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Givairo Read

Surely water is inherently wet and makes other things wet because it leaves some of itself behind.

A towel is only wet because it's full of water. Once the water is removed again it's no longer wet.
Wetness is the physical property of a liquid adhering to the surface of a solid.
Because water is the liquid itself rather than a solid surface coated in moisture, it makes other things wet without being wet itself.
 
I've seen plenty of "some people just want bodies in and will behave like spoilt brats if it doesn't happen" posts taking the piss "I'll scream and scream till we sign a player" etc. like people don't think others understand the processes in hand, it's a bit tiresome when 2 or 3 wade in like a mob because someone has a different view, I suppose eveyones bored, people also don't read posts properly and wade in, I was asked to name specific players we'd missed out on when I hadn't even said we had done so.

To clarify where I'm at (if anyones interested) we knew Anderson was going and for big money well before the WC, so if Glasner had said he'd told the club to hold off signings till he'd assessed everyone then fine, but he didn't he said they had identified targets, so I would have expected to see someone on board ready for preseason which many have said is critical to implement new systems plus fitness, city, spurs etc. Have gone early with signings so have brentford, brighton etc. i mean wtf is going on with Diomande? I'm sure we'll see players in towards deadline day as we always do but this season above all others I think we needed to start early and give ourselves the best chance, that's why i'm concerned not because I just want to see shiny new players.

I don't follow your comment about stating rumour as fact, have I done this somewhere?
We’ve had people both defending the transfer policy and others complain about it - both sides have folk regularly banging the drum so all need fk be careful not to play the victim.

If I am honest I find the points about Anderson going and Glasner coming in and already having a recruitment plan a bit much
 
Wetness is the physical property of a liquid adhering to the surface of a solid.
Because water is the liquid itself rather than a solid surface coated in moisture, it makes other things wet without being wet itself.
Where does that leave a cloud, wet or dry? 🤔
 
Where does that leave a cloud, wet or dry? 🤔
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If I am honest I find the points about Anderson going and Glasner coming in and already having a recruitment plan a bit much

Not sure why, we knew Anderson was going for weeks, we bid on Bergvall and Spurs want too much money, fine move on, but who's next on the list? We usually find out through Romano etc. Who the next target is but nothing. Are we sweating it out on Bergvall eventually being available at a reduced price? Again thats fine but very risky potentially leaving us with a last minute panic buy instead if he goes elsewhere or stays

I'll reiterate it's not kid in a sweet shop stuff, I'm surprised more business hasn't been done considering everyones learning a new system, the importance of preseason and the fact half the league have sorted their main targets already

I'm sure ( I hope) things will all pan out fine, but we have already lost time, we're what? 3 weeks from the first league game? The lack of incomings for preseason will have a negative effect as players will have less time to integrate
 
I'll reiterate it's not kid in a sweet shop stuff, I'm surprised more business hasn't been done considering everyones learning a new system, the importance of preseason and the fact half the league have sorted their main targets already
I didn't know that half the league have sorted their main targets already.

That does change the perspective somewhat.

It means Forest have waited for half the league to show their hand and can now operate from a better position with less competition.
 
I didn't know that half the league have sorted their main targets already.

That does change the perspective somewhat.

It means Forest have waited for half the league to show their hand and can now operate from a better position with less competition.
Sarcasm noted, FWIW just copied a few alphabetically of what we consider our main rivals, we're way behind (I won't copy the whole league) I'll leave this subject alone now : -

Aston Villa transfers

In

Johan Manzambi - Freiburg, £59.5m

Joao Gomes - Wolves, £38m

Modou Keba Cissa - LASK, undisclosed

Blade Earley - Cambridge, free

Alejandro Garnacho - Chelsea, loan

Out

Morgan Rogers - Chelsea, £117m

Youri Tielemans - Man Utd, £35m

Donyell Malen - Roma, £21.6m

Lewis Dobbin - Southampton, £10m

Enzo Barrenechea - Benfica, £10m

Louie Barry - Sheffield Wednesday, undisclosed

Yeimar Mosquera - Vitoria SC, undisclosed

Sil Swinkels - Sheffield Wednesday, undisclosed

Thierry Katsukunya - Cardiff, free

Ronnie Hollingshead - King's Lynn, free

Ewan Simpson - Airdrieonians, free

Junior Wilson - Birmingham, free

Sam Proctor - Shrewsbury, loan

Joe Gauci - Lincoln, loan

Andres Garcia - Getafe, loan

Zepiqueno Redmond - Annecy, loan

Kadan Young - Annecy, loan

Oliwier Zych - Vitoria SC, loan

Elijah Briscoe - released

I-Lani Edwards - released

Jacob Green - released

Max Lott - released

Calum Moreland - released

Charlie Pavey - released

Cole Ramsey - released

Kerr Smith - released

Bournemouth transfers

In

Antonio Silva - Benfica, £25.7m

Alvaro Rodriguez - Elche, £21m

Out

Hamed Traore - Marseille, £6.5m

Luis Sinisterra - Cruzeiro, £5.2m

Owen Bevan - Dundee, undisclosed

Ollie Morgan - Salisbury, free

Ashley Clarke - Woking, free

Noa Boutin - Inverness, free

Dacosta Gonzalez - Moreirense, free

James Davies - UCNA Bulldogs, free

Koby Mottoh - Moreirense, free

Marcos Senesi - Tottenham, free

Romain Faivre - Auxerre, loan

Alex Jimenez - Fiorentina, loan

Alexander Paulsen - Motherwell, loan

Zhaviah Campbell - released

Hayden McGhan - released

Malachi Ogunleye - released

Charlie Osborne - released

Ben Purches - released

Brentford transfers

In

Mamadou Sangare - Lens, £39m

Jaidon Anthony - Burnley, £17m

Jannik Schuster - Red Bull Salzburg, £16.5m

Joseph Wheeler-Henry - Chelsea, undisclosed

Callum Wilson - West Ham, free

Out

Tony Yogane - Aberdeen, undisclosed

Ethan Laidlaw - Falkirk, undisclosed

Frank Onyeka - Coventry, undisclosed

Ethan Brierley - Huddersfield, undisclosed

Ryan Trevitt - Wigan, free

Staitham Bowen - Swansea, free

Matthew Cox - Barnet, loan

Romelle Donovan - Sheffield United, loan

Ben Krauhaus -Falkirk, loan

Michael Olakigbe - WSG Tirol, loan

Staitham Bowen - released

Gregory Asemokhai - released

Maxwell McKnight - released

Michael McSorley - released

Yerime Ouattara - released

Kyrie Pierre - released

Marley Tavaziva - released

Brighton transfers

In

Luka Vuskovic - Tottenham, £50m

Zadok Yohanna - AIK, £21.5m

Pascal Struijk - Leeds, £18m

Costinha - Olympiacos, £8m

Michael Svobada - Venezia, £4m

Rodrigo Rego - Benfica, £3m

Valentin Joseph - Blackburn, undisclosed

George Munday - Cambridge, undisclosed

Oliver Mayer - Fulham, free

Out

Jan Paul van Hecke - Tottenham, £52m

Diego Coppola - Paris FC, £17m

Danny Welbeck - Chelsea, undisclosed

Jeremy Sarmiento - Middlesbrough, undisclosed

Zane Albarus - Gillingham, free

Billy-Ray Cullinane - Coventry, free

Matthew Hayden - Eastbourne, free

Charlie Penman - Hartlepool, free

Jacob Slater - Tranmere, free

Will Rutter - West Brom, free

James Beadle - Birmingham, loan

Nils Ramming - Rochdale, loan

Tom Watson - Leicester, loan

Do Young Yoon - Magdeburg, loan

Brajan Gruda - RB Leipzig, loan

Adam Webster - released

Joel Veltman - released

Solly March - released

Noel Atom - released

Joe Belmont - released

Sebastian Jensen - released

Harry Mills - released

Yussif Owusu - released

Finley Taylor - released

James Milner - retired

and ours: -

Nottingham Forest transfers

In

Boyd Fraser - Hearts, undisclosed

Mason Ayre - Glentoran, undisclosed

Blaine McClure - Rangers, undisclosed

Xaver Schlager - RB Leipzig, free

Grady McDonnell - Club Brugge, free

Kasen Brown - Man City, free

Out

Elliot Anderson - Man City, £116m

David Carmo - Olympiacos, undisclosed

Joe Gardner - Falkirk, undisclosed

Cormac Daly - Hearts, free

Angus Gunn - San Jose Earthquakes, free

Ben Hammong - Boston United, free

Justin Hanks - Solihull Moors, free

Danny Anisjko - Chesterfield, free

Jota Silva - Olympiacos, loan

Willy Boly - released

Stefan Ortega - released

Shae Cahill - released

Esapa Osong - released
 
I didn't know that half the league have sorted their main targets already.

That does change the perspective somewhat.

It means Forest have waited for half the league to show their hand and can now operate from a better position with less competition.
Indeed. Although on the other hand you have to consider that since the preseason camp has now concluded no further training or squad integration activity can now take place until next July.
 
Relax. For Forest this is the way! Transfers in on the last day of the window and integrated in to the team by March to save us from relegation
 
Indeed. Although on the other hand you have to consider that since the preseason camp has now concluded no further training or squad integration activity can now take place until next July.
And there we go again, someone has a different view so use an extreme argument to take the piss, it's very tiresome (and low level debate)
 
Sarcasm noted, FWIW just copied a few alphabetically of what we consider our main rivals, we're way behind (I won't copy the whole league) I'll leave this subject alone now : -

Aston Villa transfers

In

Johan Manzambi - Freiburg, £59.5m

Joao Gomes - Wolves, £38m

Modou Keba Cissa - LASK, undisclosed

Blade Earley - Cambridge, free

Alejandro Garnacho - Chelsea, loan

Out

Morgan Rogers - Chelsea, £117m

Youri Tielemans - Man Utd, £35m

Donyell Malen - Roma, £21.6m

Lewis Dobbin - Southampton, £10m

Enzo Barrenechea - Benfica, £10m

Louie Barry - Sheffield Wednesday, undisclosed

Yeimar Mosquera - Vitoria SC, undisclosed

Sil Swinkels - Sheffield Wednesday, undisclosed

Thierry Katsukunya - Cardiff, free

Ronnie Hollingshead - King's Lynn, free

Ewan Simpson - Airdrieonians, free

Junior Wilson - Birmingham, free

Sam Proctor - Shrewsbury, loan

Joe Gauci - Lincoln, loan

Andres Garcia - Getafe, loan

Zepiqueno Redmond - Annecy, loan

Kadan Young - Annecy, loan

Oliwier Zych - Vitoria SC, loan

Elijah Briscoe - released

I-Lani Edwards - released

Jacob Green - released

Max Lott - released

Calum Moreland - released

Charlie Pavey - released

Cole Ramsey - released

Kerr Smith - released

Bournemouth transfers

In

Antonio Silva - Benfica, £25.7m

Alvaro Rodriguez - Elche, £21m

Out

Hamed Traore - Marseille, £6.5m

Luis Sinisterra - Cruzeiro, £5.2m

Owen Bevan - Dundee, undisclosed

Ollie Morgan - Salisbury, free

Ashley Clarke - Woking, free

Noa Boutin - Inverness, free

Dacosta Gonzalez - Moreirense, free

James Davies - UCNA Bulldogs, free

Koby Mottoh - Moreirense, free

Marcos Senesi - Tottenham, free

Romain Faivre - Auxerre, loan

Alex Jimenez - Fiorentina, loan

Alexander Paulsen - Motherwell, loan

Zhaviah Campbell - released

Hayden McGhan - released

Malachi Ogunleye - released

Charlie Osborne - released

Ben Purches - released

Brentford transfers

In

Mamadou Sangare - Lens, £39m

Jaidon Anthony - Burnley, £17m

Jannik Schuster - Red Bull Salzburg, £16.5m

Joseph Wheeler-Henry - Chelsea, undisclosed

Callum Wilson - West Ham, free

Out

Tony Yogane - Aberdeen, undisclosed

Ethan Laidlaw - Falkirk, undisclosed

Frank Onyeka - Coventry, undisclosed

Ethan Brierley - Huddersfield, undisclosed

Ryan Trevitt - Wigan, free

Staitham Bowen - Swansea, free

Matthew Cox - Barnet, loan

Romelle Donovan - Sheffield United, loan

Ben Krauhaus -Falkirk, loan

Michael Olakigbe - WSG Tirol, loan

Staitham Bowen - released

Gregory Asemokhai - released

Maxwell McKnight - released

Michael McSorley - released

Yerime Ouattara - released

Kyrie Pierre - released

Marley Tavaziva - released

Brighton transfers

In

Luka Vuskovic - Tottenham, £50m

Zadok Yohanna - AIK, £21.5m

Pascal Struijk - Leeds, £18m

Costinha - Olympiacos, £8m

Michael Svobada - Venezia, £4m

Rodrigo Rego - Benfica, £3m

Valentin Joseph - Blackburn, undisclosed

George Munday - Cambridge, undisclosed

Oliver Mayer - Fulham, free

Out

Jan Paul van Hecke - Tottenham, £52m

Diego Coppola - Paris FC, £17m

Danny Welbeck - Chelsea, undisclosed

Jeremy Sarmiento - Middlesbrough, undisclosed

Zane Albarus - Gillingham, free

Billy-Ray Cullinane - Coventry, free

Matthew Hayden - Eastbourne, free

Charlie Penman - Hartlepool, free

Jacob Slater - Tranmere, free

Will Rutter - West Brom, free

James Beadle - Birmingham, loan

Nils Ramming - Rochdale, loan

Tom Watson - Leicester, loan

Do Young Yoon - Magdeburg, loan

Brajan Gruda - RB Leipzig, loan

Adam Webster - released

Joel Veltman - released

Solly March - released

Noel Atom - released

Joe Belmont - released

Sebastian Jensen - released

Harry Mills - released

Yussif Owusu - released

Finley Taylor - released

James Milner - retired

and ours: -

Nottingham Forest transfers

In

Boyd Fraser - Hearts, undisclosed

Mason Ayre - Glentoran, undisclosed

Blaine McClure - Rangers, undisclosed

Xaver Schlager - RB Leipzig, free

Grady McDonnell - Club Brugge, free

Kasen Brown - Man City, free

Out

Elliot Anderson - Man City, £116m

David Carmo - Olympiacos, undisclosed

Joe Gardner - Falkirk, undisclosed

Cormac Daly - Hearts, free

Angus Gunn - San Jose Earthquakes, free

Ben Hammong - Boston United, free

Justin Hanks - Solihull Moors, free

Danny Anisjko - Chesterfield, free

Jota Silva - Olympiacos, loan

Willy Boly - released

Stefan Ortega - released

Shae Cahill - released

Esapa Osong - released

How about Crystal Palace, Sunderland, Fulham and Everton? I'd like to think they're all direct rivals too.

What is interesting in that list is how few loans out we've made Vs the others. I'd like to think we're working on some decent EFL loans out for a handful of our youngsters. Much better development (if placed at the right club and level) than the U21s.
 
How about Crystal Palace, Sunderland, Fulham and Everton? I'd like to think they're all direct rivals too.

What is interesting in that list is how few loans out we've made Vs the others. I'd like to think we're working on some decent EFL loans out for a handful of our youngsters. Much better development (if placed at the right club and level) than the U21s.
I didn't want to post the whole list as it would be huge (I did say I did the first few alphabetically)
 
I didn't want to post the whole list as it would be huge (I did say I did the first few alphabetically)
That's fair enough, but a few of our rivals have also been 'slow' in the transfer market.

It's the Forest way to leave things to fairly late to try and get the best deal, although I feel we didn't necessarily achieve that last year (Hutchinson and Bakwa deals). Ndoye too, with hindsight, felt too much (but that deal wasn't done end of July).
 
Sarcasm noted, FWIW just copied a few alphabetically of what we consider our main rivals, we're way behind (I won't copy the whole league) I'll leave this subject alone now : -
I wasn't being sarcastic. In fact I was trying my hardest to not be sarcastic and answer a point you have raised with a valid reply.

Apologies if you felt victimised or picked on.

I don't consider that business you listed will be the main transfer business for those clubs by the end of the window so I don't agree that is a fact which you have the used as a basis for a point.

And if it does turn out to be their main business then my observation is a valid one is it not?

As for the kid in the sweetshop comments. You know what? You haven't been like that but some very definitely have been a bit like that and noo e has said you have been.

It takes all sorts.
 
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