Is having money our downfall?

[chib-e]

Been thinking for a while now about how much we spend as a club on signing players and wages compared to other clubs in our division.
For the last 4 or so years we have pretty much spent more money on players than any other club in our leagues, with what i think, limited success!
On paper we sign some awesome players for the league we're in but collectively it doesn't quite come off.
I'm thinking acouple of seasons ago when Scunny stormed League 1, while we were under CC's stewardship with new signings a plenty and they spent just afew quid under their new Psyhio boss and spunked all over the league.
Or last season, at the start of the season in CCC we were the highest spenders, yet we were dire. Meanwhile Swansea and even Donny achieved better things, and better footy on a fraction of our budget.
Doughty has backed us brilliantly but maybe that sort of cuts us out of being in for certain players if you know what i mean. Don't get me wrong i think its ace when we sign the the big names for millions at a time while Derby sign non league shite but somehow, so far anyways, it hasn't worked out.
I'm wondering if these smaller clubs with no money pull together more, search around for the rough diamonds and have a better team spirit than what we do.
We've tried different managers and ideas yet we still under achieve. Where's the answer?
Even after this Tuesdays sorry events I'm still confident this can be our best season for a long while, just hope it "Pay's Off" for us soon as we certainly put our money where our mouth is
compared to other clubs with the same ambitions.

 

[Bridgfordred79]

We are not brash "big spenders" though are we.

We sign good players at even better prices.

 

[JtheNorwegianRed]

We are very close to having built a strong squad.
A team is never better than it's weakest link though. We have to sort out a couple of positions, for sure... but we can't judge our squad this early, especially not after a very poor result.
To put things in perspective; Burnley is not a better team than Man Utd.

 

[chib-e]

We are very close to having built a strong squad.
A team is never better than it's weakest link though. We have to sort out a couple of positions, for sure... but we can't judge our squad this early, especially not after a very poor result.
To put things in perspective; Burnley is not a better team than Man Utd.

We are not brash "big spenders" though are we.

We sign good players at even better prices.

Sure guys, but i'm talking more over the last few seasons as opposed to the last few games if you know what i mean.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

In the next few years, Swansea, Scunny and Donny will all be back in League One. We won't, because of our financial muscle.

 

[ThePatriot]

Watford have set the benchmark now. They showed the rest of the league that it doesn't matter what or who they have up front... They have nothing at the back so just keep getting the ball forward.

 

[02thoeva]

3 games have gone so far, I still think Billy will get it right for you guys. His track record would prove so and with a couple of defenders you'll start to pick up points.When we had him as manager we picked up 5 points off the first 6 and the attitude we had was very similar to what I've read on here. We signed players like Oakley and Howard who were slated for the first but suddenly everything clicked and by Christmas we were top with those 2 fans favourites.

I really despise Davies, but there's no denying he'll get results.

 

[superam]

Giving it Billy Davies to spend is your downfall.

 

[ThePatriot]

Giving it Billy Davies to spend is your downfall.

What... You don't think buying 3 extra strikers was a good idea when you have no defenders? Your ex manager was the same... Errr... what was his name...

I am a bit concerned at some of the players you have let go at a massive loss.

 

[superam]

My sentiments exactly

 

[dbarraclough]

I am confident we will be at least mid table by the new year. If we are anywhere near the bottom come January its bye bye Billy

 

[Erik]

Giving it Billy Davies to spend is your downfall.

I wanted to ask you something about that.

When you got promoted, what was the team and who did he bring in?

He did a remarkable job getting you up, at which point the wheels fell off. He must have done something right that first season? I'm just curious as to the players he used to do it.

 

[02thoeva]

Billy made some good signings at the start of the season (06/07), Matt Oakley, Dean Leacock, Stephen Bywater and Steve Howard. All showed themselves to be more than capable at Championship level and they didn't cost much. Loan signings were shrewd also with Lupoli, Dave Jones (who later signed) and Jon Stead coming in.

It was planning for the Prem that caused probs, signing players like Jay McEveley, Teale, Fagan and Pearson in January disrupted the flow of the side and almost cost us promotion. We were top at this stage and I believe those players were signed with a view to the Prem. We ended up in 3rd having to go through the playoffs. Then again in the summer there was Benny Feilhaber, Miller, Earnshaw and Claude Davies signed for what was close to a combined £10m all who did very little for us.

I think in recognising Championship players he's reasonable at, but at Prem level he was out of his depth and the signings reflected this.

 

[superam]

I wanted to ask you something about that.

When you got promoted, what was the team and who did he bring in?

He did a remarkable job getting you up, at which point the wheels fell off. He must have done something right that first season? I'm just curious as to the players he used to do it.

Darren Moore, Matt Oakley and Steve Howard in that order was the difference. I'm amazed he hasn't tried to poach Oakley from Leicester. Think he'd have been at yours instead of the Preston guy you've just signed, if Leicester hadn't come up.

 

[JtheNorwegianRed]

I don't know how much your club was willing to spend after being promoted, but signing premiership quality players on a long term contract for a newly promoted club is like trying to sign quality in the January window, if you're in a relegation battle. The risk is in many cases just too big.
That's why a team should be ready for the next level when they're promoted... Of course with some healthy additions to the squad. I think the Wolverhampton squad last season would survive the premiership, since I believe both Boro and WBA had weaker squads, and Newcastle ruined themselves...

 

[Erik]

Billy made some good signings at the start of the season (06/07), Matt Oakley, Dean Leacock, Stephen Bywater and Steve Howard. All showed themselves to be more than capable at Championship level and they didn't cost much. Loan signings were shrewd also with Lupoli, Dave Jones (who later signed) and Jon Stead coming in.

It was planning for the Prem that caused probs, signing players like Jay McEveley, Teale, Fagan and Pearson in January disrupted the flow of the side and almost cost us promotion. We were top at this stage and I believe those players were signed with a view to the Prem. We ended up in 3rd having to go through the playoffs. Then again in the summer there was Benny Feilhaber, Miller, Earnshaw and Claude Davies signed for what was close to a combined £10m all who did very little for us.

I think in recognising Championship players he's reasonable at, but at Prem level he was out of his depth and the signings reflected this.

Darren Moore, Matt Oakley and Steve Howard in that order was the difference. I'm amazed he hasn't tried to poach Oakley from Leicester. Think he'd have been at yours instead of the Preston guy you've just signed, if Leicester hadn't come up.

Ah. Thank you.

What I was wondering was that I think at Forest he's doing things slightly different. Most of those you mention above, were at the time (I think) reasonably well experienced players. Certainly not 19-22 year olds.

We've signed a spine of experience in Camp (who isn't that old). McKenna and Adebola, but the rest are less than 23 years old.

That's a massively different approach but one which is consistant with our policy before Davies - I wonder just how many of this summers signings are panel aquisitions with his blessing rather than Davies aquisitions with the panels blessing. It would explain some of his apparant frustrations!

He signed Journeymen pros to get Derby out of the mire and overacheived. Here he seems to be involved with building a team for the future.

I take on board your comments about the Premiership signings. It could be argued that you struggled to attract Premiership quality players, but that's a different discussion.

Coupled with our aquisition panel I'm happy with a manager that's reasonable at spotting Championship talent. After all, that's where we are now. I'll worry about his ability to spot Premiership talent should we get there!

It seems that most Derby supporters who accuse him of wasting money do so on the strength of his signings for the Premier League?

That would be a nice worry for us to have given where we've been of late.

 

[Lee]

too long didn't read.

 

[superam]

Ah. Thank you.

What I was wondering was that I think at Forest he's doing things slightly different. Most of those you mention above, were at the time (I think) reasonably well experienced players. Certainly not 19-22 year olds.

We've signed a spine of experience in Camp (who isn't that old). McKenna and Adebola, but the rest are less than 23 years old.

That's a massively different approach but one which is consistant with our policy before Davies - I wonder just how many of this summers signings are panel aquisitions with his blessing rather than Davies aquisitions with the panels blessing. It would explain some of his apparant frustrations!

He signed Journeymen pros to get Derby out of the mire and overacheived. Here he seems to be involved with building a team for the future.

I take on board your comments about the Premiership signings. It could be argued that you struggled to attract Premiership quality players, but that's a different discussion.

Coupled with our aquisition panel I'm happy with a manager that's reasonable at spotting Championship talent. After all, that's where we are now. I'll worry about his ability to spot Premiership talent should we get there!

It seems that most Derby supporters who accuse him of wasting money do so on the strength of his signings for the Premier League?

That would be a nice worry for us to have given where we've been of late.

Think you might change your mind if you ended up with 10 points for the season :nowink:

 

[Flaggers]

Think you might change your mind if you ended up with 10 points for the season :nowink:

Sorry...which team are you talking about...?!

 

[Erik]

Think you might change your mind if you ended up with 10 points for the season :nowink:

I may well do.

It would at least give me something to enjoy the season before though!

I think I'll be happy to cross the bridge on Premiership survival if we get there!

 

[Erik]

too long didn't read.

Sorry Lee.

I'll try and keep things simple next time.

 

[RedDogChris]

Preston fans said he mostly signed players under the age of 24 whilst managing there.One major signing of note was David Nugent,who he really brought on and developed.So maybe the commitee's and Billy's ideas of our transfer policy aren't that alien and we shouldn't be too concerned about his record in the transfer market.

 

[Lee]

Sorry Lee.

I'll try and keep things simple next time.

 

[Erik]

You asked for it!

 

[weasel]

You could argue that Donny, Sheff Wed, Swansea etc who havn't got huge budgets have done well.

However for every Donny there are 10 Bradford's, Luton's, Port Vale's. Sometime's a club strikes it lucky with their manager and squad and fire up the leagues however we've hardly been unsuccesful. Chris Cohen is the prime example of an expensive bit of business for the League but one that surely put us where we are now.