im not my type
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With Centre Back the main postion off interest for Fans and Manager alike, does this mean the current players stating it's their desired postion in the team will not have a future at the club??
Does this mean Perch, Morgan, Wilson, Lynch and Chambers are not good enough???
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yam
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They're probably OK playing alongside a decent centre half.
Put two of them together (based on much of last season) and often it doesn't work out too well
Put two of them together (based on much of last season) and often it doesn't work out too well
king_congo_red
Ale Ape
Morgan is.
The rest are unproven over a long period in that position. We need someone who is proven, then the other can compete/cover for injuries/suspensions.
In other words everyone should be proving they're good enough, rather than being in the team by default.
The rest are unproven over a long period in that position. We need someone who is proven, then the other can compete/cover for injuries/suspensions.
In other words everyone should be proving they're good enough, rather than being in the team by default.
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Bridgfordred79
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Lynch is more a LB, but all are unproven apart from Wesley.
DanR
Steve Chettle
Taking into account how many goals we leaked last season, despite various changes in keeper, would indicate the defence wasn't up to standard. Sorting out the full backs will make a difference, but getting a decent centre half will help immensely.
im not my type
A. Trialist
Broganator said:
No hes used as a Left back but is infact a left-sided centre back...
Zeus
First Team Squad
I only think Wes is good enough!
I really dont rate Lynch im afraid to say, He makes some good tackles at times but his passing is terrible at times.
I dont Think Chambers is good enough either, not for lack of trying or love for the shirt, He doesn't seem strong enough to me. Although I do like him!
Hope we can get someone in thats experienced and can improve the other lads games so we can keep hold of them as we climb the league! ???
I really dont rate Lynch im afraid to say, He makes some good tackles at times but his passing is terrible at times.
I dont Think Chambers is good enough either, not for lack of trying or love for the shirt, He doesn't seem strong enough to me. Although I do like him!
Hope we can get someone in thats experienced and can improve the other lads games so we can keep hold of them as we climb the league! ???
king_congo_red
Ale Ape
Neil Webb said:
Not at this level, seeing as Preston dropped him in favour of Sean St. ledger and we dropped him in favour of just about anyone else....
I think Morgan and Chambers could be a very decent centre back pairing for us. Wes proved himself a very competant defender last season and When ever i've seen Chambers play at his prefered centre half i've always been impressed with his composure and particularly his distribution. That said I do think we need another strong commanding player to stand up to the big forwards of some of the more direct teams in the division.
Regards Wilson, unfortunately last season for him was carectorised by a series of blunders and lapses of concentration. In fairness to the guy he wasn't the sole offender, although he does seem to be the scapegoat for a lot of fans, possibly because of his foolish sending off against sheff utd still looming over him. However if he can iron out the mistakes from his game and recapture the form he showed in our promotion season when he looked one of the most assured and cultured defenders we've had at the club for some time then he could still have a big future with us.
When it comes to Lynch its hard to say as we have not seen anything of him in the heart of defence, although i do think his attributes are more suited to the central role rather than full back, his physical presence and strength in the air would suggest so. I also get the impression he feels more comfortable playing in the middle as he has a tendency to defend close to the edge of the penalty area often allowing our opponents a lot of space out wide. This makes me uncomfortable with him as left back however I can't see him dislodging Chambers Morgan or Wilson in the middle any time soon. Usefull squad player though.
As for Perch, I can't fault the lads energy commitment or enthusiasm but I can see him being the next John Thompson and earning the dreaded mantle of "utility Player". His versatility is a great asset and he is the perfect squad player as he can step in to many positions and do a steady job. The trouble is he rarely excells and because of this with a fully fit squad I think he will be limited to a bit part role this season. He claims that his prefered position is centre back but he really does not have the physique for it. His all action flying into tackles in midfield that endears him to the fans could lead to us conceeding a lot of penalties and dangerous free kicks on the edge of the area if he played at centre half. The fact that he has had 4 different managers now and not one of them has seen fit to play him there tells us all we need to know I think.
Sorry for the long winded post, kinda got carried away there :wub:
Regards Wilson, unfortunately last season for him was carectorised by a series of blunders and lapses of concentration. In fairness to the guy he wasn't the sole offender, although he does seem to be the scapegoat for a lot of fans, possibly because of his foolish sending off against sheff utd still looming over him. However if he can iron out the mistakes from his game and recapture the form he showed in our promotion season when he looked one of the most assured and cultured defenders we've had at the club for some time then he could still have a big future with us.
When it comes to Lynch its hard to say as we have not seen anything of him in the heart of defence, although i do think his attributes are more suited to the central role rather than full back, his physical presence and strength in the air would suggest so. I also get the impression he feels more comfortable playing in the middle as he has a tendency to defend close to the edge of the penalty area often allowing our opponents a lot of space out wide. This makes me uncomfortable with him as left back however I can't see him dislodging Chambers Morgan or Wilson in the middle any time soon. Usefull squad player though.
As for Perch, I can't fault the lads energy commitment or enthusiasm but I can see him being the next John Thompson and earning the dreaded mantle of "utility Player". His versatility is a great asset and he is the perfect squad player as he can step in to many positions and do a steady job. The trouble is he rarely excells and because of this with a fully fit squad I think he will be limited to a bit part role this season. He claims that his prefered position is centre back but he really does not have the physique for it. His all action flying into tackles in midfield that endears him to the fans could lead to us conceeding a lot of penalties and dangerous free kicks on the edge of the area if he played at centre half. The fact that he has had 4 different managers now and not one of them has seen fit to play him there tells us all we need to know I think.
Sorry for the long winded post, kinda got carried away there :wub:
Good post. Agree on all points, especially the established player bringing the others on. The last time we truly had that was 'You'll never beat Des' and Mikey Dawson. I queston would the latter be half the player without the on (and prob off) pitch tuition and experience imparted upon him by the defensive god former?
To add my t'pence:
Perch - squad utility player / centre back with newby / back u[ to Gunter at RB
Morgan - starter as it stands. Improvements with newby necessary looking to the future ambitions of Prem.
Wilson - feel he as the natural ability, just fails to apply it consistently and attitude questionable. A lion he is not.
Lynch - time to improve through maturity. Potential to make left back his own if it suits.
Chambers - dispite being a fan fave for clearly adoring the club, Championship is at the extremetries of his talents.
These are my opinions and are based on no evidence whatsoever. I'm a 10 - 15 match, twice daily checks of all media for Forest related snippets fan. I hope all the players prove me wrong where negativity is remarked.
To add my t'pence:
Perch - squad utility player / centre back with newby / back u[ to Gunter at RB
Morgan - starter as it stands. Improvements with newby necessary looking to the future ambitions of Prem.
Wilson - feel he as the natural ability, just fails to apply it consistently and attitude questionable. A lion he is not.
Lynch - time to improve through maturity. Potential to make left back his own if it suits.
Chambers - dispite being a fan fave for clearly adoring the club, Championship is at the extremetries of his talents.
These are my opinions and are based on no evidence whatsoever. I'm a 10 - 15 match, twice daily checks of all media for Forest related snippets fan. I hope all the players prove me wrong where negativity is remarked.
adam09
Bob McKinlay
mr happy said:
Funny how people see things so differently. I struggle to remember Wilson making that many 'blunders' at all, let alone a "series" of them, yet I remember him frequently bailing us out and defending brilliantly when others made mistakes, which is strangely overlooked when people give their opinion of him. Saving tackles on people through on goal, clearing balls off the line... maybe because of his pace he makes things look a bit easy and less spectacular but without him, a lot of those instances, if he didn't have that pace and ability to read the play, could have ended up in far worse circumstances.
And, as I often point out, Wilson didn't play in those 5-0 losses at Wolves or Burnley, which speaks pretty loudly to me...
We need some pace at the back, this was evident every time Wilson didn't play last season.
Couldn't agree more, in our play off season Walker was constantly talking to Daws and directing him. Undoubtebly playing with Des was a massive part of his footballing education. I think its very unlikely as there will probably be prem teams in for him but I'd love to see Sol Campbell doing a similar job if he's available on a free, can't see it happening i'm affraid and am struggling to think of any other good experienced centre backs that would be available.
adamski said:
I sort of agree with you, and do agree that Wilson is sometimes unfairly made a scapegoat and a lot of his good work goes un noticed by many. It wasn't my intention to pick on Wilsons errors as like I said, the whole defence were making sloppy mistakes last season. However I do feel he is a bit too casual at times and was caught out for this last season. I was more trying to make the point that if he can sort his concentration and application out Wilson could be a very good player for us.
adam09
Bob McKinlay
mr happy said:
I hear what you say and there were a few occasions where, because he is fast, he thought he'd have more time that he actually did and got caught.
Another thing is when he tried to play his way out of trouble when you just wanted him to welly it out, and I think he started doing that more towards the end of the season. Thing with that is, again, is knowing WHEN to do it and when not to... as Breckin proved a few times by whacking it out when nobody was near him, or hitting it out of play when he could have put it up the pitch instead... like other teams do (watch Chris Morgan for example... it's one of the few footballing talents he has).
Luckily for Kelvin he's very young and you learn those things with age and experience.
kezz
Viv Anderson
Some excellent posts here.. in particular mr happys first ramble, craignffc and adamski..
you all present good reading!
It's true that an error in a game for a defender drastically overshadows an otherwise focussed and solid performance.
I think this was the case with all of those guys at centre back last season. I can think of times for Wilson when he didn't deal with balls in the box properly.. or failed to make a correct decision from time to time.. but even morgan who was by far the favoured player in the role did to.
I do however agree with adamski's positives for Kelvin, and all the comments about des and daws mentoring lessons.
My conclusion, is that Perch and Lynch arn't in the equation as they are fullbag contenders, Morgan probably does enough to hold a regular spot, and chambers & Wilson can only go so long before there inconsistancy is ironed out. It's not the end of the world if we fail to sign a tall, agile, focussed CB, but It'd certainly go along way if we could.
you all present good reading!
It's true that an error in a game for a defender drastically overshadows an otherwise focussed and solid performance.
I think this was the case with all of those guys at centre back last season. I can think of times for Wilson when he didn't deal with balls in the box properly.. or failed to make a correct decision from time to time.. but even morgan who was by far the favoured player in the role did to.
I do however agree with adamski's positives for Kelvin, and all the comments about des and daws mentoring lessons.
My conclusion, is that Perch and Lynch arn't in the equation as they are fullbag contenders, Morgan probably does enough to hold a regular spot, and chambers & Wilson can only go so long before there inconsistancy is ironed out. It's not the end of the world if we fail to sign a tall, agile, focussed CB, but It'd certainly go along way if we could.
Problem was the situation we were in last season a footballing centre half was a luxury we couldn't really afford, thats more a fault of the team than Wilson necesarily. I really think he'l benefit from the protection of the back 4 and the passing outlet Mckenna will offer this season.
Spring Heeled Jack
Spring Heeled Jack
Biggie Bart Williams said:
Morgan is good enough, Perch is good enough, I'm not sure about Lynch and Wilson and Chambers are abject w**k.
Spring Heeled Jack
Spring Heeled Jack
marshal99 said:
I think it all depends where you play him. The problem with Perch is that he hasn't bulked up at all. He's been the same Pepperami style figure now for several years. He's muscled off the ball too often.
There are times though where he can be hugely effective.
Annesley Red
First Team Squad
I dont think we will do better than half way without a good commanding centre half and that is what we are missing (cant understand having 6 strikers on the wage bill)