Notcher
Ian Bowyer
So the sensible option was to not have an obligation to buy because you end up in this carousel clusterf*ck. If a club wants an obligation to buy then move on.
Like I said, it was a mistake and I just hope they've learned from it.
Douglas Luiz Soares de Paulo
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Like I said, it was a mistake and I just hope they've learned from it.
Matt
Stuart Pearce
I’d argue that we’ve done very well by brokering the OTB out to Villa. Mariankis and his team ****in love doing deals, and this just feels like another deal we’ve done that’s ended in our favour.
Notcher
Ian Bowyer
I'd say it's more fortunate than anything Matt. I'm not quite sure how it's ended up in our favour though. At best it's ended neutral I'd say
Templeton
Viv Anderson
We've done well to cut our losses and get rid, but we put ourselves in this position in the first place. Doubts over the fitness of a player that we can't play and get fit to really see what he can offer as then we a lumped with having to pay £30m+ for him, and by the time we've activated the clause and realised he isn't going to get back to the player he was it's all too late.
PlayedOnGrass
Geoff Thomas
I think we have to
If we are going 3 in the middle - Sangare/Ando/Dom - we only have Yates as back-up and that is clearly not enough
PlayedOnGrass
Geoff Thomas
But it wasn't an obligation to buy - we haven't bought him!
He hasn't been good enough so we have sent him back - How is that a mistake?
Trents
Stuart Pearce
Once it was obvious we didn't want to pay for him, he showed us the same sort of commitment in return. Complete waste of everyone's time.
I fully expect to see him roll back the years wherever he ends up next.
I fully expect to see him roll back the years wherever he ends up next.
Notcher
Ian Bowyer
It was an obligation to buy not an option to buy. 15 games/halves triggered the obligation. I thought this was common knowledge?
The mistake was making it an obligation
Baronvon
John Robertson
He'll inevitably score when we play them at the City Ground.
JonnoSnr
Grenville Morris
Luiz to score in the last 16 of the Europa League to knock us out now. It's written just to compound the shitshow of a season.
PlayedOnGrass
Geoff Thomas
The 15 game trigger is common knowledge
It was a conditional obligation to buy.
He didn't meet the conditions - so we sent him back.
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
I'd agree that the Zinchenko deal now clearly looks like it was a rushed, last-minute decision.
Alpha Fail
Jack Burkitt
I suppose the great unanswered now is would his performances have differed if he was signed for us outright?
That should keep the thread going for a couple more pages.
That should keep the thread going for a couple more pages.
PlayedOnGrass
Geoff Thomas
I am not sure of the rules - when can you draw a team from your country - Is it last 16 or last 8? Or did I just dream that one?
Est.1865
Destination Europe
I think we’re fortunate both Villa and Chelsea needed/wanted a CM
Alpha Fail
Jack Burkitt
They were high as all f***, let's be honest.
Templeton
Viv Anderson
The point is that Forest were never in a position give him plenty of game time to see if he was still a top player because of the obligation clause. Without that clause Forest may well have been able to get him fully fit and then decide whether to buy or not.
Est.1865
Destination Europe
I think we’ll bring one in, but that player won’t get into the EL squad due to the numbers game.
Notcher
Ian Bowyer
But that's my point. We had a deal which backed the club and player into this doom loop.
Player struggling for fitness
can't give player a run of games to get fit Player can't get fit can't give player a run of games to get fit etc, etc. It goes back to my point of that it benefitted nobody.
JonnoSnr
Grenville Morris
I think we can meet as soon as the knock out rounds start.
PlayedOnGrass
Geoff Thomas
No - the point is if he was good enough he would have played the last 6-8 weeks whilst he had been fit, he would now be a regular in the team and we would have bought him at the end of the season
Every time he played - against the might of Wrexham, Fulham. Sturm Graz and Braga - he didn't play well enough
It's a shame, I was so excited when we signed him, felt like it was a clear signing of the club going in the right direction and evolving its style, then he never appeared under Nuno, got injured quite quickly under Ange and then again under Dyche. He's never kicked on or looked even half fit since then.
Trents
Stuart Pearce
Cup tied it would seem, what a shame.
Monkman
John Robertson
But it's doubtful that Juventus would have agreed on those terms.
Monkman
John Robertson
Players can get fit in training - he lacked general aerobic fitness, not so much match sharpness.But that's my point. We had a deal which backed the club and player into this doom loop.
Player struggling for fitness
It goes back to my point of that it benefitted nobody.