Douglas Luiz Soares de Paulo

Osiris

Osiris

Geoff Thomas
Berkshire Red said:
Were we ever likely to get close? 15 45+ minute appearances? How many times did he manage it?

Shame, cos there's a player there, big time. And now Yates and Sangaré are back you could have managed his game time. Perhaps Luiz himself no longer wanted to be here?
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We never got close to 15 x 45 mins but that's precisely the point!

We never dared to give him the time he needed! That's why it was a shite arrangement

Honestly I think Imma check out of this thread, far too many people who just don't understand
 
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Larry Lansbury

Geoff Thomas
Every time I saw Luiz he didn’t seem dynamic enough and didn’t get about the field. Maybe will work in different team, different combination of midfielders etc but fitness seemed an issue and he didn’t seem to want to put his body on the line and wanted to cruise, perhaps in fear.
 
DizzyBala

DizzyBala

Jack Burkitt
I'll admit it, I had high hopes. I thought this was a good deal for all parties. We get someone who if he does well, we make our player. Juventus get his wages off their books and Luiz gets himself back in the Prem and into the thinking for Brazil for the World Cup.

But at no point from the minute he arrived did it ever feel like he was a Nottingham Forest player or that it clicked.

There's obviously mitigating factors. We laboured for him for quite a while but then Brought in for a manager that openly didn't want him, didn't play him and then got the sack. Ange comes in and Douglas misses pretty much all of that with his injury. Sean gets the job and it's a completely different style of football which to be fair, I don't think you need central midfielders for Dycheball. Gets injured again and while he's had a little bit of game time, Forest were selfishly (and quite rightly) playing smart with his minutes as they didnt want to be triggered into paying for someone who seemed broken.

This f***er has now hopped back to Aston Villa and honestly, he'll go there in a settled team, full of confidence and he'll boss it. Probably play in and win the Europa League with them, then Champions League football. He'll no doubt say some waffle about how he didn't want to leave Villa, he's back home etc..

I could see the logic of his signing but he goes into the same category for me as Lingard and Origi. "Names" who never really fit the shirt. You look at the loans last year. Ward-Prowse didn't do much on the pitch for us, but off the pitch he was a sound guy and felt a part of the group. Alex Moreno also fit in that first half of the season. I'd have much rather had Moreno and Ward-Prowse this season than Douglas Luiz and Zinchenko. It's not maybe that they are necessarily better in quality but better team-mates for the others.

Honestly, we probably should have kept Danilo, at least he was proud to wear the shirt and played like it.
 
JonnoSnr

JonnoSnr

Grenville Morris
Luiz is at fault too for some things but I do think it's been poorly handled by the club.

We agreed to a clause that we clearly regretted early on. Then it became a thing where he was either coming off or going on at half time, I'm not sure mentally how that's supposed to help the player knuckle down when it's clear the club doesnt want to trigger the buy clause.

DL's body language has been poor recently but a combination of that, plus getting neckache playing in a Dyche midfield has caused it I'd imagine.
 
vertigored

vertigored

Viv Anderson
He had enough fitness to get through the physical and to convince us to take a gamble on him, we aren’t entirely blameless but he signed up to the agreement too and must have known if he wasn’t able to put a shift in then we weren’t going to trigger it.
 
Monkman

Monkman

John Robertson
Osiris said:
We never got close to 15 x 45 mins but that's precisely the point!

We never dared to give him the time he needed! That's why it was a shite arrangement

Honestly I think Imma check out of this thread, far too many people who just don't understand
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But given that was the only deal on the table at the time, should we have just walked away? Hindsight is 20-20. I maintain it was worth a punt.
 
Notcher

Notcher

Ian Bowyer
Monkman said:
But given that was the only deal on the table at the time, should we have just walked away? Hindsight is 20-20. I maintain it was worth a punt.
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I think we should have walked. Obligation to buy very rarely work when based on appearances. There's countless podcasts out there where players tell the same story about being left out of sides because the manager says we can't afford to trigger your clause and the also ones of the same scenario as Luiz where they were injured but wouldn't play them to get them fit so it wasn't triggered. The player ends up completely disillusioned and pissed off and the club end up not playing a player they signed.
 
Danga

Danga

Formerly JLingz
StanleyVictorCollywobbles said:
adding an obligation to a guy with chronic fitness issues and on such big wages was a daft decision it was clear from early on we didn’t want to trigger it
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You say it was daft, but Juve were never going to sanction the loan without it. If anything, the loan made the most sense because if he came in and got his fitness up and played well, we would have been happy to sign him permenantly.

Good luck to him, he shown flashes of quality, especially in Europe but I feel like he didn't have the legs/intensity needed to be playing week in, week out in the league.
 
MaxiRobriguez

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Luiz and Anderson as your central midfield pairing before the season starts sounds like on paper the sort of pivot that well cement your place in Europe again. We had to take a bit of a risk with his fitness because lets face it, if he didn't have those concerns, he wouldn't have joined us.

It's not worked out the way anyone would have hoped but I don't begrudge club or player for what's happened. He'll probably do well for Villa and that's OK, but we clearly needed something different so it's good to have him off the books from a financial POV.
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Ian Bowyer
I'm still perplexed at this caper.

We sign him om loan with an obligation to buy, but not until the obligation is triggered because of this injury thing there had been talk about at Juve. We honestly started looking keen to play him, but it all cooled pretty quickly on both sides.

Then there is almost a frenzy to sign him from two clubs in the Prem before the window closes. Why are they so keen when he has such problems, in my opinion? Has he been sandbagging to get back to the Prem?

I suppose we'll find out, but it all looks weird and suspicious.
 
incapable hulk

incapable hulk

Best served cold
vertigored said:
He had enough fitness to get through the physical and to convince us to take a gamble on him, we aren’t entirely blameless but he signed up to the agreement too and must have known if he wasn’t able to put a shift in then we weren’t going to trigger it.
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The thing is - he did put a shift in. It's not worked out but most times he played I don't think there was a lack of effort. The last few times we saw him he was generally thrown out there with the reserves who haven't been playing together to develop any kind of understanding.

His fitness issues stalled his Forest career and 3 managers later it was dead.
 
incapable hulk

incapable hulk

Best served cold
He was very good in that first half vs Betis, which is one of the best performances I have ever seen from a Forest team in terms of attacking. Such a shame he had to go off injured.
 
vertigored

vertigored

Viv Anderson
incapable hulk said:
The thing is - he did put a shift in. It's not worked out but most times he played I don't think there was a lack of effort. The last few times we saw him he was generally thrown out there with the reserves who haven't been playing together to develop any kind of understanding.

His fitness issues stalled his Forest career and 3 managers later it was dead.
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Yes he put a shift in but then would be broken for a few weeks.
Edit: your post above perfectly proves this, not his fault, not ours. He just couldn’t get to the level we needed him at for long enough.
 
jdthebrit

jdthebrit

Grenville Morris
Listen 'ere young man said:
We could come up with quite a decent XI of washed up big names who've played for us over the years.

Ian Wright
Andy Cole
Lord Bendtner
Linguard
Origi
Douglas Luiz (OK maybe not over the hill yet but very disappointing)

And some famous nameskes
Pele
Cafu
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I might have been only 11 in '67 but I remember the whole of Nottingham buzzing when we bought (a washed up) Jim Baxter for a whopping 100 big ones.
Nottingham had a lot of pubs back then.
 
Steve B

Steve B

Jack Burkitt
Don’t have anything bad to say about Luiz, didn’t notice any evidence he wasn’t trying hard, thought he looked pretty good in the handful of games he’s played (usually with the second string around him). No idea why MGW was taking set pieces off him, he looked like only player in the squad able to shoot properly at times.
 
Dogtitius

Dogtitius

NorCal
Steve B said:
Don’t have anything bad to say about Luiz, didn’t notice any evidence he wasn’t trying hard, thought he looked pretty good in the handful of games he’s played (usually with the second string around him). No idea why MGW was taking set pieces off him, he looked like only player in the squad able to shoot properly at times.
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Only "bad" thing id say is he was incapable of staying fit. He needs a full summer of fitness and he'd probably look fantastic after that.
 
jdthebrit

jdthebrit

Grenville Morris
Thank goodness for that. A failed biscuit experiment, much prefer Yatesy for his preparedness to go into the tackle.
 
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