Earnie

[Pasty Power]

hmmm, not sure i agree with that. Yes ok the penalty, but everyone can miss one occasionally, and yes he tried to be a bit too clever on that occasion. But that's the only game he's been given the opportunity to start-look at the stats. All others has been on the bench. And if you remember it was him that actually won himself the penalty to at least give the opportunity. Also the only team that played long high balls on saturday was sheffield wednesday, forest tried to play the game on the floor, counter attacking with pace, and thats how those two chances were created. Earnie would have been in the same positions Blackstock and McGoldrick found themselves in, but the difference is he would have finished the chances, because that's what he is, a goalgetter. Looked sharp in preseason, and people seem to have very short memories, that he was our top scorer last season, with 17 goals, in a relatively struggling team. I know we have brought all these new players in, but Earnshaw remains a gem at this level IMO. That's why clubs like newcastle and middlesbrough have been sniffing around, at the first possible sign of being out of favour. Because they know what they'll be getting.

As much as I admire Ernie :closedeyes: given his limited opertunities He simply has not performed to his potential & given our array of strikers he is someway short of a starting place :wacko:

BTW He didn't start against West Brom : I've looked at the stats

 

[matt1982]

As much as I admire Ernie :closedeyes: given his limited opertunities He simply has not performed to his potential & given our array of strikers he is someway short of a starting place :wacko:

BTW He didn't start against West Brom : I've looked at the stats

I wasnt actually replying to you. But thanks for your thoughts. You're right he started against watford in fact, but that night was a bad night for the whole team not just earnshaw. I just dont understand where this view has come from that he isnt 'playing to his potential' and 'short of a starting place' when he has only started one game - it isn't based on any evidence. If you're talking about people missing chances, then others have also missed good opportunities so far. All I'm saying is that this is a guy who was our top scorer last season, has been one of the championship's most prolific strikers over the past decade, and IMO is still the best striker we have, on top form. My opinion is that opposition managers and defenders will be quite happy to see Robert Earnshaw on the bench. we would be foolhardy to let him go.

 

[TOMBARNESFORESTFAN]

lets be honest he hasnt exactly been great when he has been brought on recently, he has been very selfish in his play, he hasnt really given us anything when he has come on aprt from his bit of magic to win the pennalty against WBA, I expect his performances are simular in training hence his position on the bench, if he starts to do a job off the bench then maybe he will start a few more games, I see him playing a role simular to defoe for england this season though

yeh i agree, he doesnt move or make any space at all, just wants the chances on a plate, and thats not how it works . i rate him 4th or 5th striker too

 

[RRRREDUN]

I might have given Earnie a run-out on Saturday, instead of McGoldrick who IMHO didn't play to his potential. However - how were you to know that McGoldrick was going to have that sort of game? When it was clear that he was not as effective as he could be, then Earnie should have come on (half time?).

 

[weasel]

In Lehman's terms, what the f*** is he doing on the bench, and not even coming on. He's our best player.

 

[earnie86]

He's down the list of strikers at the club, I think Billy rates him as 4th or 5th best.

He is wrong if you ask me.

He is wrong. No doubt about it. Just look at his scoring record, it speaks for itself. Give him a run of games and he will score goals. Simple.

 

[marshal99]

hmmm, not sure i agree with that. Yes ok the penalty, but everyone can miss one occasionally, and yes he tried to be a bit too clever on that occasion. But that's the only game he's been given the opportunity to start-look at the stats. All others has been on the bench. And if you remember it was him that actually won himself the penalty to at least give the opportunity. Also the only team that played long high balls on saturday was sheffield wednesday, forest tried to play the game on the floor, counter attacking with pace, and thats how those two chances were created. Earnie would have been in the same positions Blackstock and McGoldrick found themselves in, but the difference is he would have finished the chances, because that's what he is, a goalgetter.

If you looked at Anderson's runs and the chances he created in the game , a lot of them were actually because of Blackstock who controlled and held up the ball and turn it into space for Anderson to run to. He did it a couple of times , it does seemed like a good understanding developing there . If you put Earnie in place of Blackstock , those chances wouldn't have come in the first place because Earnie wouldn't be able to compete in the air and hold up the ball against those defenders and wednesday would continue attacking.

Look at Anderson best runs and chances he created on a plate was mostly because of Blackstock

Garner chance in the first minute - Blackstock held up the ball and pass to Anderson in space
Blackstock miss - Blackstock held up the ball and pass to Anderson in space
Everyone misses - Blackstock held up the ball and pass to Anderson in space

When we went 1-0 up on saturday , McGoldrick was pushed back further , looked like a 4-5-1 formation. Billy tactics wouldn't have agree with Earnie to be honest.

 

[Timothy Pope]

In Lehman's terms, what the f*** is he doing on the bench, and not even coming on. He's our best player.

What's it got to do with a former Arsenal keeper?

 

[Maverick]

What's it got to do with a former Arsenal keeper?

:tophat:

 

[Forest_gal22]

At the moment with Blackstock being on a good run, it will be hard for him to get picked every game. Especially with his poor start. But last season he was a diamond! If he was on form alongside Blackstock we would have an amazing strikeforce especially if we played adebola in a super sub role. The one thing that worries me is that Earnie does have an ego, I love the bloke but none the less, an ego, it worries me as I think he will get too frustrated sitting on the bemch and may look elsewhere for first team action.

 

[earnie86]

At the moment with Blackstock being on a good run, it will be hard for him to get picked every game. Especially with his poor start. But last season he was a diamond! If he was on form alongside Blackstock we would have an amazing strikeforce especially if we played adebola in a super sub role. The one thing that worries me is that Earnie does have an ego, I love the bloke but none the less, an ego, it worries me as I think he will get too frustrated sitting on the bemch and may look elsewhere for first team action.

I'm not sure the ego thing is too much of a concern to be honest. He is just desperate to play football and probably thinks he deserves a place in the starting eleven after how good he was for us last season. I expected this to be a big campaign for him, with Davies basing his attacking options around him. Hopefully, this will end up being the case.

 

[matt1982]

If you looked at Anderson's runs and the chances he created in the game , a lot of them were actually because of Blackstock who controlled and held up the ball and turn it into space for Anderson to run to. He did it a couple of times , it does seemed like a good understanding developing there . If you put Earnie in place of Blackstock , those chances wouldn't have come in the first place because Earnie wouldn't be able to compete in the air and hold up the ball against those defenders and wednesday would continue attacking.

Look at Anderson best runs and chances he created on a plate was mostly because of Blackstock

Garner chance in the first minute - Blackstock held up the ball and pass to Anderson in space
Blackstock miss - Blackstock held up the ball and pass to Anderson in space
Everyone misses - Blackstock held up the ball and pass to Anderson in space

When we went 1-0 up on saturday , McGoldrick was pushed back further , looked like a 4-5-1 formation. Billy tactics wouldn't have agree with Earnie to be honest.

I know what you're saying, and I agree with it. What I'm NOT saying is don't play Blackstock / McGoldrick, but play maybe one of them, with Earnshaw. Because then at least you have one out and out just goalscorer, fox in box, what ever you want to call it, someone who just scores goals, up front. Every team needs that, as well as players that link up and create the chances. With Dex / mcgoldrick, you dont have a natural 'finisher', - mcgoldrick likes to play in the hole of the front man, and Dex is in your target man type mould / also with a decent touch (he actually reminds me a bit of Crouch), but neither of them are just 'goalscorers'. And IMHO, Earnie is the only one of those we have at the club. What slightly worries me about Billy is that he wants to turn us into this rough and ready, rough and tumble type nottingham forest side, but where's the room for class/finesse in his plans? Like you say his tactics increasingly don't appear to favour earnshaw. I know the championship is just so physical these days, but doesnt mean players like Earnie cant still thrive.

 

[mouldy]

To be fair I think McGoldrick and Blackstock who seem to be the starting 2 strikers at the moment seem to have shown more to deserve a starting place. I agree he hasn't had much in the way of oppurtunities but he has missed a vital penalty, he didn't really show a lot to demand a starting place against Boro and he doesn't seem to be making much impact at the moment. McGoldrick has had a similar problem and for me come off the bench and when started made the most of the oppurtunity to ask for a starting place.

He will pick up form soon enough and he will start scoring then he will deserve a place in the team each week.

At the moment though I think Blackstock and McGoldrick have done enough to hold down a place.

 

[WatnallRed]

For the first time in many i totally agree with mouldy.....

Another point im picking up is that i dont think Mckenna and Cohen both in the centre will work. It has to be one or the other and Majewski or Mcgugan for the other spot. Where does this leave moussi? I dont know. Perhaps its moussi or mckenna and play cohen on the left. This would certainly free up tyson for the striker role which i think played along side Blackstock could really produce.

Moving back onto earnie, hes the sort of guy who needs games. Now if billy is going to continue rotating players then i dont see where hes going to get in. He needs playing for an hour/70 mins in two thirds of all games. I think hes a bit like a harmison (cricket-bowler) he needs rythem and match practice, sitting on the bench does him no good.

Ill put my head on the line here if Billy continues with his rotation and we get a decent offer for him in Jan id take it if it means grabbing 1 or 2 good defenders.

 

[Shanks]

Are we (the supporters) being groomed (prepared) for loosing him in January. If he doesn't play much between now and then the impact will be considerably less? I hope not as I love Earnie to bits but he ain't getting much football of late!! (hope he's got a slight knock we don't know about!)

 

[Snake]

An unfit Robert Earnshaw will be worth a lot less in January.

If Davies isn't going to play him then he's hamstringing the club by design. His team selection is generally crap, and underneath all this, our results are appalling. Frankly, if it carries on like this he can f*ck off. He hasn't achieved anything as manager here, and for the privilege of him being a mithering, gobby tw@t, it's cost the club £5m+.

 

[Rhods]

Earnie's bloody useless. We should free tranfer the bloody midget oh waitaminute he just scored!

 

[winnits]

Robbie Earnshaw is a red! He hates Derby!

 

[Shanks]

Are we (the supporters) being groomed (prepared) for loosing him in January. If he doesn't play much between now and then the impact will be considerably less? I hope not as I love Earnie to bits but he ain't getting much football of late!! (hope he's got a slight knock we don't know about!)

 

[nunuschmu]

scores a minute after coming on, our first shot of the night according to the statistics... are you watching Billy?

:wink:

 

[matt1988]

Fair play Earnie, and fair play Billy. He clearly knows what he's doing. Away from home, as we are, it's important to have 5 in the midfield, especially for the first 60 minutes. McGoldrick fits that 5th midfielder role very well as he can still pop up the other end with a goal or an assist, but can still help out defensively. Blackstock or Adebola have to play if we are to retain possession up top and have the strength to hold the ball up whilst waiting for support. Earnie's great to bring off the bench, as he did tonight, and grab a goal when we've got our foot in the game.

At home, I expect Earnie to start. Teams will sit deeper and that's when we need the fox in the box.

 

[Cooky]

An unfit Robert Earnshaw will be worth a lot less in January.

If Davies isn't going to play him then he's hamstringing the club by design. His team selection is generally crap, and underneath all this, our results are appalling. Frankly, if it carries on like this he can f*ck off. He hasn't achieved anything as manager here, and for the privilege of him being a mithering, gobby tw@t, it's cost the club £5m+.

:nowink:

 

[marshal99]

As has been saying all along , with 6 strikers , the only way he can do himself justice is prove himself on the field and he did. In an away game , he was never going to start.

Home games might be different. We'll see whether Earnshaw has proven himself worthy of a spot on saturday.

 

[FBS]

Earnie showed last night he isn't a confidence player. He just plays his game and gets on with it. Other strikers would have been lacking confidence having been left out like he was, but last night showed he doesn't care about things like that.
The attitude of the whole team changed when he came on.

 

[andover red]

We've got 6 decent strikers now and the bottom line is he has to justify his place on the pitch. Last night he did that so I think he justifies his place for Saturday. Then he has to play well again .....