Did we ever see him take a free kick within shooting range/angle in the end? It feels like he was either never on the pitch when we got one or, as you say, MGW took them instead.
Much like JWP last season in fact.
Douglas Luiz Soares de Paulo
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Much like JWP last season in fact.
Notcher
Ian Bowyer
Yeah, he took a decent one against Wrexham. The only one he took and almost scored from it.
Frank Clark’s Tash
Jack Burkitt
I'll never forget the time he took that corner, and it actually cleared the first man.
redforest
Geoff Thomas
Did it therefore go out for a throw on the far side?
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
The Luiz thing looked like a classic case of a negative feedback loop.
He came to us not match fit.
We tried to play him, but because he wasn't match fit he couldn't give the effort he could have if fully fit, and also he injured himself too.
This resulted in him getting less game time, and seemed to make Dyche dustrust hm.
Dyche was struggling to get us up table and adopted his Dyche ball long ball methods.
So limited time for ~Luiz, and when he did play it wasn't in a style that suited him.
Luiz seemed to get very frustrated and seemed to put less effort in.
And so the negative feedback loop was repeated and his performances during the limited game time got less effective.
He appeared to me to not want to play under Dyche, in the way that Dyche wanted him to play.
The forest players would know the money Luiz was on, and that probably impacted on their willingness to make him welcome in the squad.
It has been a chastening experience for all concerned, an I am relieved he is now "off the books" and away from the Club.
He came to us not match fit.
We tried to play him, but because he wasn't match fit he couldn't give the effort he could have if fully fit, and also he injured himself too.
This resulted in him getting less game time, and seemed to make Dyche dustrust hm.
Dyche was struggling to get us up table and adopted his Dyche ball long ball methods.
So limited time for ~Luiz, and when he did play it wasn't in a style that suited him.
Luiz seemed to get very frustrated and seemed to put less effort in.
And so the negative feedback loop was repeated and his performances during the limited game time got less effective.
He appeared to me to not want to play under Dyche, in the way that Dyche wanted him to play.
The forest players would know the money Luiz was on, and that probably impacted on their willingness to make him welcome in the squad.
It has been a chastening experience for all concerned, an I am relieved he is now "off the books" and away from the Club.
Rosie’s A Red
Geoff Thomas
A player who should go down in LTLF folklore as having one of the longest threads pre-signing, perhaps?
I remember laughing at the (ahem) “content” ahead of the transfer window.
I remember laughing at the (ahem) “content” ahead of the transfer window.
Bing Crosby's Head
Geoff Thomas
He signed believing he would be meeting all the Aussie soap stars and got fed up and left when he realised he had been misled.
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
Contributed less than Lingard but people were still lining up to polish his boots.
Can only hope this whole debacle cost less than Lingard.
Can only hope this whole debacle cost less than Lingard.
Green Jumper
"Nottingham Forest Are Premier League"
The total spend for a 6-month look at Douglas Luiz was likely around £6m. Based on the trade-off between his known quality and fitness issues, that was absolutely the right thing for the club to do, as the benefits could have been huge if it had panned out.
Ending the deal early and before any obligation was triggered has potentially saved the club over £80m in additional spending and is also the right thing to do under the circumstances. That's fine as not all gambles work, but we should keep doing similar as we have the challenger flexibility for one or two to land massively at some point
Ending the deal early and before any obligation was triggered has potentially saved the club over £80m in additional spending and is also the right thing to do under the circumstances. That's fine as not all gambles work, but we should keep doing similar as we have the challenger flexibility for one or two to land massively at some point
Said to my dad earlier I'd put good money on him scoring at least one free kick for Villa before the end of the season. Don't see why MGW was consistently allowed to pull rank when Luiz was on the pitch given how average he is at set pieces in comparison.
....And come back here at the end of the season to see why I'm awful at gambling.
....And come back here at the end of the season to see why I'm awful at gambling.
Larry Lansbury
Geoff Thomas
Over £80 million, obviously wages wud be included in that, but wud it had totalled that much?The total spend for a 6-month look at Douglas Luiz was likely around £6m. Based on the trade-off between his known quality and fitness issues, that was absolutely the right thing for the club to do, as the benefits could have been huge if it had panned out.
Ending the deal early and before any obligation was triggered has potentially saved the club over £80m in additional spending and is also the right thing to do under the circumstances. That's fine as not all gambles work, but we should keep doing similar as we have the challenger flexibility for one or two to land massively at some point
Bob Fossil
Nottingham's dirty secret
You're way, way off with £80m.The total spend for a 6-month look at Douglas Luiz was likely around £6m. Based on the trade-off between his known quality and fitness issues, that was absolutely the right thing for the club to do, as the benefits could have been huge if it had panned out.
Ending the deal early and before any obligation was triggered has potentially saved the club over £80m in additional spending and is also the right thing to do under the circumstances. That's fine as not all gambles work, but we should keep doing similar as we have the challenger flexibility for one or two to land massively at some point
But I suspect you mean £8m.
Drebin
Youth Team
The club have acted accordingly in shifting him on. A fine player we unfortunately did not get to see the best of.
No doubt he'll be a revelation at Villa.
No doubt he'll be a revelation at Villa.
DizzyBala
Jack Burkitt
We were really smart with that clause because had it been a straight obligation to buy or even bought him outright, the outlay would have been like £25m and then his £4.5m a year wages (like 90 grand a week give or take) for someone with very questionable fitness and a condition that has to be carefully managed.
But respectfully, if he'd come here and been on the level of say Anderson/Gibbs-White and played pretty much the full way through like we were all hoping he would, then we'd have triggered it already.
The moment Dyche came in though, I think Sean quickly realised he didn't want him long term.
But respectfully, if he'd come here and been on the level of say Anderson/Gibbs-White and played pretty much the full way through like we were all hoping he would, then we'd have triggered it already.
The moment Dyche came in though, I think Sean quickly realised he didn't want him long term.
Monkman
John Robertson
The counter to that in this thread has been that we should have made it an *option* to buy, not an obligation - so that we were free to play him as much as we wanted without risk. Ignoring the fact that that deal presumably wasn't on the table from Juve.
Green Jumper
"Nottingham Forest Are Premier League"
@Larry Lansbury @Bob Fossil
I'm showing my working out like at school.
Obligation to buy transfer fee plus potential add-ons = £27.2m approx (Euro exchange rates)
4.5 years salary at reported £140k per week = £32.7m
Total: £60m approx.
Potential additional add-ons: agent fees, signing bonus/loyalty bonus, success bonuses. Not unthinkable that this could total £20m over a 4-year permanent deal.
I accept there's an element of guesswork in play, but when we know Forest spent £166m just on wages in 2023/24 (2nd Premier League season and before Europe qualification bonuses/wage inflation), I don't think it's a stretch to peg total outlay at £80m over 4.5 years had Luiz remained at the WFCG.
Despite a bad season in Italy and fitness issues, he was being paid as a £40m+ footballer and will not have taken a salary drop to move back to an even richer league.
@Monkman is also correct that an option to buy loan deal was unlikely to have been available as a deal last summer. It's likely that a few clubs passed on the deal before it was offered to Forest and the deal was likely to have been sold as a take-it-or-leave it option as Juventus would have known someone would eventually have accepted their terms.
The option has become available now due to fitness issues during his Forest spell and Juventus' desire to claw back whatever they can now, but was unlikely to have been available to Forest at any point.
DizzyBala
Jack Burkitt
Yeah but from Juventus' point of you, would you do that deal? They wanted him gone gone, we weren't going to buy him outright. Think the clause was pretty fair on all sides.
Monkman
John Robertson
Absolutely, not criticising Juve.
Sib
First Team Squad
Straight into the starting lineup for Villa today. It'll be interesting to see how he does.
eyupmeduck
Jack Armstrong
Well they lost against 10 men although Brentford will be furious because they got battered on xg
Bob Fossil
Nottingham's dirty secret
Shit bastards couldn't beat a 10 man Brentford
