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GREAT LIVES-BRIAN CLOUGH

Alf-engelos Mindminackers said:
I was showing the missus some Cloughie clips this morning and explaining to her that what made Clough so great for me, and why I admired him as almost a father like figure, was the fact that he was so down to earth and so grounded.

That's why I posted that video of him with those girl guides quotes because can you imagine some of these modern managers like talking about the British girl guides? lol. There's something so comforting and so grounding and so traditional about that and Cloughie was that the embodiment of that.

There he was mixing it with the best and with people like Muhammad Ali talking about him and yet here he is talking about girl guides thinking day, which is just as local and as down to earth as you can get. What a man, and that's why I think there'll never be anybody but like him because all the all today's managers are not only robots but they're caught up in that cycle of bigger cars, bigger houses, flashier lifestyles, it's all bull.

Cooper had very similar qualities, and thus it's why he's one of the rare exceptions who comes close for me.
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Fully agree Alf-Cloughie was a man of the people (a bit like Bill Shankly).
 
Strummer said:
Mr. Clough is immortal, and his legend will live forever.
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I've said this before Strummer but many years ago I went to watch my Scottish team Stenhousemuir for the first time. There's a small bar inside the ground imaginatively called The Wee Bar and after getting a beer a couple of the locals asked where I was from. On answering Nottingham they asked who were my team. When I said Forest a gap suddenly appeared at their table and I was invited to join them. When I sat down they immediately asked me to " tell us a Cloughie story " And so I regaled them for a good half hour or more including the famous Mark Crossley story about the Novotel and the flowers. I put it to you that no ones ever asked to "tell us an Alex Ferguson" or Arsene Wenger story.
 
duncanmckenzie said:
I've said this before Strummer but many years ago I went to watch my Scottish team Stenhousemuir for the first time. There's a small bar inside the ground imaginatively called The Wee Bar and after getting a beer a couple of the locals asked where I was from. On answering Nottingham they asked who were my team. When I said Forest a gap suddenly appeared at their table and I was invited to join them. When I sat down they immediately asked me to " tell us a Cloughie story " And so I regaled them for a good half hour or more including the famous Mark Crossley story about the Novotel and the flowers. I put it to you that no ones ever asked to "tell us an Alex Ferguson" or Arsene Wenger story.
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As I have bored people to death on here with before, in my travels around the world for work, the subject of football often comes up, and when asked who I support, when replaying „Nottingham Forest“, the words that often come next are often „ah!…Brian Clough!“ and yes, the great man’s legend lives on.
 
Captain Sinister said:
I need to check my football history, and would appreciate someone’s help here, but didn’t Forest choose to sell Shilton, rather the Shilton wanting to leave?
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No I think Shilton chose to leave. Didn’t he have all sorts of personal problems and wanted to get away from it all - seem to remember a girl called Tracy being involved
 
Steve B said:
No I think Shilton chose to leave. Didn’t he have all sorts of personal problems and wanted to get away from it all - seem to remember a girl called Tracy being involved
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Tina, wasn’t it?

He was - if I recall - literally caught in his car with his trousers round his ankles.

Hence the famous chant from the Trent End:

„Peter Shilton, Peter Shilton,
Does your wife know that you’re here?
Does your wife know that you’re here!“
 
Strummer said:
Tina, wasn’t it?

He was - if I recall - literally caught in his car with his trousers round his ankles.

Hence the famous chant from the Trent End:

„Peter Shilton, Peter Shilton,
Does your wife know that you’re here?
Does your wife know that you’re here!“
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Definitely Tina. I remember the Trent End just chanting “Tina, Tina!” at him when he returned with Southampton, Aged eight, I was clueless as to why!
 
Strummer said:
Tina, wasn’t it?

He was - if I recall - literally caught in his car with his trousers round his ankles.

Hence the famous chant from the Trent End:

„Peter Shilton, Peter Shilton,
Does your wife know that you’re here?
Does your wife know that you’re here!“
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That’s it Tina!
 
I understood Shilts had gambling problems, and recall the Tina moment, and I assumed Cloughie wanted rid of what he saw as a disruptive influence, and also he had a new wonder kid, Chris woods, pushing for the No.1 shirt.
I hadn't realised Shilts decided to leave to try and put his troubles behind him.
Thanks for enlightening me!
 
Went to the Arsenal game immediately after this incident and the North Bank were in good voice. Some accounts of their singing differ, but I swear I heard "Who were you with last night" sung in unison as he went out to warm up. Or was it cool down!
 
Captain Sinister said:
I understood Shilts had gambling problems, and recall the Tina moment, and I assumed Cloughie wanted rid of what he saw as a disruptive influence, and also he had a new wonder kid, Chris woods, pushing for the No.1 shirt.
I hadn't realised Shilts decided to leave to try and put his troubles behind him.
Thanks for enlightening me!
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No doubt Shilton did have problems, but, whether he jumped or Clough pushed him, he left in 1982 and Chris Woods had left for QPR as early as the summer of 1979 (hence our getting Jim Montgomery as a back-up with the European Cup in mind). It might have been Steve Sutton who was coming through the ranks at the time, but although he proved a very good goalie for us I doubt he was good enough at an early age for Clough to actively want to promote him at Shilton’s expense purely on footballing merit.
 
*All alleged of course.*

There had been some complaints to the club beforehand about money owed by him, but being barred from the Victoria club in town for racking-up a considerable gambling debt before being bailed-out by C&T, once, was serious enough, but then to repeat it after the ban had been lifted was the final straw. A decent signing-on fee from a transfer to another club was seen by all parties as the best compromise.
 
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