New stadium - pitfalls for the fans

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Viv Anderson
Apologies if this has already been discussed....

Whilst a new stadium has a wow factor and the ability to create a more modern experience for the fans (e.g. better seating, improved catering/facilities etc) the out of town/city stadiums have the problem where they're not as easy to get to.

Having been to the Nottingham Forest v Newcastle match, I came up on the train and walked to/from the stadium. Anyone living in Nottingham has easy access, due to the fact you can get to the stadium easily by almost any means. Fans who live within walking distance of the city centre can also reach the City Ground easily and the walk over the Trent Bridge to the City Ground is also wonderful. Being just outside the city centre means you can reach the stadium without having to negotiate inner city traffic and stealth bus lanes etc.

Recently, I've been to the Madejski Stadium (Reading FC) a couple of times which is a new stadium just over 10 years old. The stadium is a few miles away from the town centre and if you arrive by train, you have to catch a bus. The car parks around the stadium charge £8 to park and there are various businesses in the industrial estate also offering parking ranging from £7-£10. If you park in the stadium car parks, your exit is delayed by 30 minutes to allow pedestrians to clear. The stadium itself is very modern and impressive. The facilities in the immediate area merely consist of retail parks and turning up early to get a good parking space can leave you twiddling your thumbs for hours like being at the airport.

One advantage for me is that being next to the M4 motorway meant I could get away quicker. However, someone who attends the Madejski stadium regularly by car will find it expensive - especially if they end up in a £10 car park.

Stadium MK (MK Dons) is another example of a stadium which is miles away from the city centre and they charge you £5 to park your car.

In Watford, Vicarage Road is located just outside the town centre and anyone turning up on the train has to walk 2km. There are car parks in the town centre and there's plenty to keep you entertained in the town centre before you take the 15 minute walk to the match. Again, the variety of public transport means a lower percentage of people drive to the match compared with a stadium which is in the middle of nowhere.

What are people's thoughts about the proposed site for Nottingham Forest's new stadium? If you presently walk to the City Ground then how would you feel having to drive to the new stadium and potentially paying stupid money to park your car?
 

RICH1977

John Robertson
JoeBaker said:
a myth, 10 minute drive maybe

you must drive like a granny then, as its 10-15 mins on the bus to the ground from keyworth. and the new ground will be about a mile out if that
 

JoeBaker

First Team Squad
RICH1977 said:
you must drive like a granny then, as its 10-15 mins on the bus to the ground from keyworth. and the new ground will be about a mile out if that

I was being sarcastic, I think we would both agree though its not a 10 min walk and it certainly a fair trek if you were to walk it from the City Centre and I would say the actual location is nearer 2 miles from the current ground than one. Not huge in the grand scheme of things but a factor non the less
 

Maverick

Jack Burkitt
Can't think of a pub on the way either. So it'll be Frankie and Benny's when you get there, or TGI Fridays or some such god-forsaken chain :mad:
 

incapable hulk

Best served cold
I guess for people who walk, it will be further. But then alot of people will get the bus to town and walk from there...so the stadium will have tram/bus routes to accomodate those, and there will be a huge increase in car parking spaces (something the current ground struggles with) which means some who cant drive to the cg, will to the new ground.

It will balance out I guess :blink:
 

Ken

A. Trialist
It always surprises me amount of people that do drive and park nearby (so would be happier since better parking/road access) but not for me since prefer pre-post match ale.
 

forestscott1

First Team Squad
Maverick said:
Can't think of a pub on the way either. So it'll be Frankie and Benny's when you get there, or TGI Fridays or some such god-forsaken chain :mad:

The Bridge at Gamston, you'd walk straight past it. Old people pub granted !
 

JoeBaker

First Team Squad
incapable hulk said:
I guess for people who walk, it will be further. But then alot of people will get the bus to town and walk from there...so the stadium will have tram/bus routes to accomodate those, and there will be a huge increase in car parking spaces (something the current ground struggles with) which means some who cant drive to the cg, will to the new ground.

It will balance out I guess :blink:

There are no proposal for a new tram route in the plans released just a better bus service and how does the current ground struggle with car parking spaces when you have for example County Hall, the embankment right on its doorstep. They even now have dedicated bus services from the Queens Drive P & R site. Sorry but the car parking space argument doesn't stand up for me
 

cknu

Viv Anderson
However equally there are some who drive and have to find parking who could now walk to the new location! :wink:

You could Park and Ride, as they currently offer from Queens Drive to Trent Bridge would now go to Gamston.

Maybe the club could include free bus ticket on one of the new routes from town/station to the ground with each match ticket.

Like others have said there will be more car parking facilities.

The only thing missing is really some sort of tram link from the station via West Bridgford, Gamston and onto somewhere like Cotgrave. That way away fans can jump straight to the tram from the train, maybe a hop-off/hop-on ticket on match day means you could still pop into the Bridgford pubs and either stagger the mile or hop back on a stop to the ground.

I would have thought for some people North of the city centre who have the tram links it would be better as they could extend the line/train down so hop on local, hop off outside the ground and walk up a nice tree lined concourse (The real Brian Clough Way)
 

cknu

Viv Anderson
Goose at Gamston?? :wub:

But again a lot of people are falling foul of the same trap, its not whats there now, its what will be there in 6 or so years time. If they build 4,000 homes and a planned stadium you can bet there will be plenty of breweries after prime spot..
 

Jonathan

Resident foodie!
Thing is though, if they'd be building 4000 new homes or however many it is, they would probably be building a pub or two and let's face it, with a stadium the size of the plans, they'd probably build pubs/bars into the ground in various places.

I'm still to be persuaded that a new ground is a good idea, but I think quite a few are being blinkered about the plans because they've been dead against moving in the past.

It's not going to end up like the Ricoh Arena or St Mary's, where it's 20-30 minutes walk from anything remotely resembling a pub and in the middle of an industrial estate because of where they're planning to build it.
 

sedgred

Banned
The A52 on match days is very busy in bound and stacked outbound on match days. It will suprise many of you the amount of Forest support east of the city limits. We have to use either car or public transport.

Also Rushcliffe Borough Council owe a debt of responsibility to the current business's around Trent Bridge. On a souless new site, just how little of present takings will find their way into the surrounding business premises for a start. Just think how many outlets profit from the income bought into the area on match days.
 

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
Biggest immediate pitfall will be the rise in ticket prices.

You all know it will happen. You just don't want to think it will.
 

RICH1977

John Robertson
we pay £30 a ticket for big games now so I cant see the prices riseing to much tbh, they want to fill the stadium not scare fans away
 
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Bridgfordred79

Guest
Erik said:
Biggest immediate pitfall will be the rise in ticket prices.

You all know it will happen. You just don't want to think it will.
nail on the head there erik.
 

Billy Hunt

First Team Squad
sedgred said:
The A52 on match days is very busy in bound and stacked outbound on match days. It will suprise many of you the amount of Forest support east of the city limits. We have to use either car or public transport.

Also Rushcliffe Borough Council owe a debt of responsibility to the current business's around Trent Bridge. On a souless new site, just how little of present takings will find their way into the surrounding business premises for a start. Just think how many outlets profit from the income bought into the area on match days.

You're right, many of the pubs and food outlets will die on their arse if the move happens.
 

Roonaldo

Geoff Thomas
RICH1977 said:
you must drive like a granny then, as its 10-15 mins on the bus to the ground from keyworth. and the new ground will be about a mile out if that

Having studied the new plans, the ground would actually be 2.38 miles from the City Ground.

Stupid idea that I pray to Cough will die a death.
 

FBS

Steve Chettle
Watford Red said:
Apologies if this has already been discussed....

Whilst a new stadium has a wow factor and the ability to create a more modern experience for the fans (e.g. better seating, improved catering/facilities etc) the out of town/city stadiums have the problem where they're not as easy to get to.

Having been to the Nottingham Forest v Newcastle match, I came up on the train and walked to/from the stadium. Anyone living in Nottingham has easy access, due to the fact you can get to the stadium easily by almost any means. Fans who live within walking distance of the city centre can also reach the City Ground easily and the walk over the Trent Bridge to the City Ground is also wonderful. Being just outside the city centre means you can reach the stadium without having to negotiate inner city traffic and stealth bus lanes etc.

Recently, I've been to the Madejski Stadium (Reading FC) a couple of times which is a new stadium just over 10 years old. The stadium is a few miles away from the town centre and if you arrive by train, you have to catch a bus. The car parks around the stadium charge £8 to park and there are various businesses in the industrial estate also offering parking ranging from £7-£10. If you park in the stadium car parks, your exit is delayed by 30 minutes to allow pedestrians to clear. The stadium itself is very modern and impressive. The facilities in the immediate area merely consist of retail parks and turning up early to get a good parking space can leave you twiddling your thumbs for hours like being at the airport.

One advantage for me is that being next to the M4 motorway meant I could get away quicker. However, someone who attends the Madejski stadium regularly by car will find it expensive - especially if they end up in a £10 car park.

Stadium MK (MK Dons) is another example of a stadium which is miles away from the city centre and they charge you £5 to park your car.

In Watford, Vicarage Road is located just outside the town centre and anyone turning up on the train has to walk 2km. There are car parks in the town centre and there's plenty to keep you entertained in the town centre before you take the 15 minute walk to the match. Again, the variety of public transport means a lower percentage of people drive to the match compared with a stadium which is in the middle of nowhere.

What are people's thoughts about the proposed site for Nottingham Forest's new stadium? If you presently walk to the City Ground then how would you feel having to drive to the new stadium and potentially paying stupid money to park your car?

Very good points about travel. I get the train up from London and it's a 10 minute walk from the station to the ground. However, with the idea of the new ground being even further out then I would have to go into the centre and get a tram or bus. Whilst I don't mind doing this going to the ground as I like to get there early and have a few beers, it will be a nightmare to get on a tram at the final whistle. Much akin to getting the bus from Reading FC back to the station.

As you mentioned, Reading and Watford are two prime examples of grounds being nowhere near the station or town centre.
 

Deleted User

John Robertson
An extra 1 or 2 miles won't affect me since it's already a 366 round trip anyway. Anyone who can walk or get the bus as it stands should count themselves lucky.
 
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