Gloryhunters

[thehockleyhustler]

If you look up the definition of the word "supporter" in the english dictionary; in the football sense they are defined as a person who wishes for a particular team to win. In an english language sense, the word "supporter" is very vague.

The book "Why England Lose" categorises fans into the following:

1. Hornby - named after the author of Fever Pitch who talks about the "ideal" football fan - a person who picks one club during childhood and sticks exclusively with that club through thick and think until the day they die.
2. Sod that for a lark floating punters - everyone else.

So I "wished" Leeds to beat Spurs on Wednesday cause I had a small wager on it.

Does that make me a Leeds supporter?....Do it f*ck...can't stand them!

Forest are and will forever be the only team I have any feeling for at all.

 

[outsider]

So I "wished" Leeds to beat Spurs on Wednesday cause I had a small wager on it.

Does that make me a Leeds supporter?....Do it f*ck...can't stand them!

Forest are and will forever be the only team I have any feeling for at all.

That makes you a Hornby.

 

[Forever Forest]

That makes you a Hornby.

No offence mate, but nearly all your posts are trying to 'analyse' football fans and you seem to refer to loads of research and published books on the issue. Are you doing any research into football fans (maybe a dissertation or something?). I agree there are football supporters who might move to an area and follow that particular team, and then move on to the next team, i accept that. But they are not supporters of that team. I cant remember the day I started supporting Forest (my dads a West Ham fan and never lived with him so had no bearing on me as a kid), but there must have been a day when I said I support Forest. That will NEVER change, I couldnt change if I tried (my Forest tatoo might be an issue!). I live in Heanor and its 50 / 50 Forest / Dierby, I thank god I made the right choice! Supporting another team would make me sick. If someone said Ive got tickets to the F.A Cup final between Man Utd and Chelsea or Forest V Scunthorpe, id take Forest every time without hesitation. Thats what being a football fan means. The bloke who changed alleginces from Luton to MK Dons wasnt a fan because fans just cant change clubs, it just doesnt happen.

 

[Anatoli]

Why Hornby?

Hornby as a source of model railways was actually an amazing retailer. When Britain was the best in the world at everything.

 

[outsider]

No offence mate, but nearly all your posts are trying to 'analyse' football fans and you seem to refer to loads of research and published books on the issue. Are you doing any research into football fans (maybe a dissertation or something?). I agree there are football supporters who might move to an area and follow that particular team, and then move on to the next team, i accept that. But they are not supporters of that team. I cant remember the day I started supporting Forest (my dads a West Ham fan and never lived with him so had no bearing on me as a kid), but there must have been a day when I said I support Forest. That will NEVER change, I couldnt change if I tried (my Forest tatoo might be an issue!). I live in Heanor and its 50 / 50 Forest / Dierby, I thank god I made the right choice! Supporting another team would make me sick. If someone said Ive got tickets to the F.A Cup final between Man Utd and Chelsea or Forest V Sc**thorpe, id take Forest every time without hesitation. Thats what being a football fan means. The bloke who changed alleginces from Luton to MK Dons wasnt a fan because fans just cant change clubs, it just doesnt happen.

The subject of football fandom is something I find interesting and from what I can gather, everyone is different. I hope I'm not causing offence but I can't help it when someone starts a thread on football fans - okay, I probably started some myself.

Everyone has different values and priorities. The way you operate and the way this Luton/MK Dons switcher operates is completely different. Its a very divided subject.

Interestingly, there was a debate on the radio where someone claimed to support two teams and the telephone hotlines were hot with people either condemning the guy or admitting they do the same.

 

[Forever Forest]

Good on ya mate, keep discussing it if you find it interesting, by the look of the post a lot of others do aswell! I wasnt being offence when I asked if you were doing research, just interested as you seem to discuss it alot and have obviously researched the area. There maybe cases were fans change teams (like I said ive never heard of it) but these must be very isolated!

I dont buy into this hatred of fairweather fans of clubs, its natural.

Some people might not be huge football fans but do attach themselves to a club.

They probably cant justify paying £27 to watch a game of football that will probably be crap. However, when 'their' team are doing well they might come along to watch (team X) - a bit like what were seeing at Forest now. Get them through the door and get their money - more the merrier I say.

By the way Watford Red - whats your story then - why did you choose Forest?

 

[radfordred]

If it was up to me i would not allow anyone in the city ground without an NG postcode.

Go in the away end.

Sorry that's how it is.

 

[Flaggers]

Football (imho) is most closely allied to religion.

Once you decide (or have it chosen for you) that you are a fan of team "X", that's it.

It's not negotiable.

Thick or thin, win or lose, heartache or joy - triumph or despair - you nail your colours to the mast, and THAT'S IT.

If you really mean it, you can't change it. The allegiance, once defined, is permanent.

Yes, you can enjoy other teams' successes, performances etc, but deep down, heart of hearts, once a Forest fan, ALWAYS a Forest fan, and ONLY a Forest fan.*

Like religion, you can pick it up later in life, or you can drop it...but you can't change your church, and really mean it.

Other supporters of other teams will try and convert you, they'll belittle your team and its achievements...
...but you have faith. It's stronger than Araldite. Your time will come, and your day in the sun awaits. You know this. You are patient. You suffer the setbacks, the heartaches, the pain and anguish because you KNOW...YOU KNOW that with patience and faith, your time of reward & pleasure will arrive, and how sweet it will taste.

It's not a fashion thing.

Look at it today: We're a civilised society. But you still need military levels of policing to prevent the proverbial hitting the extractor when Forest play D***y, City play United, Arsenal & Spurs.... The bloodiest wars were religious ones. In today's society, football rivalry is as close as we get to the old days of crusades & religious persecution.

Anyone who says they can go and become a fan of another team is, I'm afraid, fibbing.

*(other teams are available)

 

[Forever Forest]

If it was up to me i would not allow anyone in the city ground without an NG postcode.

Go in the away end.

Sorry that's how it is.

You complete tool. Ive got a DE75 postcode, as have hundreds who go to the City Ground every week.

What if a season ticket holder born and bred in Nottingham moved away for work / family reasons - you wouldnt let them in unless they sat with the away fans? I think youd be suprised how many Forest fans come from outside a NG postcode.

I wasnt born in Nottingham (London actually) but I made sure my kids were, even though I live in heanor and they thought id be going to Derby City Hospital. I told my misses that if you got took to hospital when labour started and they tried to take you to Dierby, i was going to drive the ambulance to Nottingham myself as I oculdnt bear to have my kids born in Dierby! I class Nottingham as 'my' local city. I live around 11 miles from both Notts and dierby city centres. Every time I go to Dierby i feel uneasy, like im trespassing or something.

There are 1000's Forest fans in Heanor / Ilson / Long Eaton, they all have DE postcodes. Sorry, but you are talking utter f**king b*****ks - Sorry thats how it is

You havnt thought this one through have you?

 

[BuckeyeRed]

If it was up to me i would not allow anyone in the city ground without an NG postcode.

Go in the away end.

Sorry that's how it is.

Complete bullshit.
This club has been a big part of me for a long, long time and I've never had a NG postcode. Those that do are fortunate. They can go to any game they choose. It is not possible for me to get to more than one or two games per season because of where I live. All that means is that I am on Forest Player EVERY game living and dying with this club, wishing I was at the CG.

I never wear any other clubs' shirt. It's always the Garibaldi.

I feel sorry for glory hunters because I doubt that they will ever know what it means to say, 'you don't pick the club, the club picks you.'

 

[Jakarta Jim]

I grew up in Ipswich and the first match my father took me to , as an impressionable 11 year old ( in those days 11 was still young !!) was v Forest at Portman Road in April 78

Forest had already won the title and they beat Ipswich that day with great style and from that day on I have always followed Forest

I may not have lived in Nottingham but always felt really welcome in the Forest end when attending away matches in London and during my Uni days .

I now live in Indonesia where we get live Premier league football on a Saturday afternoon ( well its already night time here when its broadcast) so am looking forward to being able to see Forest next year .

For me real supporters can come from anywhere but should never change their clubs

 

[Tartan Tart Ups]

This is an interesting thread with many varying views as one would expect.

So my story......

I was Born in Edinburgh and from a very young age supported Hibs, at the age of 10 (that was young back then) I had my very first season ticket at Easter road, it was difficult as my dad was a Jambo scummer (I used to go with my uncle who was also a hibbie ). I held a season ticket at Easter Road for 10 years (for the last 2 years of this I was living in Germany) I used to fly from Germany for nearly every home fixture, this also allowed me to get back home to see the now Mrs "Red Dogs Of War".

My grandad was a mines rescue worker and had moved from Edinburgh to Nottingham to work in the mid 70's. During the school holidays I would visit Grandma & Grandad in Nottingham for a week or two, this is where I first watched Forest, if memory serves my right my first game was the 1977/1978 season where we beat Bristol City 1-0 at the CG.

I moved from Germany to Nottingham in 1997, for my first year back in Nottingham I went to say 50% of Forest's home games. The following season 1998/99 I purchased a season ticket which I've now held for the best part of 12 years. My son now 12 has had a season ticket since he was 6, hes even pulled the Garibaldi on and represented Forest at academy team level (Now that was one of the proudest moments of my life).

I follow Forest home and away as much as possible, including the European preseason friendlies to which many on here will voucher for.

I support Forest and Hibs...........................................This does not make me a Glory Seaker as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Forever Forest]

This is an interesting thread with many varying views as one would expect.

So my story......

I was Born in Edinburgh and from a very young age supported Hibs, at the age of 10 (that was young back then) I had my very first season ticket at Easter road, it was difficult as my dad was a Jambo scummer (I used to go with my uncle who was also a hibbie ). I held a season ticket at Easter Road for 10 years (for the last 2 years of this I was living in Germany) I used to fly from Germany for nearly every home fixture, this also allowed me to get back home to see the now Mrs "Red Dogs Of War".

My grandad was a mines rescue worker and had moved from Edinburgh to Nottingham to work in the mid 70's. During the school holidays I would visit Grandma & Grandad in Nottingham for a week or two, this is where I first watched Forest, if memory serves my right my first game was the 1977/1978 season where we beat Bristol City 1-0 at the CG.

I moved from Germany to Nottingham in 1997, for my first year back in Nottingham I went to say 50% of Forest's home games. The following season 1998/99 I purchased a season ticket which I've now held for the best part of 12 years. My son now 12 has had a season ticket since he was 6, hes even pulled the Garibaldi on and represented Forest at academy team level (Now that was one of the proudest moments of my life).

I follow Forest home and away as much as possible, including the European preseason friendlies to which many on here will voucher for.

I support Forest and Hibs...........................................This does not make me a Glory Seaker as far as I'm concerned.

Nice story mate. My uncle lives in Edinburgh - I did the Edinburgh marathon last year. What a nice city it is. Forst have fans all around the world. Acccording to that bloke, we should send Ebby back to Germany - Ebby's more of a Forest fan than he will ever be

Unimaginable I know - if Forst played Hibs in europe, who would yo follow?

 

[Jonathan]

If it was up to me i would not allow anyone in the city ground without an NG postcode.

Go in the away end.

Sorry that's how it is.

What an absolute joker.

Does it not make someone more of a fan if they travel to every game, home and away, from 200 miles away?

What about me and my Dad. I lived in Nottinghamshire for 12 years and he was born in Blidworth. Neither of us live in the area now, so are we not allowed back? Also, I lived in Nottinghamshire, but had a Doncaster postcode.

I guess I should have supported Rovers instead... :



Back to the Watford Red point about different 'types' of supporters, I agree with him entirely. People seemed unable to grasp the concept of football fans. There's a difference between a fan or football and a supporter of a club.

All the people on here who have a go at him are, as he says, Hornbys.

The rest, who love football for being football are the other group. It's fairly simple.

 

[Huxley]

The thing is, the more fairweather supporter or the bloke just interested in watching a game or two are not likely to spend all day on a football forum to debate their own take on why they come to Forest. But that doesn't mean they don't exist.

I'm with the come one come all approach. For one thing, we need their money

Also, I'm an LE11 postcode and have been following Forest for the best part of 35yrs, home and away when I was young and carefree and less so now I've a bunch of little monsters ( One of which is a die hard forest fan now, one of which is a girl, and another who's 2yrs old and already has the kit etc....). There's no way I'm ever going to sit in the away end at Forest.

 

[thehockleyhustler]

This is an interesting thread with many varying views as one would expect.

So my story......

I was Born in Edinburgh and from a very young age supported Hibs, at the age of 10 (that was young back then) I had my very first season ticket at Easter road, it was difficult as my dad was a Jambo scummer (I used to go with my uncle who was also a hibbie ). I held a season ticket at Easter Road for 10 years (for the last 2 years of this I was living in Germany) I used to fly from Germany for nearly every home fixture, this also allowed me to get back home to see the now Mrs "Red Dogs Of War".

My grandad was a mines rescue worker and had moved from Edinburgh to Nottingham to work in the mid 70's. During the school holidays I would visit Grandma & Grandad in Nottingham for a week or two, this is where I first watched Forest, if memory serves my right my first game was the 1977/1978 season where we beat Bristol City 1-0 at the CG.

I moved from Germany to Nottingham in 1997, for my first year back in Nottingham I went to say 50% of Forest's home games. The following season 1998/99 I purchased a season ticket which I've now held for the best part of 12 years. My son now 12 has had a season ticket since he was 6, hes even pulled the Garibaldi on and represented Forest at academy team level (Now that was one of the proudest moments of my life).

I follow Forest home and away as much as possible, including the European preseason friendlies to which many on here will voucher for.

I support Forest and Hibs...........................................This does not make me a Glory Seaker as far as I'm concerned.

AKA.... A Splitter!

 

[Daniel]

If it was up to me i would not allow anyone in the city ground without an NG postcode.

Go in the away end.

Sorry that's how it is.

I assume you are either 10 years or have no concept of life.

I would say it is fans like you that should "Go in the away end"

 

[andover red]

If it was up to me i would not allow anyone in the city ground without an NG postcode.

Go in the away end.

Sorry that's how it is.

Enough people have told you that you're a cock so it doesn't really need me to do so. But I want to because you deserve it - cock :w**ker:

You will pobably hate my story, but tough. I have never lived in Nottingham or anywhere near. I have lived most of my life in Hampshire / Wiltshire - miles from any club. My family have not got a strong connection with any club either. All that meant that I had no allegiance at all as a youngster. I started following Forest as a 9-10 year old because they played great football and because Brian Clough inspired me with his words. All of my life I've been surounded by fans of Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal who never go to games and (in recent years) mocked me mercilessly for supporting Forest. I don't care, because none of them enjoy their team's success like I enjoy mine. They will never know the joy that brings.

There are plenty of others on here who could testify to my 'support' of Forest. I have a wife and a kid on the way, I live 150 miles from Notingham so can't go to games as much as I'd like. However, I have travelled to europe to watch them play and went to 13/14 away games during our second season in League One, so can hardly be described as a glory hunter. No other team makes me laugh, no other team makes me cry like when we got promoted.

Cock.

 

[outsider]

If it was up to me i would not allow anyone in the city ground without an NG postcode.

Go in the away end.

Sorry that's how it is.

This sounds like the recommendation of a consultant.

 

[D-BAR1970]

This sounds like the recommendation of a consultant.

It sounds like the recommendation of a t**t.

 

[FBS]

If it was up to me i would not allow anyone in the city ground without an NG postcode.

Go in the away end.

Sorry that's how it is.

That's a funny post

 

[outsider]

It sounds like the recommendation of a t**t.

Another name for a consultant. You know - the ones the council spend a fortune on to come up with stupid ideas.

 

[outsider]

Football (imho) is most closely allied to religion.

Once you decide (or have it chosen for you) that you are a fan of team "X", that's it.

It's not negotiable.

The idea of your football team being like a religion is how hardcore supporters like to think of it as. However, not everyone thinks like that.

For evidence of this - look at MK Dons and AFC Wimbledon. If the religious model represented all football fans then both these clubs would have flopped. Okay, MK Dons is only getting about 10,000 through the door but thats 10,000 people who would have gone elsewhere a few years ago.

Also, during childhood, a lot of people would have switched teams regularly in response to their friends. I'm sure the parents amongst you may have had the challenge of making their "big four" supporting child convert to Forest only to get responses "but all my friends support Arsenal" and when the child grows up, they may start supporting Forest after all.

Tribal football is like religion - all MAN MADE. Your belief in a higher power is a personal spiritual affair but the need to practice rituals in response to these beliefs constitutes religion and that is all man made. A senior church leader inspired me with that statement.

 

[Flaggers]

Nah.

It's a religion.

Forest = faith
City Ground = church
Billy Davies = Vicar
ND = Archbishop
MA = Deacon

Fixture list = the weekly worship, with extra services at Christmas and Easter.

We even sing "hymns" without accompaniment....

 

[T.B.T.]

Nah.

It's a religion.

Forest = faith
City Ground = church
Billy Davies = Vicar
ND = Archbishop
MA = Deacon

Fixture list = the weekly worship, with extra services at Christmas and Easter.

We even sing "hymns" without accompaniment....

And here's Sir Flagman, StuC, Alex and Winnits. ;D