James Trafford (BUPA)

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DB1702

Geoff Thomas
Ortega is almost as good as Sels - would argue his distribution is better than Sels. Would be happy with either as our number 1 next season.

Really not sure that without European football Ortega would stay as not enough game time. With half the EPL in Europe next season think he will be able to find a number 2 role easily enough.

Ideally keep what we have - no concern whatsoever if Sels gets injured with Ortgea as a back up.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
If City think they can flog use a dud as a makeweight in their negotiation to get Anderson at a cut price, I don't doubt the bi man is savvy enough to tell them to take a long walk off a short pier, into a crocodile infested pirahna swamp.
If he doesn't we can add Trafford to the growing list of players dumped on us by them.
 
Est.1865

Est.1865

Premier League Survivors
Baronvon said:
Everytime I've seen Ramsdale play in the last couple of seasons he's looked absolutely dreadful - yet only a few short years ago there was talk he'd be ousting Pickford from the number one spot.
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I guess I can recall thinking Pickford was bang average for years, and yet he’s proven to be great for both Everton and England over time.
 
Est.1865

Est.1865

Premier League Survivors
Captain Sinister said:
If City think they can flog use a dud as a makeweight in their negotiation to get Anderson at a cut price, I don't doubt the bi man is savvy enough to tell them to take a long walk off a short pier, into a crocodile infested pirahna swamp.
If he doesn't we can add Trafford to the growing list of players dumped on us by them.
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Not cut price, quite the opposite.
 
Master Yates

Master Yates

Stuart Pearce
I have to agree with others here, I have never seen the fuss with Trafford. As others have said, he must have something to be so highly rated, but I just see a decent young keeper hyped up and over priced.

I'd be happy with either Ortega or Sels as number 1 next year. I think I am slightly more towards Ortega if I am honest, due to being younger, having much better distribution, being a bit more inclined to come off his line and Sels seeming to get little niggles more regularly (not taking goal kicks etc). On Sels' side, it's mainly based on loyalty, although if I had to guess I would probably say Sels saves maybe a goal or 2 more from shots over a season.

I can't see Ortega wanting to stay as number 2, so our focus should be securing some decent competition for Sels at a reasonable price. Peretz is a decent shout, Dominik Livakovic will be available too, now that Fener have Ederson. Even if we did want to buy a younger keeper as a succession plan, there are young players like Carl Rushworth, James Beadle or Radek Vitek who are ready for more regular football and would cost a hell of a lot less than Trafford would.

I think we should stay away from these media hype players - they cost shitloads and never seem to be worth the money. I much prefer us signing castoffs, waifs and strays and turning them into stars.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Master Yates said:
I have to agree with others here, I have never seen the fuss with Trafford. As others have said, he must have something to be so highly rated, but I just see a decent young keeper hyped up and over priced.

I'd be happy with either Ortega or Sels as number 1 next year. I think I am slightly more towards Ortega if I am honest, due to being younger, having much better distribution, being a bit more inclined to come off his line and Sels seeming to get little niggles more regularly (not taking goal kicks etc). On Sels' side, it's mainly based on loyalty, although if I had to guess I would probably say Sels saves maybe a goal or 2 more from shots over a season.

I can't see Ortega wanting to stay as number 2, so our focus should be securing some decent competition for Sels at a reasonable price. Peretz is a decent shout, Dominik Livakovic will be available too, now that Fener have Ederson. Even if we did want to buy a younger keeper as a succession plan, there are young players like Carl Rushworth, James Beadle or Radek Vitek who are ready for more regular football and would cost a hell of a lot less than Trafford would.

I think we should stay away from these media hype players - they cost shitloads and never seem to be worth the money. I much prefer us signing castoffs, waifs and strays and turning them into stars.
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Well it's clear Sels is managing some sort of injury this season as he's already had 2 spells out and a few matches where he's needed treatment, tbf that's probably a reason why he's not going to the WC, it either needs more rest than he can get for us or maybe he's booked in for an operation at the end of the season or something.

I'm inclined to agree with you that there's very little between Sels and Ortega and that although Sels is probably quite a bit ahead in terms of his shot stopping, Ortega is adequate here, and much better at things like distribution and commanding his area at crosses and corners, he's also a couple of years younger. We would be fine with either of them as first choice next season.

As for Trafford, I agree with you here as well. He had mainly lower league loans before going to Burnley and though he did fine both times in the second tier when he was in the PL they let a lot in, although that doesn't mean it was necessarily his fault, he wasn't really a standout player in a struggling/relegated side like Pickford was for Sunderland.

Then he goes back to City as first choice and within about 4 minutes they replaced him with Donnarumma, I suppose there's a fair amount of timing there and they probably did intend Trafford to be their keeper but one of the best in the world became available, but either way he only ended up with the odd appearance this season to show what he could do in a better side.

Let's also be clear, we don't have a very good record with keepers from the top clubs who are backups, which probably says a lot more about how good backup keepers are in general than anything else, but - Muric. Turner, Henderson... probably more in that category than the likes of Sels, Samba, Navas. Ortega is the possible exception here...
 
Est.1865

Est.1865

Premier League Survivors
Might get a stay of execution at City, I think several senior players, including the keeper, could bail out now.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Mozza said:
If only Manu hadn't f**ked us about with Henderson.
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The club was right to move on there. He hadn't been convincing in that first half of the season anyway, though we were struggling with the step up, and then he was injured for the second half of the season. He's been solid enough at Palace but nothing spectacular.

So we ended up with a pair of terrible keepers instead but then we ended up with Sels who is better than Henderson anyway.

Without Sels we wouldn't have made EL last season and probably without Sels we wouldn't have managed EL semi finals this year. I suppose in that time period Henderson has a FA cup win and a CL final but Palace have been a solid team for a while now and we're still building up a PL squad.

The club was right not to mess around if MU clearly weren't playing there especially as there were doubts that he was over the injury
 
Baronvon

Baronvon

John Robertson
Master Yates said:
Even if we did want to buy a younger keeper as a succession plan, there are young players like Carl Rushworth, James Beadle or Radek Vitek who are ready for more regular football and would cost a hell of a lot less than Trafford would.

I think we should stay away from these media hype players - they cost shitloads and never seem to be worth the money. I much prefer us signing castoffs, waifs and strays and turning them into stars.
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I'd definitely be on board with this approach. Think it was either mentioned earlier in this thread or somewhere else that Pierce Charles from Sheffield Wednesday would be a good shout. A very good young keeper with decent experience and wouldn't break the bank.

Trafford would cost a fortune in terms of transfer fee and wages - and in reality his career isn't much more impressive than the other names mentioned.

He might go onto be a top keeper, but he's never looked that great whenever I've seen him. Even when playing for City.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
I watched Trafford in the Cup Final that Man Cheaty won against Cheatsea the other week.
He was nervous, like that photo of the schoolgirl surrounded by numerous stallions in their Y-fronts.
In terms of style and ability (and nervousness) he strikes me as very similar to Jordan Smith.
And in terms of price and wages, I think Jordan was worth more.
I think deployment of a barge-pole would be essential if trafford came anywhere near our Club.
 
Master Yates

Master Yates

Stuart Pearce
Baronvon said:
I'd definitely be on board with this approach. Think it was either mentioned earlier in this thread or somewhere else that Pierce Charles from Sheffield Wednesday would be a good shout. A very good young keeper with decent experience and wouldn't break the bank.

Trafford would cost a fortune in terms of transfer fee and wages - and in reality his career isn't much more impressive than the other names mentioned.

He might go onto be a top keeper, but he's never looked that great whenever I've seen him. Even when playing for City.
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Yeah Charles looks decent. You should see what Bristol City fans have been saying about Vitek (on loan from ManYoo). He picked up their supporters player of the year, players player of the year and supporters young player of the year. He is bloody huge too.
 
Baronvon

Baronvon

John Robertson
Master Yates said:
Yeah Charles looks decent. You should see what Bristol City fans have been saying about Vitek (on loan from ManYoo). He picked up their supporters player of the year, players player of the year and supporters young player of the year. He is bloody huge too.
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Can't see him getting much in the way of opportunities with Lammens established as the number one either.

Go get him, Fawaz.
 
Daz

Daz

First Team Squad
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TrickyTree101

TrickyTree101

Viv Anderson
No as he would cost far too much - not worth what Man City want and can easily get better for less - let him rot in the reserves
 
Indored

Indored

Viv Anderson
Definite no to Trafford, really don’t see why people rate him, better around for less money so not worth it.
Forget who he plays for but the guy on loan from Bayern looks really good, Sunderland ??
 
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