Darth Pierre
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doughty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
doughty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January transfer window all over agaain....?
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Caly in our Alley
Jack Armstrong
Bloody hell - strong stuff from the NEP.
Ashley may have been cavalier, he may have wore the shirt, they did spend a lot of money and they do pay sill amount of wages. He annoyed the fans with the silly appointment of Wise, Kinnear didn’t help, but he got rid of Big Sam (who was not one of his appointments) and brought in Keegan, and finally bowed to the pressure, and gave them Shearer.
Ultimately his decisions ended up in relegation to the championship and now he is only doing what the fans what him to do and sell up and get out of toon!
Doughty, has never been cavalier, too business like to wear the shirt. We have spent approx £17,500,000 on transfer fees and in that time we have recouped approx £29 million (plus don’t forget all the sell on fees with Marlon King, Andy Reid, Jermaine Jenas, Marlon Harewood) which takes that well over an incredible £30 million! We have probably received double what we have spent since the start of 1999!!
So we have had to sell or release our best players, and replace them with inferior players that fitted within our strict Salary wage cap and transfer budget and not pay over the odds for transfer fees and wages!
For Dennis Wise, read David Pleat. Doughtys massive lack of football knowledge means he seeks advice from “cold war” Pleat, and to do the deals he relies on Mark Arthur, his Commander in Chief, the chap who runs the show and takes the flak in the absence of the public shy Chairman!
Doughtys main aim was to reduce the wages, and balance the books – yets still last since we were losing more than £135,000 a week, so hasnt even acheived that. A club being run badly on and off the pitch! Why is the club losing over £7 million a year. Its not the fans, the managers, the players or the tea laddies fault is it?
When looking for new managers, he has never bowed to the Forest fans or listened to their opinions on which manager we would like to see at the club. He always knows best and has not been very successful in his decisions!
And even if we do balance the books, its not as if we can Parade our Bank Balance on an open top bus around Nottingham!
He said he would sooner gove money to charity than overpaid footballers. In January the club spent nothing, they did offer approx £1 million for the likes of Adebola, Rob Jones and Croft, all rejected as derisroy offers. In Feb he and his wife kindly gave that £1 million to charity (over 4 years),
I believe we havent seen Doughty’s passion and ambition...yet. One can question his mangerial appointments and his forethought. His fans interaction is appalling – how often do we hear from him? Even Arthur rarely comments nowadays
We say the same thing every season ... We have blamed everyone over the years, managers, players, but they have all left yet we still have the same problem. Changing the manager seems to have been short-term answer to a long-term problem.
And ultimately he was the Chairman whose decisions took us to League One, and watched us for 3-seasons struggling to get out of it, and last season very nearly back into it!
As Ive said before, and yes I am flogging a dead horse but he club has always been afraid to speculate to accumulate... and they get what they deserve.
I hope this year’s its different and we see the cavalier ambitious Doughty, as the careful shy one simply hasn’t worked and with Billy Davies at the helm I am sure he would be happy to spend big, and If he has got it right with Billy Davies, then Doughty must fully back him!
Ultimately his decisions ended up in relegation to the championship and now he is only doing what the fans what him to do and sell up and get out of toon!
Doughty, has never been cavalier, too business like to wear the shirt. We have spent approx £17,500,000 on transfer fees and in that time we have recouped approx £29 million (plus don’t forget all the sell on fees with Marlon King, Andy Reid, Jermaine Jenas, Marlon Harewood) which takes that well over an incredible £30 million! We have probably received double what we have spent since the start of 1999!!
So we have had to sell or release our best players, and replace them with inferior players that fitted within our strict Salary wage cap and transfer budget and not pay over the odds for transfer fees and wages!
For Dennis Wise, read David Pleat. Doughtys massive lack of football knowledge means he seeks advice from “cold war” Pleat, and to do the deals he relies on Mark Arthur, his Commander in Chief, the chap who runs the show and takes the flak in the absence of the public shy Chairman!
Doughtys main aim was to reduce the wages, and balance the books – yets still last since we were losing more than £135,000 a week, so hasnt even acheived that. A club being run badly on and off the pitch! Why is the club losing over £7 million a year. Its not the fans, the managers, the players or the tea laddies fault is it?
When looking for new managers, he has never bowed to the Forest fans or listened to their opinions on which manager we would like to see at the club. He always knows best and has not been very successful in his decisions!
And even if we do balance the books, its not as if we can Parade our Bank Balance on an open top bus around Nottingham!
He said he would sooner gove money to charity than overpaid footballers. In January the club spent nothing, they did offer approx £1 million for the likes of Adebola, Rob Jones and Croft, all rejected as derisroy offers. In Feb he and his wife kindly gave that £1 million to charity (over 4 years),
I believe we havent seen Doughty’s passion and ambition...yet. One can question his mangerial appointments and his forethought. His fans interaction is appalling – how often do we hear from him? Even Arthur rarely comments nowadays
We say the same thing every season ... We have blamed everyone over the years, managers, players, but they have all left yet we still have the same problem. Changing the manager seems to have been short-term answer to a long-term problem.
And ultimately he was the Chairman whose decisions took us to League One, and watched us for 3-seasons struggling to get out of it, and last season very nearly back into it!
As Ive said before, and yes I am flogging a dead horse but he club has always been afraid to speculate to accumulate... and they get what they deserve.
I hope this year’s its different and we see the cavalier ambitious Doughty, as the careful shy one simply hasn’t worked and with Billy Davies at the helm I am sure he would be happy to spend big, and If he has got it right with Billy Davies, then Doughty must fully back him!
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Daniel
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I think this is another article pushed out to try aimed at not only quelling expectations of fans, but a direct aim towards other clubs to simply say we are not being held to ransom. This I fully understand and we must support it!
We've heard reliable rumours that Doughty is backing Billy, so let's not panic Mr Mannering and let them get on with the job in hand! Remember the Transfer window is technically not open yet!
We've heard reliable rumours that Doughty is backing Billy, so let's not panic Mr Mannering and let them get on with the job in hand! Remember the Transfer window is technically not open yet!
Dan said:
In reality it has, Manc City and Real Madrid (if Ronaldo signs) have spent over £150 million between them already. Also we had brought Earnshaw by this time last season!
Like I said, I hope this is the season Doughty bites the bullet and gives us the funds to make a real impact!
king_congo_red
Ale Ape
Christ almighty, who'd be a football chairman?
Two scenarios to consider:-
1. Doughty goes cavalier and gamles everything he can on getting us to the Premier League. The signings BD makes are sound, but due to a run of bad luck with injuries and suspenisons, the season doesn't go according to plan, leaving us stuck in mid-table with an unsustainable debt and the clubs crown jewels are sold off once again as we plummet back to league 1.
2. Doughty spends sensibly, refusing to pay over-inflated prices/salaries, but still getting a few quality additions in, we don't achieve promotion, but a mid-table finish gives us a platform to build on for the next season.
Two scenarios to consider:-
1. Doughty goes cavalier and gamles everything he can on getting us to the Premier League. The signings BD makes are sound, but due to a run of bad luck with injuries and suspenisons, the season doesn't go according to plan, leaving us stuck in mid-table with an unsustainable debt and the clubs crown jewels are sold off once again as we plummet back to league 1.
2. Doughty spends sensibly, refusing to pay over-inflated prices/salaries, but still getting a few quality additions in, we don't achieve promotion, but a mid-table finish gives us a platform to build on for the next season.
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Daniel
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it may well have done, the fact that no announcement has been made could be for many reasons. However I will point out a few little facts...Widdow said:
The Donny chairman has come out with 2 different stories. Is he lying or is he being put on the spot because a deal has already been done?
The news about Camp and Dexter being transferred from QPR has completely dried up. Absolutely nothing, although previously there was speculation in respect with other clubs.
The same goes for Rob Jones - 2 weeks ago everyone was interested in him and now suddenly not a peep.
On the same sort of lines - Surman and MCGoldrick again, the silence is deafening!!!
Why all the speculation and then suddenly nothing. Maybe the press have just got bored, although it's not out of line to expect that maybe the deals are done but respectfully certain people are requesting for the information to be kept in house.
The only speculation I can actually see still going on is the Gunter speculation, even that has suddenly died. Maybe it's just been a quiet week, but you just don't know! Maybe auntie Guinny and uncle Capello are right and the club are awaiting the deals with sponsers before actually announcing it. Maybe they don't want other clubs to get wind of a big spend. It's all if's and maybes but I really think we should keep our patience and see what happens over the next fortnight!
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that or Davies is a **** who can't sign players. Colin was a God for signings.
thesquareone
First Team Squad
slowly slowly catch a monkey
ç¤ñĝð_ŗèđ said:
As I have said he hasnt had much success with his current strategy, so maybe is the time to spend big. It is a gamble, but if we buy the right type of player, then surely it means if we have gone hell for leather and it hasn’t worked out, those young quality players (like Gunther, Mills, Surman, etc) should still have a good sell on value.
And we don’t have to buy massively if we had good scouting etc, and eye for a good player. Mills only cost Doncaster £300k last season, and now want £2.5 million off us, Westwood went to Coventry for £500k now is valued in the millions. We brought Garner for £1.14m when the season before he was available for £140k.
And hey if it is the scenario that we go up suddenly it will still mean a massive windfall of £60 million, and it is how wisely you spend it and I am sure no one would be complaining to much.
Football is all about taking risks, he doesn’t seem to want to take them, and at the same time isn’t looking to sell the club!
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thesquareone said:
just what are you implying here? Racist
Dorset Red
Viv Anderson
Dan said:
Fully agree Dan. This crap is getting boring. Nothing to talk about so lets stir something up seems the message here. Just let the manager and the board do their job. If Billy complains then I will take some notice. As it is we know jack shit and that is how it should be until something is concrete.
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I think it's time to start panicing, nothing is going right. The wheels have come off. It has been a month since the season finished and theres no sound at all.
- I'm seriously considering starting to follow Newcastle - they are a really big club who will sign players. We just pretend.
- I'm seriously considering starting to follow Newcastle - they are a really big club who will sign players. We just pretend.
Timothy Pope
Just another roll of the Dyche
Now is not the time to panic.
Now is the time to picnic.
Now is the time to picnic.
weasel
Grenville Morris
Widdow said:
Another passage of the usual drivel which only a football fan could write.
In the same breath Doughty is criticised for not spending enough, and also for us losing money year on year. It's honestly beyond a joke.
First you ask 'Why is the club losing £7m a year?' then you go on to say the club has always been afraid to 'speculate to accumulate'.
Jesus Mary and Joesph!! Players are expensive. Too expensive. In today's market if you want Robert Earnshaw you have to pay him more money than you can afford. Thankfully the chairman is willing to meet the defecit from his own pocket, and it kept us up. This approach could often be called speculating to accumulate. However you'd like them to spend yet more, whilst at the same time criticising the amount of money we lose in a year.
What are you talking about!
weasel
Grenville Morris
Widdow said:
Yet more tripe. What about thse gems that the current system have come up with?
Player of the year: Chris Cohen.
Top Goalscorer: Robert Earnshaw
Young talented prospect: Joe Garner
Loan players: Gunter, Osbourne, Blackstock - all class, and kept us up
Now contrast this approach with.....
Dadi, Eaden, Curtis, Impey, Rogers, Evans.......
Since we took this approach it has correlated with the most successful 2 years we've had in a long long time, yet the same people singing Earnshaw and Cohen's names are aiming abuse at David Pleatt. And another thing! We've lodged £4m pounds worth of bids ALREADY! We spent about the same last year. It's unprecedented spending levels for a club just out of League One, and it's coming completely and utterly out of the chairman's pocket in a time of recession.
To criticise what's going on and still want more is mad, illogical, greedy, ungrateful, stupid and ignorant.
Randy Bumgardener
AKA Randy Bumgardener
I'm getting really fed up with this 'lack of signing' bollocks. We won't even own the player until the transfer window starts anyway. Yes it would be nice to have confirmation but Forest have allways held their cards close to their chest. Things could of been done, but we are waiting to announcement because otherwise, clubs may be made aware of how much money there is and keep upping the asking price (aka Donny).
Lets just wait and see before mass panic. It feels like kids being unable to wait until xmas to open their presents. Not many clubs have announced signings and those that have announced big money ones are aware that everyone knows how rich they are anyway !
Lets just wait and see before mass panic. It feels like kids being unable to wait until xmas to open their presents. Not many clubs have announced signings and those that have announced big money ones are aware that everyone knows how rich they are anyway !
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toptrunk said:
You patronising sod, he's a weasel
garrilla
Viv Anderson
wemaybefamousagain
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I don't think people would be getting this frustrated normally but all of these "done deals" and "signings tomorrow" threads are getting people excited only for them to turn out to be a load of old bollocks.
Rumours are one thing but you would think people would have learnt by now not to put their collective choppers on the block and put deadlines/dates on these moves. Having said that, you can just take each rumour with a pinch of salt and sit tight as its far less stressful.
Rumours are one thing but you would think people would have learnt by now not to put their collective choppers on the block and put deadlines/dates on these moves. Having said that, you can just take each rumour with a pinch of salt and sit tight as its far less stressful.
Randy Bumgardener
AKA Randy Bumgardener
Famous said:
Aye. Unfortunately everyone seems to be friends with every player in the football leagues and seems to know some inside info. Personally I laugh a little whan I see (my mate says, my postman's son is) threads. I can't understand why people do it. Wether to attempt look important, get some attention or try and second guess the club. It's laughable !