And I would put here that Harry Kane has already played 62 matches of football this season, scoring 61 times (a fact I love to use to wind up the Bayern fans at work).
Morgan Anthony Gibbs-White
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Steven Hawkings winger
Agreed the best performing midfielder in the prem in that position. Its an absolute farce
Notcher
Ian Bowyer
Southgate did a fantastic job in many aspects but he still fell woefully short in tournaments. Most of us on here could ease England through to the quarter finals of a tournament, he's supposed to earn his corn beyond that and he never did because he shit the bed.
Est.1865
Premier League Survivors
He was never proactive enough with in game changes, in my opinion. Killed our chances more than once.
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
All the recent England managers have been too scared to lose a match due to the hounding that they'd get in the media (or maybe from their bosses at the FA).
Trying so hard no to lose games is a problem in the knockout stages of tournaments when there are games that must be won. The team doesn't know how to do that, it has not been set up for that. We have seen it time and time again.
There's no badge of pride to be warn for always qualifying yet winning nothing.
There are other teams that have missed entire tournaments but have still actually won one on my lifetime.
Notcher
Ian Bowyer
This is an inherent problem that sports psychologists commonly find in sportsmen. There is more will to not lose than there is to win. The fear and feeling of losing is greater than the potential feeling of winning.
The main way to change this mindset is to shift the focus from being outcome based to process based. When Southgate changed the way of playing to being more defensive in the latter games he was contradicting this very philosophy and process.
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
The England cricket team's bazball approach (attempting to play more positively) has certainly made the game more interesting, but they've still won nowt.
Cureboy
Grenville Morris
I am sure Gareth Southgate is a decent bloke and he means well and all that, but at the end of the day the best managers also need to be ruthless bastards when it's needed. Clough, Fergie, Mourinho, Pep etc...I always got the feeling Southgate was a wet lettuce, probably why he never could quite get the job done.
JonnoSnr
Jack Armstrong
This is it for me. Man for man are we better than France or Spain? Or even Portugal? Not for me and there's an argument to say Brazil and Argentina are stronger too (certainly as teams if not individually).
Anything can happen in knock out football but we repeatedly come up short once we meet a good nation, sometimes in a typical 'plucky English loser' way but come up short nonetheless.
Southgate did a good job and I was fully on board with him as manager until the last Euros, which sounds mental when you think we got to the final. But he showed such weak management throughout for me. Persisting with a clearly injured Kane (Kane should take responsibility there as captain too), no recognised left side of the team either and the constant attempts to squeeze all the 10s into the same team.
sammy the snake
John Robertson
Yep. They were analysts in management and expectations in order to gain “progress” but at the same time did little to light the spark that ensures actually winning something. I’d agree on paper he achieved something better, but all know it was far from the actual job spec
Eddie Yates
Ian Bowyer
Being 5 down for 60 isn't interesting if you're English
StanleyVictorCollywobbles
First Team Squad
Southgate got to the semis and twice to a final. No one had taken us to a final since 66 and only 2 semis in that time. He was a massive, massive success no matter how you cut it and how boring he was. Many have tried and none got anywhere near his success.
Templeton
Viv Anderson
England had a very good goalie, probably not what you'd call 'World Class' though, and we had any real top class defenders for years, so always felt this idea Southgate under achieved somewhat daft.
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
Ironically, that was more the case before bazball.
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
Oh, and you are Gareth Southgate and I claim my £5.
Rubics
Bin VAR!
Baz may be more suited to managing the football team than the test team!
StanleyVictorCollywobbles
First Team Squad
He wasted a ‘golden generation’ despite the fact the same was said about just about every iteration of the England team outside of 92-94 and no other manager managed even half of his success.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Southgate's main problem is we always lost to the first decent team we came up against.
sammy the snake
John Robertson
True. But success is only judged on winning something. Southgate knew this and he didn’t enable his players to get any further. I like the guy, very honest but couldn’t push on
StanleyVictorCollywobbles
First Team Squad
96 years. One win.
Only two managers have ever got to a final.
If winning it is your ONLY measure or success then my f*** are we bad.
Listen 'ere young man
Stuart Pearce
Makes a nice change losing to the likes of Iceland.
Osiris
We HATE the Villa
England simply aren't in the elite tier of international teams, they never have been, historical results show that
We're in a group alongside the likes of the Netherlands and Portugal in that regard
We're in a group alongside the likes of the Netherlands and Portugal in that regard
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
Portugal have won the Euros fairly recently, so maybe we're in a group below that.
Osiris
We HATE the Villa
My point was both teams I mentioned have won one international tournament and been there or thereabouts in others, same as England, I'm not interested in recency, these things average themselves out
England are not a top tier international side, they never have been and probably never will be
donny
Jack Burkitt
As long as the FA and PL are allowing teams to ride roughshod over the youth development side of things, and spend money on 16-18 year olds from Spain, France, Germany and elsewhere to play in academy football, and, have allow teams to play with no homegrown players in the starting 11, we'll always have this issue. Our European counterparts are more than happy to let one of their talents come over here, as they know theres another one where that one came from. As Notcher may agree, youth coaching on the continent is a far different concept to in the UK, and it shows. A player with a talent such as Lamine Yamal or Pedri would have had that knocked out of him by now, and they'd be in a heap in League Two..