Darcy
Viv Anderson
different styles , its always a risk on players who are unproven but at the same time you can see by the way he plays and what he can do in games at champ level should mean he will be ok in prem.
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Morgan Anthony Gibbs-White
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different styles , its always a risk on players who are unproven but at the same time you can see by the way he plays and what he can do in games at champ level should mean he will be ok in prem.
Ashley
Steve Chettle
We aren't going to be in the market for most proven Premier League players until we are established, so until then we have to take chances on unproven players like Gibbs-White until then.
The gamble works both ways though; if he is success his value will be far more than we'll pay for him.
The gamble works both ways though; if he is success his value will be far more than we'll pay for him.
iu
that's stupid , johnson is our player , gibbs isn't. Maybe you think throwing money like monopoly money is easy, we might as well pay 30m to get brewster and 200m more to get the entire england u-17 squad that won.
If we are not prepared to take a chance on signing 'unproven' players like this if we can agree a price which we think is value for money then we are limiting ourselves to paying a premium for 'proven' players who may be past their best (and we've done enough of that over the years), looking for a pension pot (we've done enough of that over the years), or may not work at Forest as easily as the 'unproven' player may not work (oddly enough, we've done enough of that over the years too).
At some point we have to take a punt and going for a young talent, even though they may be 'unproven' we are going for someone who may be able to do the job now and improve over time along with the club rather than going for someone who may do the job now but only deteriorate over time.
Make your choice.
I'd trust our recruitment team over absolutely anyone else on here and if they think £20-25m is a suitable price for a player then it is.
RedSpoons
First Team Squad
Realistically this is the only way to buy players.
If we want proven prem players that are good enough to keep us up then you are splurging £30mil+ or signing guys long in the tooth.
So we have to take risks on guys who have shown ability abroad or the Championship and as far as those players go, MGW might be the best fit.
How many of the other risks have worked with Cooper previously, have at least some prem experience, fit into an established role in our team, are still progressing and are actually available and willing to join us?
I’m of the opinion that if Cooper wants him, the board agrees with his eval and the funds are there, go for it! Sometimes it’s not about perfect value, it’s about getting the right guys
If we want proven prem players that are good enough to keep us up then you are splurging £30mil+ or signing guys long in the tooth.
So we have to take risks on guys who have shown ability abroad or the Championship and as far as those players go, MGW might be the best fit.
How many of the other risks have worked with Cooper previously, have at least some prem experience, fit into an established role in our team, are still progressing and are actually available and willing to join us?
I’m of the opinion that if Cooper wants him, the board agrees with his eval and the funds are there, go for it! Sometimes it’s not about perfect value, it’s about getting the right guys
DapperDan
Steve Chettle
It's also a logic that would rule out buying anyone from overseas too
it's not the matter of unproven that i have a problem with , it's the exaggerated inflated price that players are going for , spence 20m , davis 15m - both are overpriced same as gibbs. if they do buy gibbs , hope he can prove his worth.
Some one /something is worth what someone else is prepared to pay for their sevices/to own.
Thats economics. We could be timid and buy no one because they are 'overpriced' or go for it with a proven team who analyise /research using cutting edge methods to pick players . Trust them. If it all goes tits up in a seasons time then we'll let you say 'I told you so!'
Trents
John Robertson
They are just starting numbers thrown out by the selling club. Spence I expect will go for £12mil max, and not from us. Doesn't sound like anyone else is interested in Davis, certainly not in the prem so we can afford to make Villa sweat and lower that while we look at options. I'd expect £10mil max on him.
Gibb-White is one of those I think will flourish under Cooper. I'm also still coming to terms with the numbers that come with Premier League transfers but this is our stage now. £20 mil for a 22 year old Prem starter ticks all the boxes. These sort of transfers can also be seen as an investment if things go well.
we have a lot of positions to fill and players to bring in. How much are you expecting forest to spend if every player are going for 20-30m.
So how much should we value Brennan Johnson at if, say, Brentford came a knocking again? Bearing in mind that currently he is out of contract next summer?
We wouldn't want to overvalue him would we?
again like spence , is gibbs wolves first team player like johnson to forest ?
Harvey
Chrissy Cohen
You have to pay for young talent, that's how it works. I don't think £20m is over the top.
If we can pay £13.5m for Carvalho in the Championship we can pay £20m for Gibbs-White in the Premier League.
If we can pay £13.5m for Carvalho in the Championship we can pay £20m for Gibbs-White in the Premier League.
Master Yates
John Robertson
He’s just ripped up the Championship like Johnson has though. That and his age is where the valuation come from, just like with BJ.
It makes no difference to his value that he wasn’t a first teamer at Wolves last season.
If you owned three properties worth 250k each would you be expected to sell one under market price just because you don’t live in it all the time? If the buyer plans on living in it all the time, it’s still worth 250k to them (maybe even more of it’s their dream house).
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so we should pay 20m for spence and 15m for davis because they also ripped up the championship.. So easy , just pay whatever they want , right ?
Calvin Plummer
Viv Anderson
We don't necessarily have to pay it but you can see why 15-20m is a quoted price for MGW and Spence at least.
If a club came calling for BJ, especially given his contract expiry date, what price would you quote?
cheapseats
Grenville Morris
We don’t have to pay anything we don’t want. But we do only have 1/2 a squad….
Irrelevant. It's overvaluing we're talking about.
Spence was a regular starter for a Championship club which got promoted through the playoffs last season.
Gibbs White was a regular starter for a Championship club that made the playoffs.
Johnson was a Championship club that got promoted through the playoffs.
They are the facts. Whether they are first team regulars for their parent clubs is irrelevant. They all have a value based on last season and their potential.
That isn't what I think anyone is saying. What people are saying is, I believe, is that all three players had a similar impact last season. Why should you value one at excessively more than the other just because he played at his own club?
Again, if the recruitment team think £20-£25m for Gibbs White then it is, whatever you may think. If they don't then it isn't, irrespective of what anyone else thinks.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
Adama Traore should be a bargain. Probably £5-6m we should be able to get him for.
Oh no wait, they will probably ask for about £30m for him.
Which is why we need to show elsewhere.
Oh no wait, they will probably ask for about £30m for him.
Which is why we need to show elsewhere.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
Whatever value a Forest fan would put on Johnson's head for sale, should be the amount they would be willing to pay for Gibbs-White.
Apparently, he's costing less than Gibbs.
Actually from the news, wolves are apparently willing to sell him cheaper than Gibbs at 17-18m
Has there ever been a more overrated player? Commentators love to watch him run, blinds them to the fact it never leads to anything
cheapseats
Grenville Morris
I think we have to face up to the fact there’s massive price inflation in the prem, but complaining about it isn’t going to help us.
For a club that’s been up there >3 seasons, like Wolves fees of 5M are loose change and 5-10M won’t make much difference to budgets so there’s not much motivation to sell “cheap” unless there’s other circumstances in play.
For a club that’s been up there >3 seasons, like Wolves fees of 5M are loose change and 5-10M won’t make much difference to budgets so there’s not much motivation to sell “cheap” unless there’s other circumstances in play.
Berkshire Red
Jack Armstrong
Traore can run fast. So could Diakaby. Let's not go there again.
MGW would be an excellent signing, especially at £17m.
MGW would be an excellent signing, especially at £17m.