Kelvin Wilson

[andyred]

I was glad to see Wilson starting yesterday (and playing very well). In both his starts this season he has played well.

I think he lost his way a bit last year, as did a few others but in our promotion year he was our best defender in my opinion. I lost count of the amount of times he used his pace or strength to save us. I think he suffered last year in a poor defensive unit and for some reason used to have a lot of mix ups with Smith.

Hopefully this season with the addition of Gunter and Camp and a much more solid defensive unit he can continue his good form and pick up his progress from the league 1 season.

Special mention as well for Cohen who is looking better at left back every game, if he carries on learning the position he has the attributes to be a good full time left back. These two players have made our need for new players far less urgent.

 

[goatboy]

Kelvin does occasionally be a really good player. Occasionally.

 

[Strummer]

One thing I've noticed about Kelvin is that he looks like he has bulked up a bit, and is now less likely to get out-muscled by an opponent.

That said, I thought he and Wes were superb yesterday.

 

[Jonathan]

He has got older.

People forget that he, like Cohen, is still fairly youthful.

 

[mr happy]

Like clifford says in our league onee promotion season he was a good player consistently not just occaisionally. I like Wilson, on his day he is a very accomplished defender his problem last season was his occaisional lapses in concentration (something he was not the only one guilty of). He seems to have sorted out that part of his game from what I've seen of him this season. Credit has to go the lad he has turned things around and has done a lot to erase the memories of a very silly moment at Bramal Lane. Over the summer many were saying he should be moved on, he's forced his way into contention and on yesterdays form could be a valuable asset to us this season.

 

[Bridgfordred79]

Rio Ferdinand was rather lazy but promising in his youth, and now he plays at the top level.

Wilson this season looks far more professional.

He shouldnt have been captain last year, it should always have been Brecks.

 

[Baronvon]

He was excellent in the second half but was definitely the weak link in the defence in the first half. There were three occasions where Newcastle nearly got in due to him being too relaxed.

Fortunately he was much improved in the second.

 

[Davie]

Had a lot to do to make up for last seasons sending off against Sheff United in a ridiculous manner leaving us with 10 men, away from home with relegation staring us in the face. Performances like the one given last night will certainly help.

 

[t8_red]

i agree that wilson had a great game yesterday, but i think it was a bit harsh dropping chambers for him. i think after gunter he's been our best defender this season if anyone should have been dropped it should have been wes.

 

[winnits]

Chambers has been doing well, but Wilson had a cracking game yesterday. Definitely a contender for man of the match.

 

[Red Duster]

Wilson has been a weak link in games but yesterday he was as good as Wes. Difficult to pick a MotM, maybe moose or mcKina?

 

[mr happy]

i agree that wilson had a great game yesterday, but i think it was a bit harsh dropping chambers for him. i think after gunter he's been our best defender this season if anyone should have been dropped it should have been wes.

Are you kidding? Wes has been an absolute rock for us this season. Man of the match for me yesterday, he's been far and away our stand out defender this season.

 

[Red Duster]

Are you kidding? Wes has been an absolute rock for us this season. Man of the match for me yesterday, he's been far and away our stand out defender this season.

If we'd got fewer than 3 points yesterday I might feel justified in questioning Billys team selection or tactics but ......

If me and billy go on one of those cheap crappy telly programmes where you spend a few days learning the others job, god help forest and my major civil engineering project.

Our players and staff must piss theirselves at the amatuerish crap posted on here, mine included :nowink:

 

[incapable hulk]

Ive always been fairly critical of kelvin, as he in my view hes always been poor. Credit to him though, last night he was excellent. Made a couple of bad mistakes, but more than made up for it with a few fantastic challenges and blocks.

Great game from the lad, and I really hope he can prove all of us, who've criticised him in the past, wrong and become a decent player.

 

[DezzieD]

i agree that wilson had a great game yesterday, but i think it was a bit harsh dropping chambers for him. i think after gunter he's been our best defender this season if anyone should have been dropped it should have been wes.

Rubbish imo! Wes has been our best centre back for years, every manager has picked him ahead of others!

 

[t8_red]

i'm not saying i dont like him. i just think chambers has played better than him this season. wes makes clumsey challenges and running up the field with the ball bouncing off you isn't good no matter how many people are cheering.

 

[Bridgfordred79]

i'm not saying i dont like him. i just think chambers has played better than him this season. wes makes clumsey challenges and running up the field with the ball bouncing off you isn't good no matter how many people are cheering.

ridulous.

When wes goes up he lifts the whole team and often starts attacks.

Clumsy?

this isnt 2004 anymore.

Everytime he commits himself he gets the ball.

 

[RedRobbo]

Don't know what game you guys were watching but, imho, his second half improvement did not balance his first half performance when he was simply dreadful. I counted 3 occasions where his preference for letting the ball bounce instead of heading it away nearly cost us dear. I'm not sure that he is good enough at this level. The one rider I would place on all this is that the two Newcastle strikers are probably as big & as good a pair as we will face all season.

 

[Jelly Bean]

How anyone can critisise Wes is totally beyond me

 

[adam09]

I've always maintained that Wilson's a quality player and will only get better.

Wilson didn't have a bad first half at all. In fact, Wes got dragged out of position 2 or 3 times, leaving a big hole for Nolan to run into and it was Cohen and Wilson who cleaned up the mess.

A lot of people don't notice things like that though.

I counted 3 occasions where his preference for letting the ball bounce instead of heading it away nearly cost us dear.

Really :wacko: I can recall one time he let it bounce and Carroll got in front of him, but it was cleared and didn't even come close to "costing us dear".

 

[incapable hulk]

I've always maintained that Wilson's a quality player and will only get better.

Wilson didn't have a bad first half at all. In fact, Wes got dragged out of position 2 or 3 times, leaving a big hole for Nolan to run into and it was Cohen and Wilson who cleaned up the mess.

This is true, but then wilson was just as guilty for letting the newcastle forwards just run past him at times...and being caught far out of position several times leaving only wes back. The worst one was where marlon shouldve scored, and its solely down to wilson standing still and letting him go.

But thats tit for tat and its easy to pick out mistakes and ignore the good work they both did. Maybe they just need to play together more as its been a while, to get that understanding back. I thought wes was immense, and wilson had a good game too.

 

[marshal99]

i'm not saying i dont like him. i just think chambers has played better than him this season. wes makes clumsey challenges and running up the field with the ball bouncing off you isn't good no matter how many people are cheering.

Chambers played better than Wes ?!? You clearly must be watching different games from me. Chambers can and has looked like a liability this season when we are under the cosh especially when the striker is running at him , he would look like either a) try to pass the ball to the opponents to make sure they have a scoring chance b) try to give them a penalty or c) score an own goal.

I have noticed that nowadays Wes is getting better at reading the game and tries to intercept passes/crosses before it reaches their intended target , he is the only defender we have that does that. Both Chambers & Wilson tends to stand off their strikers and wait.

 

[adam09]

Chambers played better than Wes ?!? You clearly must be watching different games from me. Chambers can and has looked like a liability this season when we are under the cosh especially when the striker is running at him , he would look like either a) try to pass the ball to the opponents to make sure they have a scoring chance b) try to give them a penalty or c) score an own goal.

I have noticed that nowadays Wes is getting better at reading the game and tries to intercept passes/crosses before it reaches their intended target , he is the only defender we have that does that. Both Chambers & Wilson tends to stand off their strikers and wait.

This is the biggest load of bullshit I've read in ages.

How many penalties has Chambers given away? How many own goals has he scored? And how many times did he pass the ball to an opponent to score?

Also, you've clearly never defended before. Standing off an attacker with the football, contrary to fairly popular belief, is NOT the wrong thing to do. Especially if they are running at you with pace. I think the fact a couple of Newcastle players got booked for standing static and simply sticking a leg out as a Forest player flew past shows you what not to do.

Keeping yourself between the goal and the opponent is he right thing to do. Diving in to tackles and interceptions, and missing, is far worse and will prove more costly (ie give them a free run at goal or down the line etc) than keeping in front of the man and making it hard for him to do anything.

I think if you took a few facts you'd find less goals are conceeded by staying in front of the man as he runs 20/30 yards with it, as opposed to missing a tackle and letting him run those 20/30 yards completely unchallenged.

 

[andyred]

This is the biggest load of bulls**t I've read in ages.

How many penalties has Chambers given away? How many own goals has he scored? And how many times did he pass the ball to an opponent to score?

Also, you've clearly never defended before. Standing off an attacker with the football, contrary to fairly popular belief, is NOT the wrong thing to do. Especially if they are running at you with pace. I think the fact a couple of Newcastle players got booked for standing static and simply sticking a leg out as a Forest player flew past shows you what not to do.

Keeping yourself between the goal and the opponent is he right thing to do. Diving in to tackles and interceptions, and missing, is far worse and will prove more costly (ie give them a free run at goal or down the line etc) than keeping in front of the man and making it hard for him to do anything.

I think if you took a few facts you'd find less goals are conceeded by staying in front of the man as he runs 20/30 yards with it, as opposed to missing a tackle and letting him run those 20/30 yards completely unchallenged.

Thats all fair enough but I don't think you can accuse Morgan diving in too much or making any of the mistakes you mention. From the end of last season and the start of this he has been solid. Even attracting special praise from Davies, who I would venture knows a lot more than you about coaching defenders.

Calderwood especially was a top quality centre back in his day. If Morgan was bad at the basics he wouldn't have featured so consistantly under him either.

 

[marshal99]

This is the biggest load of bulls**t I've read in ages.

How many penalties has Chambers given away? How many own goals has he scored? And how many times did he pass the ball to an opponent to score?

Also, you've clearly never defended before. Standing off an attacker with the football, contrary to fairly popular belief, is NOT the wrong thing to do. Especially if they are running at you with pace. I think the fact a couple of Newcastle players got booked for standing static and simply sticking a leg out as a Forest player flew past shows you what not to do.

Keeping yourself between the goal and the opponent is he right thing to do. Diving in to tackles and interceptions, and missing, is far worse and will prove more costly (ie give them a free run at goal or down the line etc) than keeping in front of the man and making it hard for him to do anything.

I think if you took a few facts you'd find less goals are conceeded by staying in front of the man as he runs 20/30 yards with it, as opposed to missing a tackle and letting him run those 20/30 yards completely unchallenged.

How many times did Morgan let his man go ? The abilty to read the game is a defender's best asset , Walker was a master of that and even when his pace was gone , his experience and ability to read the game stood out.