Nottingham Forest Supporters Trust (NFST)

[MASE]

Might be wrong, but weren't these offers put on the table in line with the government announcement re Oct 1st. Granted its the government whove moved the goalposts, but the offer isnt what it was.

Legally, Offer one folk would unlikely have a leg to stand on, so once again your calling on the good will of the club, which once again will probably be found lacking.

One day the club might pre empt something like this and have a contingency ready to appease the fans, rather than tucking them on a technicality.

 

[Flaggers]

Feels like the first time I've said this, but, I'm not sure what you're expecting from the club or what they've done wrong here?

Option One was clear in that you'd enter a ballot if and when some capacity was restored with an iFollow code provided for games where no fans were allowed in.

It was always likely Coronavirus cases would creep back up at some point and harsher restrictions may be needed. Surely folk thought about this before choosing their option? I specifcally picked option two because despite wanting to be part of the ballot, I suspected the number of games we'd actually have a ballot for would be quite low and I didn't have interest in the iFollow passes. Also, it's the Government changing their mind on this, not Forest.

In short, if you wanted a refund, you should have selected that.

Option 1 was sold to fans on the basis of having 50% s/t holder capacity from 1st October.

There is now no capacity for fans for 6 months.

Option 1 is not as described.

 

[GreeksBearingGifts]

I am a member and these are my personal thoughts In response to Red Robbo‘s harsh comments. It’s an organisation with a proper Constitution, good governance, open membership and an elected voluntary Board. It was established six years ago in response to the FAWAZ situation. Members have good opportunities to raise issues of concern for discussion with the Club at very senior level. The Trust has the respect of the Club like the Supporters Club, Forza and Punjabi Reds - they are all different but ensure that the Club receive a wide range of supporter views.

In the past year the Trust has -
* profiled the diversity of support through its My City My Shirt initiative (highly praised by the Club & FSA).
* delivered the Tricky to Talk mental health initiative (winning the FSA national award).
* met with the Spirit of Shankly Trust ahead of the FA Cup game to offer support to fans of both clubs especially those suffering from ongoing mental health issues dating back to 1989.
* brought the Womens Team into the constitution and Memorandum of Understanding with the Club (only the second club to do so) and continued player sponsorship and other support.
* held food collections for the needy.
* supported the Samantha Birtles fundraising event.
* helped to create the new Disabled Supporters Association.
* participated actively within the Football Supporters Association on a range of issues including the Fan Led Review of Football, Fixture Scheduling.
* reviewed the annual accounts of all Championship Clubs and posted the analysis on its website.
* produced an ‘easy to read‘ analysis of the Fan Led Review for the website.

My view is that the above list do not reflect ‘the most obscure of issues’ - I believe they demonstrate support for disadvantaged supporters, good information for supporters who wish to better understand football finance and governance, and an understanding of the proposed changes to football governance in the future. All of this in addition to the opportunity to raise issues of concern to Trust members for discussion with senior personnel at the Club.

It is disappointing that some supporters do not recognise or value these actions and initiatives which only happen because real supporters give freely of their time at their own expense.

The Fan Led Review will require supporter groups to come closer together. The Club and players have consistently commented on the way all aspects of our club have pulled together this season to create a dynamic force leading to our promotion.

Every supporter group adds it’s own value in differing ways, for example, Forza is a considerable force in fan engagement and atmosphere at games; the Supporters Club has a long history of fan engagement including coaches to home and away matches from many branches. The Trust has community engagement responsibilities in addition to representing members views.

Everyone is entitled to their views on each supporter group but they all play an important role. I respect each of the organisations and regularly check their information channels for their activities. I encourage others to do the same before jumping to conclusions.

I'm putting this here because most of the grievances against the Trust have been expressed in this thread. I think a summary would be that the Trust is somewhat opaque regarding its goals and its governance and it sometimes feels like a self-propagating structure. This being said, I agree that a plurality of supporters clubs with links to the Board is a good thing.

 

[Redemption]

I'm putting this here because most of the grievances against the Trust have been expressed in this thread. I think a summary would be that the Trust is somewhat opaque regarding its goals and its governance and it sometimes feels like a self-propagating structure. This being said, I agree that a plurality of supporters clubs with links to the Board is a good thing.

That's similar to my view. Although I don't think it's opaque. In fact, it's the opposite, it's very transparent. It's reach is limited though, which means it's communication does dissipate well

The Trust is a template organisation, it does the things that all FSA aligned trusts do. It's OK at them.

That's not a bad thing.

But it's not what most supporters want from the club. But it serves those that do, well.

The most important part of your comment is the plurality of supporter's organisations involved with the club is a good thing. Once upon a time, it would have been Official Supporter's Club or nothing.

 

[Barry]

I just don't like them making comments that in some way can be conceived or considered in anyway speaking for me or anyone I knows behalf.

The reality is they are a minority but because they have meetings, membership cards and a secret handshake, they get to speak for me? Bet they'd make a Den if they could.

The Derby comment just sums it all up, not one person I know who follows Forest want anything other than liquidation for them...they cheated and rather than go "fair cop guv" they have blamed everybody else whilst continuing to cheat, theres no defence, no association, no solidarity.

In fact by cosying up you are condoning their actions. They ain't Julian Assange, they are cheats, cheats who nearly prospered with two trips to Wembley whilst most others didn't.

Even on here where it is a lot more "soft" the general consensus is folk want them gone because of the above.

FFS read the room or go back to playing army with sticks.

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[thehockleyhustler]

The Supporters Trust don't speak for me or the average fan.

I lost all respect for them when they ran the interview with the club and then decided to hold back the full transcript/interview for members.

They did little to help fans having to relocate this summer and never (at least openly) ask the difficult questions when required.

It was a group set up in a protest to a previous regime of which has now long gone.

Their virtue signalling is also pretty annoying.

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[Ashley]

I don't have anything against the NFST, but they dropped a massive bollock with that post about Derby. There is a very good reason why a lot of football fans (not just Forest fans) want them gone, or at very least have no sympathy for them.

This is a club that has been cheating for about 5 or 6 years now. Their fans were revelling in it, and many still to this day insist they did nothing wrong and/or play the victim.

Their fans didn't give a toss about the damage that their club did to other clubs and the integrity of the league, why should anyone else wish them well?

 

[Louth Red]

I just don't like them making comments that in some way can be conceived or considered in anyway speaking for me or anyone I knows behalf.

The reality is they are a minority but because they have meetings, membership cards and a secret handshake, they get to speak for me? Bet they'd make a Den if they could.

The Derby comment just sums it all up, not one person I know who follows Forest want anything other than liquidation for them...they cheated and rather than go "fair cop guv" they have blamed everybody else whilst continuing to cheat, theres no defence, no association, no solidarity.

In fact by cosying up you are condoning their actions. They ain't Julian Assange, they are cheats, cheats who nearly prospered with two trips to Wembley whilst most others didn't.

Even on here where it is a lot more "soft" the general consensus is folk want them gone because of the above.

FFS read the room or go back to playing army with sticks.

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Much of what is said here I agree with - there has been serious and continuing breaches of FFP. The previous owner took on EFL and lost badly - the ground sale and player amortisation were the most obvious examples. Therefore like all clubs they have to face the consequences as many Clubs like Bury, Luton and Forest have done (but not Leicester).
I have no feelings for DCFC at all and always want to beat them. Their fans behaviour at Pride Park after the untimely death of Nigel Doughty was abhorrent.
However, there is a core principle at stake which is that no club should be allowed to die unnecessarily. If this means dropping to the National League like Luton, or to the North West Counties League like Macclesfield, then so be it.
ideally we will not play DCFC for many years but remember it is the fixture most Forest supporters look for.
Regarding the comments of the Trust please remember that they have had requests from local and National press for interview. As affiliate members of the Football Supporters Association would you expect them to respond in any other way?
I often agree with Barry on many issues, and I like his style of giving his views. On this issue I disagree which is no problem - it is a subject which sharply divides opinion.

 

[Cloughie1975]

Much of what is said here I agree with - there has been serious and continuing breaches of FFP. The previous owner took on EFL and lost badly - the ground sale and player amortisation were the most obvious examples. Therefore like all clubs they have to face the consequences as many Clubs like Bury, Luton and Forest have done (but not Leicester).
I have no feelings for DCFC at all and always want to beat them. Their fans behaviour at Pride Park after the untimely death of Nigel Doughty was abhorrent.
However, there is a core principle at stake which is that no club should be allowed to die unnecessarily. If this means dropping to the National League like Luton, or to the North West Counties League like Macclesfield, then so be it.
ideally we will not play DCFC for many years but remember it is the fixture most Forest supporters look for.
Regarding the comments of the Trust please remember that they have had requests from local and National press for interview. As affiliate members of the Football Supporters Association would you expect them to respond in any other way?
I often agree with Barry on many issues, and I like his style of giving his views. On this issue I disagree which is no problem - it is a subject which sharply divides opinion.

I agree with most of this.
You could add Portsmouth,Sheffield Wednesday and Bolton to the list of clubs whose supporters have
suffered because of poor ownership and control mechanisms.

 

[Ashley]

It is a subject which sharply divides opinion.

Which is why they should have left it alone, IMO.

Personally I think the NFST should focus solely on matters regarding Forest anyway.

 

[eyupmeduck]

Which is why they should have left it alone, IMO.

Personally I think the NFST should focus solely on matters regarding Forest anyway.

I happen to agree, I think the stuff Louth red points out that the trust have achieved and do is admirable and whilst I'm not a member its to be applauded.

I just feel that a dignified silence is better where certain issues are concerned and the situation Derby are in is one of those.





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[T.B.T.]

If I was Mr NFFC and I wanted an un-edited broad and well reasoned range of fan opinion, I know exactly where I’d go first.

Hmmmmmm

 

[Redemption]

If I was Mr NFFC and I wanted an un-edited broad and well reasoned range of fan opinion, I know exactly where I’d go first.

Hmmmmmm

Vital Forest ?

 

[Barry]

Much of what is said here I agree with - there has been serious and continuing breaches of FFP. The previous owner took on EFL and lost badly - the ground sale and player amortisation were the most obvious examples. Therefore like all clubs they have to face the consequences as many Clubs like Bury, Luton and Forest have done (but not Leicester).
I have no feelings for DCFC at all and always want to beat them. Their fans behaviour at Pride Park after the untimely death of Nigel Doughty was abhorrent.
However, there is a core principle at stake which is that no club should be allowed to die unnecessarily. If this means dropping to the National League like Luton, or to the North West Counties League like Macclesfield, then so be it.
ideally we will not play DCFC for many years but remember it is the fixture most Forest supporters look for.
Regarding the comments of the Trust please remember that they have had requests from local and National press for interview. As affiliate members of the Football Supporters Association would you expect them to respond in any other way?
I often agree with Barry on many issues, and I like his style of giving his views. On this issue I disagree which is no problem - it is a subject which sharply divides opinion.

That's a really good reply, the thing is and unless I'm reading it wrong I didn't see anything quoted by local or national press more a response to a twitter post from the Ramstrust... imo they didn't have to say anything at that point, it's not their fight.

I don't recall the Ramstrust saying anything positive or supportative around the fazza situation which was around the point that these fans groups were created by our supporters.

I would argue that Derby's death isn't unnecessary, infact it will serve as a warning to other clubs for all the shitty reasons the sheepshaggers have come out with as to why they shouldn't go.

"They can't liquidate a famous club"
"They can't liquidate a football league founding club."
"They can't liquidate a championship club"
"They can't liquidate over a tax bill "
"They can't liquidate because of mental health"
"They can't liquidate because of local businesses"

Why not?

If you stuck to these rules you wouldn't be able to fold any club in the top 2 and a half leagues, no matter what they did, life ain't like that. Wheres the punishment for doing wrong? You can't fine them, they have no cash. The points deductions just gives cheats the chance to prosper.

I've not read any official or unofficial source come out and admit they have done wrong, nobody not condoning the Morris having the league on strings bollocks...any deserters to the anti EFL mantra has been shot down or called a Forest fan. In association they have all been complicit and for that they deserve to die, a slow painful death... I'll have more respect for them when they get AFC Derby County Rams out level 7 and into level 6 of the pyramid than anything they will do now as its all cheating, they shouldn't even have the 5 players they have as they couldn't afford them.



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[T.B.T.]

Vital Forest ?

I did say ‘well reasoned’.

 

[Rockabilly]

That's a really good reply, the thing is and unless I'm reading it wrong I didn't see anything quoted by local or national press more a response to a twitter post from the Ramstrust... imo they didn't have to say anything at that point, it's not their fight.

I don't recall the Ramstrust saying anything positive or supportative around the fazza situation which was around the point that these fans groups were created by our supporters.

I would argue that Derby's death isn't unnecessary, infact it will serve as a warning to other clubs for all the shitty reasons the sheepshaggers have come out with as to why they shouldn't go.

"They can't liquidate a famous club"
"They can't liquidate a football league founding club."
"They can't liquidate a championship club"
"They can't liquidate over a tax bill "
"They can't liquidate because of mental health"
"They can't liquidate because of local businesses"

Why not?

If you stuck to these rules you wouldn't be able to fold any club in the top 2 and a half leagues, no matter what they did, life ain't like that. Wheres the punishment for doing wrong? You can't fine them, they have no cash. The points deductions just gives cheats the chance to prosper.

I've not read any official or unofficial source come out and admit they have done wrong, nobody not condoning the Morris having the league on strings bollocks...any deserters to the anti EFL mantra has been shot down or called a Forest fan. In association they have all been complicit and for that they deserve to die, a slow painful death... I'll have more respect for them when they get AFC Derby County Rams out level 7 and into level 6 of the pyramid than anything they will do now as its all cheating, they shouldn't even have the 5 players they have as they couldn't afford them.



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Well said Bazza, and beautifully put.

 

[Strummer]

That's a really good reply, the thing is and unless I'm reading it wrong I didn't see anything quoted by local or national press more a response to a twitter post from the Ramstrust... imo they didn't have to say anything at that point, it's not their fight.

I don't recall the Ramstrust saying anything positive or supportative around the fazza situation which was around the point that these fans groups were created by our supporters.

I would argue that Derby's death isn't unnecessary, infact it will serve as a warning to other clubs for all the shitty reasons the sheepshaggers have come out with as to why they shouldn't go.

"They can't liquidate a famous club"
"They can't liquidate a football league founding club."
"They can't liquidate a championship club"
"They can't liquidate over a tax bill "
"They can't liquidate because of mental health"
"They can't liquidate because of local businesses"

Why not?

If you stuck to these rules you wouldn't be able to fold any club in the top 2 and a half leagues, no matter what they did, life ain't like that. Wheres the punishment for doing wrong? You can't fine them, they have no cash. The points deductions just gives cheats the chance to prosper.

I've not read any official or unofficial source come out and admit they have done wrong, nobody not condoning the Morris having the league on strings bollocks...any deserters to the anti EFL mantra has been shot down or called a Forest fan. In association they have all been complicit and for that they deserve to die, a slow painful death... I'll have more respect for them when they get AFC Derby County Rams out level 7 and into level 6 of the pyramid than anything they will do now as its all cheating, they shouldn't even have the 5 players they have as they couldn't afford them.



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All valid points Bazza.

They broke the rules. They didn’t have to, they chose to do so.
and now they are saddled with an unmanageable amount of debt they can never service.

Businesses (and they are, after all, a business) that are run that badly fail every year, a football club would and should be no different.

AFC Wimbledon climbed into the football league from absolutely nothing after having their entire club stolen from them.

 

[Barry]

If I was Mr NFFC and I wanted an un-edited broad and well reasoned range of fan opinion, I know exactly where I’d go first.

Hmmmmmm

Exactly, how many people wanted tickets for Wembley?

How many members on here? Other forums?

How many members in the supporters clubs?

If you want a quote the supporters clubs is the 2nd to last place to go after a bloke waiting for his bird tby the lions in market Square..... infact don't the supporters club have a banner displayed on one of the boat club balconies on match days?... the same boat club that tried to f*** us for cash and one of the stumbling blocks for our grounds redevelopment meaning now we have reached the prem all of our fans can't go to games?

Time for them to build a new Den to play in if they want any credibility.


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[incident]

However, there is a core principle at stake which is that no club should be allowed to die unnecessarily.

When Derby die, it won't be unnecessarily.

The actions that brought Derby County to this point were not taken by an owner acting against the wishes of the fanbase - the fans were fully onboard with Mel and his cheating - throughout the process they celebrated the idea that they had "the EFL on strings", ie. that they had got away with something. The fanbase sat there as the Stadium was separated from the club (always a huge red flag) and cheered the action when any other at any other club they would have been protesting.

Even once it was clear that the club was in financial trouble, an embargo was coming, and they really needed to cut it's cloth to survive, the fans were pushing for millions to be spent - which they got with the likes of Jozwiak. Again, at any other club (including, as NFST will know, at Forest) the fanbase would have been pushing for the owner to ensure the future of the club.

Even after the owner walked away and the club was put into Administration, the fanbase refused to countenance the actions that might save the club - even in Janauary they were talking about signing new players rather than shifting high earners like Bielik and Lawrence. As a result just to keep the club afloat day to day they ended up having to take last minute "sell the future" deals like selling Plange at a discount and loaning back, or allowing sell-on clauses to be bought out for a pittance because to this day they're still looking at the short term not the long term.

This is a club that absolutely deserves to die, and their fan base are absolutely complicit in that.

 

[Master Yates]

Vital Forest ?

No, that’s where Dane goes to find out who we are signing before he tries to sign them himself

#ITK #calleditfirst


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[Redemption]

The only part of the the NFFC ST tweet you could argue with is the use of the word 'most' - we don't really know what most forest fans think, because they really are the silent majority.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1537834749217095687

So if the Trust doesn't speak for them I suggest that other folk don't speak for them either.

 

[Strummer]

It is a bit naive in fairness.

Derby cheated, blatantly, including loudly and publicly taking the piss out of other clubs, their owners, and supporters.

And yet now, they want sympathy?

 

[Morpeth]

Vital Forest ?

Does that place actually still exist?!

 

[virgo]

The only part of the the NFFC ST tweet you could argue with is the use of the word 'most' - we don't really know what most forest fans think, because they really are the silent majority.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1537834749217095687

So if the Trust doesn't speak for them I suggest that other folk don't speak for them either.

On that twitter post at least 90% of the posts disagreed with you and yet the one post you answered was one agreeing with you.

You are like many organisations who claim to represent “most” fans but actually don’t .

By all means carry on doing what you do, but please don’t pretend that your voice represents “most” Forest fans. It is a very arrogant stance to take and just gets people’s backs up.

By what metric did you decide that “most” fans agreed with you - you can’t just go around making these things up - it makes your whole cause look rather stupid .

Remember an important fact - I never voted for you and therefore you should not take it upon yourself to represent me - you do not!

Just out of interest how many people are members of the trust?

 

[virgo]

Apology’s to Redemption - I quoted the wrong post - I was obviously addressing the Trust - Ive just got a bad case of Banana fingers

Sorry