Lee Camp for England

[Daniel]

I sincerely hope Fabio Capello has been taking note of Lee Camp's performances, conceding 1 goal during December and a string of outstanding displays, he made England hopeful Carson look distinctly average.

I would like to see Camp in the squad and tested out for an international friendly, I think he has more to offer than Nobert Green and is equal to Joe Hart.

oh and he's a lot better than Smith...

 

[marshal99]

:wacko: :nowink:

 

[sebs]

no thanks.

50% of goalkeeping is the trust a defence has in you. reckon the england backline is going to respect a championship goalie?

 

[Randy Bumgardener]

I sincerely hope Fabio Capello has been taking note of Lee Camp's performances, conceding 1 goal during December and a string of outstanding displays, he made England hopeful Carson look distinctly average.

I would like to see Camp in the squad and tested out for an international friendly, I think he has more to offer than Nobert Green and is equal to Joe Hart.

oh and he's a lot better than Smith...

I really think he's one of the better English goalkeepers (even though there's not much competition)

Carson certainly showed his worth yesterday. Like said yesterday, surely if your a good keeper in the CCC you're a good keeper in the Prem ? It's not the same as an outfield player, and at the age of 25, he's a baby in terms of goalkeepers !

 

[Randy Bumgardener]

no thanks.

50% of goalkeeping is the trust a defence has in you. reckon the england backline is going to respect a championship goalie?

Lets face it. Campy isn't a shrinking flower. I imagine he will bollock any player no matter what their rep if they f*** up ! It's no coincidence he's vice-captain with his confidence and general noisy-bastardness !

I wouldn't give the players that little respect not to recognise someone's ability in training. His record so far is second to none. I think (if he keeps this up) he has a bright future ! If a league 2 keeper can be called up (Lewis at the time) then I'm sure a CCC would be in contention !

 

[Spring Heeled Jack]

I have as much chance of getting a call up for England as Lee Camp does.

 

[Randy Bumgardener]

I have as much chance of getting a call up for England as Lee Camp does.

On what basis ? Why couldn't he get a call up ?

 

[garrilla]

On what basis ? Why couldn't he get a call up ?

Because Manuel Almunia is more English than Camp.

 

[Daniel]

I really think he's one of the better English goalkeepers (even though there's not much competition)

Carson certainly showed his worth yesterday. Like said yesterday, surely if your a good keeper in the CCC you're a good keeper in the Prem ? It's not the same as an outfield player, and at the age of 25, he's a baby in terms of goalkeepers !

Absolutely, he's probably the best keeper in the championship and take out the Premiership foreign contingent you are left with a small handful of decent keepers.

Joe Hart
Paul Robinson
Robert Green
David James

Can you honestly say Camp is any worse? I'd say he is a lot better than James and Robinson, a little better than the over rated Green and probably on an equal footing to Joe Hart... I'm not saying he should be first choice, but if we pick 3 keepers then he should be the third out of the hat..

SHJ - sometimes you are a cock! lol ........



You're a shoe in for the squad. lol

 

[Daniel]

Because Manuel Almunia is more English than Camp.

Lee Camp - Born in Derby

Manuel Almunia - Born in Pamplona, Spain.

Yes Almunia is "more english than Camp" isn't he? :

 

[Randy Bumgardener]

Because Manuel Almunia is more English than Camp.

Just because Derby is a slum doesn't mean it's abroad :wink:

 

[Spring Heeled Jack]

On what basis ? Why couldn't he get a call up ?

Because he is playing in the Championship. Capello will not be picking a goalkeeper from that league, irrespective of the fact that Camp may well be better than James, Robinson, Carson and probably Green. If we were in the premiership, Capello would probably be looking at Camp, However, it is also highly unlikely that Camp would have gone so long without conceding in the premiership or would have had such high levels of performance.

I know we see him week in week out, but don't forget we are biased towards him.

Like I say, Capello would not pick Lee Camp! He may make a token gesture for a meaningless friendly, like he did for the Peterborough goalkeeper in T&T, but, like the Peterborough keeper, I wouldn't expect to see him get a single minute on the pitch.

 

[Randy Bumgardener]

Because he is playing in the Championship. Capello will not be picking a goalkeeper from that league, irrespective of the fact that Camp may well be better than James, Robinson, Carson and probably Green. If we were in the premiership, Capello would probably be looking at Camp, However, it is also highly unlikely that Camp would have gone so long without conceding in the premiership or would have had such high levels of performance.

I know we see him week in week out, but don't forget we are biased towards him.

Like I say, Capello would not pick Lee Camp! He may make a token gesture for a meaningless friendly, like he did for the Peterborough goalkeeper in T&T, but, like the Peterborough keeper, I wouldn't expect to see him get a single minute on the pitch.

I think there's less competition than when Lewis was picked also though ! When David James is keeping everyone else out you know there's a problem in that department.

I'd never underestimate Pearce's influence either. I doubt Capello would not look at talent a league down just because it's not a top level team.

On another note, why has Ando always been overlooked by the U21's ?

 

[adam09]

I think an England call up is a stretch but the point is, stick Camp behind a Prem defence, would be any worse or better than Green, Foster, James, Robinson? I don't think so. He's a good all round keeper and it wouldn't do any harm playing him in a friendly.

 

[adam09]

And he's played U21 football and at the new Wembley, so it's not like he's alien to the way of international football.

 

[Spring Heeled Jack]

I fully agree, it would do Camp or England no harm whatsoever to play him in a friendly, I just know Capello never will.

 

[Baronvon]

A few years down the line who knows?

However, sadly for Camp there are far too many currently ahead of him in the pecking order.

Can you honestly say Camp is any worse? I'd say he is a lot better than James and Robinson, a little better than the over rated Green and probably on an equal footing to Joe Hart... I'm not saying he should be first choice, but if we pick 3 keepers then he should be the third out of the hat..

I can honestly say that he's not as good as the goalkeepers you mention. Fair enough he's probably more reliable than James in terms of fitness but in terms of ability? I know Robinson has become viewed as damaged good after that unfortunate incident in Croatia but he's be in excellent form for Blackburn having got his confidence back. Green tends to suffer from playing behind a hilariously bad defence and, considering that Hart is a few years younger than Camp, he's already way ahead of him in top flight experience.

I know Camp's in fantastic form but lets not get carried away, should he continue to maintain this form throughout the season and beyond then he'll stand a chance (especially if he starts playing in the Premiership) but we're getting someway ahead of ourselves to suggest that he's a much better goalkeeper than established Premiership/International performers based on half a season.

 

[Tutts]

Will people stop going on about when Joe Lewis was brought in?

He came in because there was an injury in the selected squad after the end of the normal league season.

Therefore the England team brought him across from Under 21's as cover - all the other Premier league clubs had 'broken up for the summer' efectively.

He wasn't picked 'above' more experienced candidates.



As for Camp, until he's tested in front of Premier League attacks there's not a hope in hell of him playing for England. Forget about it people.

 

[Kier]

Would you even want him to play for England, even if there was any chance of him being called up? It would just put him in the shop window.

Camp has been fantastic this season but he would have to prove himself in the Premiership before he's considered or can be compared to the keepers currently in contention.

 

[Tutts]

Would you even want him to play for England, even if there was any chance of him being called up? It would just put him in the shop window.

Camp has been fantastic this season but he would have to prove himself in the Premiership before he's considered or can be compared to the keepers currently in contention.

That too.

 

[Baronvon]

Would you even want him to play for England, even if there was any chance of him being called up? It would just put him in the shop window.

Not to mention that one mistake for England tends to destroy a keeper's confidence like nothing else...it took over a season for Robinson to recover from conceding that goal in Croatia, even though it was more down to a shit pitch than anything else.

 

[Randy Bumgardener]

Will people stop going on about when Joe Lewis was brought in?

He came in because there was an injury in the selected squad after the end of the normal league season.

Therefore the England team brought him across from Under 21's as cover - all the other Premier league clubs had 'broken up for the summer' efectively.

He wasn't picked 'above' more experienced candidates.
As for Camp, until he's tested in front of Premier League attacks there's not a hope in hell of him playing for England. Forget about it people.

Why ? Still a perfect legit argument ! He was still picked on merit due to no real other talent being available. With the other goalkeepers formerly used for England dropping, sorry, hurtling down the pecking order I think there is a lot less competition available.

James - 39 is he now ? not long left and Capello will be looking for a long term replacement ! Even though I still think he's got a few years left in the tank !

Carson - Well, we saw his contribution last night

Kirkland - Still up there I think, but also very injury prone. Not one you can rely on to be there week in week out

Robinson - I have always rated him very highly, even though he seemed to drop from the reckoning. Still imo the best English keeper in the prem !

Green - Still not rated by West Ham fans. blamed regularly for mistakes and incinsistency

Foster - His mistakes have cost sveeral clubs dearly. Whilst he has ability, not one to rely on in important international fixtures.


Yes, I am biased, but I also can't genuinely see why Campy isn't (at the very least) at the same level as the backup keepers !

 

[Ravi]

IF Camp continues to progress, and IF he is regularly playing Prem football over the next few years (with us :wink then he could well be selected for England. As it stands I would say every England keeper currently playing in the Prem is ahead of him in the pecking order.
Oh and Stephen Bywater of course... :dry:

 

[Tutts]

Why ? Still a perfect legit argument ! He was still picked on merit due to no real other talent being available. With the other goalkeepers formerly used for England dropping, sorry, hurtling down the pecking order I think there is a lot less competition available.

You haven't read what I'd said.

The Season was OVER, so the management decided to simply draft in someone from the Under 21 squad - who were also about to play a friendly the day before the England USA match - rather than pull in someone who was on leave from their normal club.

It was not picked on a 'who's the next best keeper in the country' basis.

Therefore it is not a legitimate arguement.

I think Camp is better than a few of those keepers you've listed - but he's still not going to be picked.

 

[Baronvon]

Yes, I am biased, but I also can't genuinely see why Campy isn't (at the very least) at the same level as the backup keepers !

Because he has no Premiership experience whatsoever whilst every other keeper you mention (and Hart) all have.

They're all established (with the exception of Foster/Carson but they've got a fair bit of top flight experience, particularly Carson) at the highest level have proven that they have the talent to remain there. Camp peak so far has come at Championship level which, as many know, is quite a significant step down in quality from the Premiership. Just look at how much better Shorey is than just about all of our players....and he can't even get near the Villa team.

Should Camp one day become an established Premiership keeper then he may have a genuine chance. Until then however it would be naive to so eagerly rank him above the likes of Robinson et al on the basis of some, albiet magnificent, form for us at Championship level.