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Francis Benali (on loan)

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It'll be UEFA making us play behind closed doors in the Nations League. They should as well. Make the FA attempt to do something.

They were too slow to try to stop the booing of the anthems, and only put Southgate up last week to say something after the fine in the semi finals. It happened at every England game at Wembley. Don't remember hearing it anywhere else.
 
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Francis Benali (on loan)

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Back on the penalties, every team that took first in the four shoot outs this tournament won them. That's in keeping with the overall trend. There's no doubt there's more pressure going second, having to take more when already behind, having more do or die kicks on average, so much easier to go two goals up taking first (and very few teams lose a shoot out from there), etc.

They experimented with a tennis tie-break style order a few years back. One kick for the team taking first then two each after that so the team going first alternates every round. Seems to have come to nothing, but looked like a good idea.

You can see it coming back somewhere down the line. The more and more stats we get, the more it starts to look like it is not really an even contest in the current format. There might come a point when there's so much evidence that it is widely accepted that taking second means you're the underdog that they make the change.
 
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Francis Benali (on loan) said:
Back on the penalties, every team that took first in the four shoot outs this tournament won them. That's in keeping with the overall trend. There's no doubt there's more pressure going second, having to take more when already behind, having more do or die kicks on average, so much easier to go two goals up taking first (and very few teams lose a shoot out from there), etc.

They experimented with a tennis tie-break style order a few years back. One kick for the team taking first then two each after that so the team going first alternates every round. Seems to have come to nothing, but looked like a good idea.

You can see it coming back somewhere down the line. The more and more stats we get, the more it starts to look like it is not really an even contest in the current format. There might come a point when there's so much evidence that it is widely accepted that taking second means you're the underdog that they make the change.
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It's scoreboard pressure, they talk about it in tennis a lot with the player serving first, and one reason why the big 4 have dominated is that they're so good at it.

For some reason the ABBA penalties didn't really take off did they? )Maybe Jordan Pickford wasn't doing his Dancing Queen on the line before then)
 
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Jack Armstrong
Francis Benali (on loan) said:
They were too slow to try to stop the booing of the anthems
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This is what gets me: England play away and the home crowd whistles during our anthem, especially in Eastern and Southern Europe. Gary Neville said as much and a friend of mine travels with England everywhere (including Kosovo)and confirmed it.

What is it about the English that says we now have to be the worst at everything too? The racism issue, yes there are issues, but we are FAR from being the most racist country in Europe In fact, we're probably closer to the top than the bottom in terms of how far we have integrated our society.
 
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Francis Benali (on loan)

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Berkshire Red said:
This is what gets me: England play away and the home crowd whistles during our anthem, especially in Eastern and Southern Europe. Gary Neville said as much and a friend of mine travels with England everywhere (including Kosovo)and confirmed it.

What is it about the English that says we now have to be the worst at everything too? The racism issue, yes there are issues, but we are FAR from being the most racist country in Europe In fact, we're probably closer to the top than the bottom in terms of how far we have integrated our society.
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I just don't remember it happening to teams at tournaments before. Certainly not in finals. Maybe it does. Not sure that makes it ok anyway. It didn't seem to happen at the other venues.

Can just be added to list of ways we embarrassed ourselves as a host in this tournament.
 
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Jack Burkitt
Francis Benali (on loan) said:
I just don't remember it happening to teams at tournaments before. Certainly not in finals. Maybe it does. Not sure that makes it ok anyway. It didn't seem to happen at the other venues.

Can just be added to list of ways we embarrassed ourselves as a host in this tournament.
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Did it happen at Euro 96? Genuine question as I honestly can't remember.
 
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Andy!
Berkshire Red said:
This is what gets me: England play away and the home crowd whistles during our anthem, especially in Eastern and Southern Europe. Gary Neville said as much and a friend of mine travels with England everywhere (including Kosovo)and confirmed it.

What is it about the English that says we now have to be the worst at everything too? The racism issue, yes there are issues, but we are FAR from being the most racist country in Europe In fact, we're probably closer to the top than the bottom in terms of how far we have integrated our society.
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Whilst I agree we are "probably near the top" we should be in the top one and always striving to be better.
 
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Ale Ape
Probably should have mentioned this earlier, but our tournament song was a bit shit this time aound, wasn't it?

 
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Jack Armstrong
OK SpidermAndy! said:
Whilst I agree we are "probably near the top" we should be in the top one and always striving to be better.
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Agreed, we should always try to be better. Ditto with booing the anthems, it's completely disrespectful.

There was a suggestion that the Italians are somehow better than us after the game, in so many respects. And, in so many respects, that is complete and utter rubbish. Italian racists are a huge part of their Ultras, campaigning (sometimes successfully) for certain clubs to not sign players based purely on their ethnicity. To my knowledge that doesn't happen in England (Scotland might be different!). I heard complaints that fireworks were let off outside of the Italian team hotel during Saturday night, again with suggestions that it wouldn't happen the other way.

As a nation we have much to work on, however we also have much of which to be proud also. There's a part of society which seeks to destroy what this country is, how it has become Great Britain. These folk look to deride Britain, and England in particular, at every juncture. The rest of us need to stand up to them.
 
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Steve Chettle
I think it stands out to our media and public when fans boo because that's what we do to indicate displeasure.

Other countries use other noises. For instance, as Berkshire says, many continental fans whistle, which might not sound as bad to our ears, but it amounts to the same thing.

Of course, it's all bad, but sadly, not all English people are perfect.
 
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Francis Benali (on loan) said:
I just don't remember it happening to teams at tournaments before. Certainly not in finals. Maybe it does. Not sure that makes it ok anyway. It didn't seem to happen at the other venues.

Can just be added to list of ways we embarrassed ourselves as a host in this tournament.
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The booing, jeering, whistling absolutely doe's happen at most international games I've been to when God Save The Queen starts. I've never agreed with it either way!
It is far less vocal these days and I think tv coverage try to drown it out, but it's still evident.
The other thing that winds me up is when fans heckle the opposition when they are in possession, particularly on atack. What doe's that add to a game???
This is practiced far more overseas than in the UK, but it us starting here too.

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To be honest, booing a team's national anthem is some way below making monkey noises and throwing bananas at black players on another team on the scale of abhorrence.

They are still despicable actions but the targeted abuse is much worse and that seems to come from countries more in central and eastern Europe than anywhere else.

And you only need to look at that list Brighton fans came up with a few years back about the homophobic chants directed at them; you could call that banter, like we do with that lot down the A52, but it's still not really acceptable. And actually, the authorities probably wouldn't class homophobia much differently to racism.

We could all get on and appreciate we are football fans passionate about our teams without trying to abuse people, couldn't we?
 
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John Robertson
Berkshire Red said:
Agreed, we should always try to be better. Ditto with booing the anthems, it's completely disrespectful.

There was a suggestion that the Italians are somehow better than us after the game, in so many respects. And, in so many respects, that is complete and utter rubbish. Italian racists are a huge part of their Ultras, campaigning (sometimes successfully) for certain clubs to not sign players based purely on their ethnicity. To my knowledge that doesn't happen in England (Scotland might be different!). I heard complaints that fireworks were let off outside of the Italian team hotel during Saturday night, again with suggestions that it wouldn't happen the other way.

As a nation we have much to work on, however we also have much of which to be proud also. There's a part of society which seeks to destroy what this country is, how it has become Great Britain. These folk look to deride Britain, and England in particular, at every juncture. The rest of us need to stand up to them.
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Re the ultras thing I think, and this is all from memory, hellas Verona ultras have done the worst stuff and until relatively recently vowed not to have a black player in their shirt. They since have, and got over it. They're still a bunch of racist pricks though. As are Lazio, and I've personally witnessed the inter Curva break out in monkey chants more then once.

Italy is definitely not without problems.

... But then the head of the Italian FA once bought an imaginary Nigerian from Leicester for the club he was chairman of at the time. Unveiled him at an exhibition match against a team of actors and none of the players knew it was fake.

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Francis Benali (on loan)

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Homer is a Red said:
The booing, jeering, whistling absolutely doe's happen at most international games I've been to when God Save The Queen starts. I've never agreed with it either way!
It is far less vocal these days and I think tv coverage try to drown it out, but it's still evident.
The other thing that winds me up is when fans heckle the opposition when they are in possession, particularly on atack. What doe's that add to a game???
This is practiced far more overseas than in the UK, but it us starting here too.

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I was thinking more specifically about the final though - the showpiece of this tournament that England hosted. If nothing else, it's important because we're preparing a bid to host the 2030 World Cup and so Sunday was part of our presentation whether we like it or not.

I watched the anthems at the 2016 final between France and Portugal. Similar situation with host's team involved. You could make out a couple of whistles for a couple of seconds when the Portuguese anthem is announced, but watching on TV you'd say it was respectfully observed.

Don't remember any other finalists having their anthem booed in a major final. People will be about to rewatch the match in twenty years time and think 'why is the Italian anthem being booed....oh yeah this was the one in England, that's what they do there'.
 
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Bob McKinlay
Berkshire Red said:
Agreed, we should always try to be better. Ditto with booing the anthems, it's completely disrespectful.

There was a suggestion that the Italians are somehow better than us after the game, in so many respects. And, in so many respects, that is complete and utter rubbish. Italian racists are a huge part of their Ultras, campaigning (sometimes successfully) for certain clubs to not sign players based purely on their ethnicity. To my knowledge that doesn't happen in England (Scotland might be different!). I heard complaints that fireworks were let off outside of the Italian team hotel during Saturday night, again with suggestions that it wouldn't happen the other way.

As a nation we have much to work on, however we also have much of which to be proud also. There's a part of society which seeks to destroy what this country is, how it has become Great Britain. These folk look to deride Britain, and England in particular, at every juncture. The rest of us need to stand up to them.
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I think you are exactly right mate.

I honestly believe most of it comes from a class thing, people love looking down on others - it is hugely prevelent on social media and from the UK media. There always has to be negativity towards the country from the inside. 30 years ago it was directed at the players, now it's moved to supporters - mainly because people actually don't want to crusify our own players which is what the media have done in the past.
 
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Jack Burkitt
If there was one England player I was willing to score his penalty it was Rashford. Not for football reasons but he just seems a nice bloke who walks the walk without trying to be a smart arse. Saying that I didn’t like his run up at all. Seemed very unsure of himself and that’s a sure fire way to not score.
 
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