Gloryhunters

[foresttease]

Are you sick of seeing Gloryhunting "supporters" who wear shirts of the big 4 never having seen them play (other from in their armchairs?).
Why don't they support their local team? Let's all make an effort to convert one or two into Forest fans. If you know any, invite 'em down to the City Ground to enjoy a real good Forest experience, which may convert them into wearing our colours when we get back to the Prem.

 

[king_congo_red]

Why don't they support their local team? Let's all make an effort to convert one or two into Forest fans.

We don't want them.

 

[yam]

Funny that most sadpies labelled our supporters as glory hunters. Funny how support has barely dropped even following 3 years in division 3.

Now we're just all chavvy teenagers :dan:

 

[Razza01]

Even chavvy teenagers are Forest's future, one day they will be bringing their kids to watch Forest.

 

[RedMark]

Never really bothered me who Mr Smith next door supports, or Fat Paul down the road. They have their reasons for doing so family etc.

My gran would preach Newcastle to me for years, even went to a few games when I was much younger, but loyalty shone through and I always more interested in how Forest did.

I think most of the supporters today who can't afford to go to games are more swayed by who they see on the TV and that happens to be the top 4.

 

[andover red]

Even chavvy teenagers are Forest's future, one day next year they will be bringing their kids to watch Forest.

 

[the mask of zorro]

If you offered most of these 'fans' (not supporters in any sense) a free ticket to watch their chosen heroes, they would s**t themselves, then stick it on e bay.

They have no intention of going to a match, so let them sit and watch their chosen teams, decked out in their replica shirts, in their living rooms.

Funny that most sadpies labelled our supporters as glory hunters.

And then boast about how much their support has improved, now they are having a decent season. :nowink:

 

[Flaggers]

Even chavvy teenagers are Forest's future, one day they will be bringing their kids to watch Forest.

Indeed. And both parent and child can legally pay the "Juvenile" price for tickets...

 

[Daniel]

Are you sick of seeing Gloryhunting "supporters" who wear shirts of the big 4 never having seen them play (other from in their armchairs?).
Why don't they support their local team? Let's all make an effort to convert one or two into Forest fans. If you know any, invite 'em down to the City Ground to enjoy a real good Forest experience, which may convert them into wearing our colours when we get back to the Prem.

So are you saying I should support West Ham? :

 

[king_congo_red]

So are you saying I should support West Ham? :

...adn I should support Peterborough? (well, I sort of do...but not in the same way as I do Forest ;D)

 

[foresttease]

So are you saying I should support West Ham? :

No - Dagenham and Redbridge ;D

Seriously, you can't be called a GLORYhunter as there ain't been much to shout about lately. It's the nuggets that jump on the team that is doing well for that particular season and then swop tops if someone else wins something. Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool.
I guess we will see a new breed if Man C kick on and actually end their 34 year barren spell!

 

[Rogue]

Most of the people my age in my area support Championship sides. (or lower)

Most of them are good at getting their kids to follow suit.

 

[JoeBaker]

The gloryhunter isn't a new concept, I can remember when I was at School and Forest were winning League Titles and European Cups some kids still supported Liverpool etc

 

[Daniel]

No - Dagenham and Redbridge ;D

Seriously, you can't be called a GLORYhunter as there ain't been much to shout about lately. It's the nuggets that jump on the team that is doing well for that particular season and then swop tops if someone else wins something. Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool.
I guess we will see a new breed if Man C kick on and actually end their 34 year barren spell!

;D I'm a bit more classier than Daggers... Billericay is my closest town but they are shit.

Thank you, but as a point from a passionate fan who had little connection with Nottingham, I feel dirty going to see Brentwood Town play shitty non league football. As far as I am concerned football is not football if Forest are not playing.

 

[outsider]

You're assuming everyone who wears a Chelsea shirt is a glory hunter - how do you know they're not from London? In this era, people move around the country more than they did years ago. Also, some people may support a big four team for family reasons. Also, what if they're a big four season ticket holder merely visiting the area?

Each football fan has their own reasons for supporting their football team(s) - no, this isn't a typo, some people actually support more than one team. That person you saw at Nottingham train station wearing the Liverpool shirt? Chances are, if Forest made it to Wembley, that individual may go down to Wembley dressed out as a lifelong Forest supporter. That plain clothed person sitting next to you at Wembley, how do you know he doesn't hold a season ticket for Pride Park? When Watford went to Chelsea, I took a Luton Town supporting friend with me and sat three seats away from us was a friend of his, who supports Luton Town and Watford.

Each person's support of their team(s) is different. There are many types of football supporter including glory hunters, underdog supporters, professional wanders, football fans (people who are fans of football rather than a particular team).

One reason why you may get a lot of big four supporters is because its easier for them to follow these teams than it is to follow their local teams. They may not be able to get to the City Ground due to having family commitments and as you know from last weekend, Sky aren't interested in Championship derbies. In the sunday papers, you have to refer to the middle section to find info about Forest, and sometimes its only a small article. A big four team usually haunts the back cover and they'll also make it into the news pages if a big four WAG changes her coat or fills up at a petrol station.

 

[outsider]

The gloryhunter isn't a new concept, I can remember when I was at School and Forest were winning League Titles and European Cups some kids still supported Liverpool etc

The glory hunter is only one type of fan - they even have an opposite known as an underdog supporter. In addition, you get professional wanderers (people who move around the country regularly, developing loose allegiances to multiple teams) and "football fans" (people who don't support a particular team but enjoy watching football). Tapp and Clowes managed to identify about 9 different types of supporter in their research of football fandom.

 

[Hoax]

I thought this thread was going to be about the 5000 or so extra fans we have had at the City Ground since our unbeaten run started.

 

[yam]

You're assuming everyone who wears a Chelsea shirt is a glory hunter - how do you know they're not from London? In this era, people move around the country more than they did years ago. Also, some people may support a big four team for family reasons. Also, what if they're a big four season ticket holder merely visiting the area?

Each football fan has their own reasons for supporting their football team(s) - no, this isn't a typo, some people actually support more than one team. That person you saw at Nottingham train station wearing the Liverpool shirt? Chances are, if Forest made it to Wembley, that individual may go down to Wembley dressed out as a lifelong Forest supporter. That plain clothed person sitting next to you at Wembley, how do you know he doesn't hold a season ticket for Pride Park? When Watford went to Chelsea, I took a Luton Town supporting friend with me and sat three seats away from us was a friend of his, who supports Luton Town and Watford.

Each person's support of their team(s) is different. There are many types of football supporter including glory hunters, underdog supporters, professional wanders, football fans (people who are fans of football rather than a particular team).

One reason why you may get a lot of big four supporters is because its easier for them to follow these teams than it is to follow their local teams. They may not be able to get to the City Ground due to having family commitments and as you know from last weekend, Sky aren't interested in Championship derbies. In the sunday papers, you have to refer to the middle section to find info about Forest, and sometimes its only a small article. A big four team usually haunts the back cover and they'll also make it into the news pages if a big four WAG changes her coat or fills up at a petrol station.

He/she does kind of qualify it with

Are you sick of seeing Gloryhunting "supporters" who wear shirts of the big 4 never having seen them play (other from in their armchairs?).

 

[outsider]

Are you sick of seeing Gloryhunting "supporters" who wear shirts of the big 4 never having seen them play (other from in their armchairs?).

You'll get football fans who don't make it to football matches - maybe they have family/work commitments which get in the way. To someone who doesn't go to a football match regularly, it is easier for them to follow a big four team as they get all the coverage.

 

[yam]

I think the word never means "not once" or "not ever" and not "not on a regular basis"

 

[kennylaing]

Interesting debate this one.

I think there needs to be more work done on the definition of a football follower. There certainly are lots of different 'types' along the fan/supporter/fanatic spectrum.

Personally, I am a fanatic and have lived in lots of areas of the country, but always travelled to watch Forest every week. (Southampton to Nottingham was a real ball ache)

The thought of going to watch another team in England makes me feel ill.

 

[Daniel]

I thought this thread was going to be about the 5000 or so extra fans we have had at the City Ground since our unbeaten run started.

To be fair those fans have always been there, but like with anything the better times will pursuade them to make more of an effort to attend games.

I assume those who criticise fans for not attending games are usually men/boys without children. Unfortunately the majority of these people do not see the bigger picture and therefore wrongly assume why people do not attend every game.

Let me enlighten you.

Economics - Football is currently an expensive day out, mr joe average with 1 very young child who pays for nappies, childcare, new clothes etc struggles. If the team are not doing well he will naturally think that the £50 it would cost with football (i'm talking about a local here) will be best spent towards other more important things. The same goes with men with slightly older children, however they take the time to go out for family days out swimming or theme parks to amuse the child and whilst still taking an interest in Forest, will decide not to attend because the money is better spent on his family.

Any person who criticises this approach is wrong.

Naturally with the team on the up, in both cases of the above, Mr Joe Average might just decide that a day out to football is a treat, knowing full well the team are going great and good feeling is all around. The emotional pull just makes him think that maybe once or twice the money is not wasted!

Time taken up - As you know a day out to football will take at least 4 hours of your day. Life as we know it is a rush, we have a frantic week and really no time for ourselves. Again Mr Joe Average may decide to take his children out rather than going to football. Young children are very time consuming and to spend time with them is a truly wonderful thing for a parent. In the same view as the economic view, one is more inclined to go to a game when things are going well.

Generally you will probably find that the majority of the extra 5000 people attending games now are men with young children as above choosing to have the odd day out going to football rather than centre parcs.

 

[outsider]

Interesting debate this one.

I think there needs to be more work done on the definition of a football follower. There certainly are lots of different 'types' along the fan/supporter/fanatic spectrum.

There has been research conducted into football fans. Look for the research conducted by Tapp and Clowes (2002).

The book "Why do England always lose" by Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski has a chapter on this subject and explains it very well.

 

[Hoax]

To be fair those fans have always been there, but like with anything the better times will pursuade them to make more of an effort to attend games.

I assume those who criticise fans for not attending games are usually men/boys without children. Unfortunately the majority of these people do not see the bigger picture and therefore wrongly assume why people do not attend every game.

Let me enlighten you.

Economics - Football is currently an expensive day out, mr joe average with 1 very young child who pays for nappies, childcare, new clothes etc struggles. If the team are not doing well he will naturally think that the £50 it would cost with football (i'm talking about a local here) will be best spent towards other more important things. The same goes with men with slightly older children, however they take the time to go out for family days out swimming or theme parks to amuse the child and whilst still taking an interest in Forest, will decide not to attend because the money is better spent on his family.

Any person who criticises this approach is wrong.

Naturally with the team on the up, in both cases of the above, Mr Joe Average might just decide that a day out to football is a treat, knowing full well the team are going great and good feeling is all around. The emotional pull just makes him think that maybe once or twice the money is not wasted!

Time taken up - As you know a day out to football will take at least 4 hours of your day. Life as we know it is a rush, we have a frantic week and really no time for ourselves. Again Mr Joe Average may decide to take his children out rather than going to football. Young children are very time consuming and to spend time with them is a truly wonderful thing for a parent. In the same view as the economic view, one is more inclined to go to a game when things are going well.

Generally you will probably find that the majority of the extra 5000 people attending games now are men with young children as above choosing to have the odd day out going to football rather than centre parcs.

Easy mate I was joking!

 

[outsider]

I assume those who criticise fans for not attending games are usually men/boys without children. Unfortunately the majority of these people do not see the bigger picture and therefore wrongly assume why people do not attend every game.

Economics - Football is currently an expensive day out, mr joe average with 1 very young child who pays for nappies, childcare, new clothes etc struggles. If the team are not doing well he will naturally think that the £50 it would cost with football (i'm talking about a local here) will be best spent towards other more important things.

This is very true when you're trying to convince fans to part with ridiculous sums of money to get into a football match.

When people spend money, they want to get something in return - especially if parting with a lot of money. Whilst they won't always get a win, they expect to see a decent performance. If they're served up rubbish, they'll find something else to spend their money on.

Football clubs are realising that the spectators are customers, very much like restaurant customers. If they get a good meal, they'll come back for more - if they're served rubbish, they'll take their money elsewhere.