Oleksandr Volodymyrovych Zinchenko

Osiris

Osiris

Geoff Thomas
incident said:
We don't know everything, of course. But we do know what the reports from the Spanish side were:

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Thing is, even without speculating further on precisely why the deal for Javi Galán fell through (assuming you accept that it did) - ultimately it still comes down to Edu as the man responsible
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You know that for certain do you?

I hate to sound like a broken record here but none of us know specifically what Edu's contracted role and responsibilities are! It's all just hearsay

Now you could argue that's an issue in itself as regards supporter engagement, and I would tend to agree, but none of us know what Edu is or isn't responsible for, we simply don't
 
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incident

Viv Anderson
Osiris said:
You know that for certain do you?
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If I take him and the club at face value as to his own job description - then yes, I do. 100%.

"As Global Head of Football, Edu will oversee all football-related functions, including recruitment, performance, squad strategy, and player development."

www.nottinghamforest.co.uk

Edu Gaspar appointed Global Head of Football

The Official Website of Nottingham Forest Football Club: get the latest news, highlights, fixtures and results, tickets and more.
www.nottinghamforest.co.uk www.nottinghamforest.co.uk
 
Osiris

Osiris

Geoff Thomas
incident said:
If I take him and the club at face value as to his own job description - then yes, I do. 100%.

"As Global Head of Football, Edu will oversee all football-related functions, including recruitment, performance, squad strategy, and player development."

www.nottinghamforest.co.uk

Edu Gaspar appointed Global Head of Football

The Official Website of Nottingham Forest Football Club: get the latest news, highlights, fixtures and results, tickets and more.
www.nottinghamforest.co.uk www.nottinghamforest.co.uk
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LMAO I'm not even going to get into a debate about how little that article you posted actually confirms anything you're claiming

We know his job title, that's all!

Fine we can speculate as to what that means but none of us know!!! Which is precisely my point
 
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Viv Anderson
Osiris said:
LMAO I'm not even going to get into a debate about how little that article you posted actually confirms anything you're claiming

We know his job title, that's all!

Fine we can speculate as to what that means but none of us know!!! Which is precisely my point
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It literally says, in as many words, that he overseas "all football-related functions, including recruitment".

If you're not accepting that as counting for anything, then yes, I agree, there's no point getting into it further.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
incident said:
It literally says, in as many words, that he overseas "all football-related functions, including recruitment".

If you're not accepting that as counting for anything, then yes, I agree, there's no point getting into it further.
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He oversees it, yes. That could be as little as, for example, in the last window, Nuno, Ross Wilson and Syrianos saying "we want these players" to Edu and he's like "ok then" and then they head off and handle all the negotiation with the club, agent, player etc. Or it could mean Edu is identifying a whole load of players from his contacts with agents, previous clubs, knowledge of markets etc and then sorts out all the negotiation himself and then the manager only knows when the signings arrive for training. Or it could be somewhere in the middle of it.

All we know about what Edu does is that he is - as it says - overseeing all football related functions - and that is for us, Rio Ave and Oly.

We don't know how involved he is on a day to day matter or how much of a hand he and others have in setting out what players they want and what managers are appointed. We don't also know who else is involved in these processes and decision making.

The statement is as vague as almost meaningless really.
 
GregorRobertson

GregorRobertson

Jack Burkitt
“Overseeing” to me suggests at the very least some powers of veto, which in the case of Zinchenko ought to have been exercised given his presumed knowledge of the player. I can’t come up with an excuse that gets him off the hook on this one specifically.
 
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Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
And does Edu oversee disposals too?
The Decision to loan out Kali is a shocker.
The decision not to dump Morato also.
And did he bring in Zinchenko as a favour to Arsenal, like Nuno won his first game for West Ham by letting them beat us at the City Ground?
 
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GregorRobertson

GregorRobertson

Jack Burkitt
Captain Sinister said:
And does Edu oversee disposals too?
The Devon to loan out Kali is a shocker.
The decision not to dump Morato also.
And did he bring in Zinchenko as a favour to Arsenal, like Nuno won his first game for West Ham by letting them beat us at the City Ground?
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The decision not to dump Morato was presumably made so we still had some defenders left. Seems daft to grumble about dumping Kali without replacement then in the next breath complain about keeping Morato. I’d still rate him above Boly and Abbott.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
GregorRobertson said:
The decision not to dump Morato was presumably made so we still had some defenders left. Seems daft to grumble about dumping Kali without replacement then in the next breath complain about keeping Morato. I’d still rate him above Boly and Abbott.
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You are forgetting Jair... much better and I'd prefer Abbott over him... and Boly as well.
None of thos 3 have let us downwhereas Morato is an accident waiting to happen EVERY game.
 
GregorRobertson

GregorRobertson

Jack Burkitt
Captain Sinister said:
You are forgetting Jair... much better and I'd prefer Abbott over him... and Boly as well.
None of thos 3 have let us downwhereas Morato is an accident waiting to happen EVERY game.
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No doubt. Until we actually have to play Abbott or Boly, they mess up, and then it would suddenly become stupid to have let Morato go without replacing him. Jair shows a lot of promise from what we’ve seen but it is normal to have more than one backup defender.
 
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Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
GregorRobertson said:
No doubt. Until we actually have to play Abbott or Boly, they mess up, and then it would suddenly become stupid to have let Morato go without replacing him. Jair shows a lot of promise from what we’ve seen but it is normal to have more than one backup defender.
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I've seen so many Morato brain-fails, I just don't think we should relying on him.
And his presence in thathat back 4 drags Milenkovic out of position, makes Williams nervous and generally, it's like having a broken lightbulb as back up if the working lightbulbs fail.
 
Est.1865

Est.1865

Destination Europe
Reports imply this one is still hanging around, can’t agree the financials to end the loan deal.
 
Any Time Now

Any Time Now

Jack Burkitt
We're probably going to have to pay a sifnificant fee to terminate the loan, no chance Ajax will be able to pay him the same terms we agreed to. Even if we've only been paying 80% of his wages that's still over £100k a week, Ajax won't offer anything close to that
 
Daz

Daz

First Team Squad
If the option is to pay his wages for another 4 months (£1.5m?) or pay a smaller fee to terminate the loan, then we should probably just put our hands in our pockets.

Arsenal were desperate to get rid of him in the summer. Its poor that we didn't put a break clause into the loan contract in the first place - perhaps we'll learn from this...

Kind of feel sorry for Zinchenko seeing as Ajax and Forest are both happy for him to move.
 
Notcher

Notcher

Ian Bowyer
Daz said:
If the option is to pay his wages for another 4 months (£1.5m?) or pay a smaller fee to terminate the loan, then we should probably just put our hands in our pockets.

Arsenal were desperate to get rid of him in the summer. Its poor that we didn't put a break clause into the loan contract in the first place - perhaps we'll learn from this...

Kind of feel sorry for Zinchenko seeing as Ajax and Forest are both happy for him to move.
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I'd got him down as £150k pw at 16 weeks for £2.4M plus another £2M to cancel the contract.
 
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