacks play high up the pitch. Can the real Captain come back to the forum

 

[Captain Sinister]

Captain I used to like reading your posts as they were generally pretty accurate but recently you have become argumentative about everything when someone posts items you don’t like. Yes our home form is dire and the more we talk about it and players capture these negative vibes we are in the spiral. As regards the back 3/5 it can be exciting when the wingbacks play high up the pitch. Can the real Captain come back to the forum

Sorry.
Struggling with health issues and a new, aggressive drug regime.
It is no excuse, and I ask forgiveness.

 

[GregorRobertson]

On Jair Cunha : not giving him starts has been frequently used as a stick with which to beat Sean Dyche, despite the fact that in the Premier League he would have had to drop Murillo or Milenkovic to fit him in, and that he was ineligible for the Europa League until Dyche himself added him to the squad shortly before getting fired. He did pick him for the FA Cup 3rd round though where he played 90 minutes.

Now, Glasner is omitting experienced players like Aina to give Cunha the chance to start. But he’s a young inexperienced player and of course we will need to be patient with him. Nonetheless the manager is still getting stick from some (even some of the same?) posters that spend all winter slagging off Dyche for NOT picking him.

The point here isn’t that Dyche was right (Lol no) and Glasner is wrong, or vice versa, more highlighting the inconsistency of opinions, and that to squeeze young players into the lineup someone else always has to give way. Also that inexperienced players are going to make mistakes and you either have to live with that or play it safe.

Unless of course the aim of the game is to criticise the manager whatever decision he makes.

 

[Apollo11]

Unless of course the aim of the game is to criticise the manager whatever decision he makes.

You might be on to something here, afterall we're all World Class managers from the stands.

 

[Annesleyred]

If we are not in the relegation positions at Xmas I would stick with him although so far I have picked better line ups and I go back to the
'Gillies out ' brigade.
Lets give him a chance.

 

[kenred64]

On Jair Cunha : not giving him starts has been frequently used as a stick with which to beat Sean Dyche, despite the fact that in the Premier League he would have had to drop Murillo or Milenkovic to fit him in, and that he was ineligible for the Europa League until Dyche himself added him to the squad shortly before getting fired. He did pick him for the FA Cup 3rd round though where he played 90 minutes.

Now, Glasner is omitting experienced players like Aina to give Cunha the chance to start. But he’s a young inexperienced player and of course we will need to be patient with him. Nonetheless the manager is still getting stick from some (even some of the same?) posters that spend all winter slagging off Dyche for NOT picking him.

The point here isn’t that Dyche was right (Lol no) and Glasner is wrong, or vice versa, more highlighting the inconsistency of opinions, and that to squeeze young players into the lineup someone else always has to give way. Also that inexperienced players are going to make mistakes and you either have to live with that or play it safe.

Unless of course the aim of the game is to criticise the manager whatever decision he makes.

There will be some games that suit Ola and others that suit Jair. If the opposition are playing with lots of big lumps, then Jair is your man. If they have trickier quicker forwards then Ola is your best man marker. I appreciate that you won’t know the opposition lineup in advance, although some managers are know to always play the same system …..

 

[Scarpa's Skateboard]

 

[Scarpa's Skateboard]

I jest, I like Glasner, comes across well but blimey he's pressers have literally sent me to sleep. And you can ring the literal police on that. Not guilty

 

[Scarpa's Skateboard]

In his next press conference I want intonation, and excitement, and him to walk out naked from the waist up with nipple tassels - entertain me Oliver, dance for me

 

[Apollo11]

In his next press conference I want intonation, and excitement, and him to walk out naked from the waist up with nipple tassels - entertain me Oliver, dance for me

 

[Bailey]

What do people make of Glasner turning down summer signings?

 

[redodare]

Appears to have said that he turned down the panic buys we typically make late in the window when primary targets don't join.

Only wants to sign players who have been researched thoroughly

Therefore we should have had a longer list in anticipation that some moves would fail

What's our recent record for signing players "from nowhere" at the end of the window ?

 

[Homesick Alien]

Appears to have said that he turned down the panic buys we typically make late in the window when primary targets don't join.

Only wants to sign players who have been researched thoroughly

Therefore we should have had a longer list in anticipation that some moves would fail

What's our recent record for signing players "from nowhere" at the end of the window ?

I'm with him as we can often get very scattergun as we get towards the end of the window. The club (ownership) seem addicted to transfers regardless of how suitable they are so it's good to have a bit of sense brought in.

I wish the club would've highlighted a left footed LWB and a decent 10 to replace Ndoye though...

 

[Statto]

Appears to have said that he turned down the panic buys we typically make late in the window when primary targets don't join.

Only wants to sign players who have been researched thoroughly

Therefore we should have had a longer list in anticipation that some moves would fail

What's our recent record for signing players "from nowhere" at the end of the window ?

Think last season was Savona, Victor, Cuiabano, Bakwa right near the deadline plus Zinchenko on loan

Season before was Morato with JWP and Moreno on loan

Before that Murillo, CHO, Nico, Vlach, Sangare and Omobamidele with Tavares and Origi on loan

The ones which are clearly good I've popped in bold, although that's perhaps a tad harsh on Savona and we perhaps haven't seen enough of Bakwa to decide