I disagree. I dont think he is good enough. Obviously I'd rather be wrong
Dilane Bakwa
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Ripple
First Team Squad
I'd be interested. Where do you sit on others who would hopefully do well after a settling in season or two (as is what is normal): Jesus, Ndoye, Hutchinson, McAtee, Savona, Cunha etc.
Berkshire Red
John Robertson
Others write everyone off who starts badly. Having seen the majority of big Premier League signings last summer struggling across the board, I'd say that patience was important.
I'm Red Till Dead
Stuart Pearce
Someone, Edu or otherwise, must have seen potential in the players that were brought in. Some of the younger ones we would have been looking to develop before being first team regulars. All the changes in management will have done little to help their development I'm sure.
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Viv Anderson
What's this word 'patience' you speak of, never heard that before round here?
It's what you find at the hospital.
Quntib Hollox
Jack Burkitt
The coaching staff who see our squad in training will know a lot more about if players like Bakwa who don’t get regular game time have much to offer. Will be an interesting summer again regardless of where we finish in the league.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
weejockmcplop
John Robertson
I think Elanga is a much better player to look at for comparison.
He didn't change his play very much but he was ten times better for us when the team was functioning properly as a unit.
We've got a bunch of players now who we've never seen play in a good settled functioning team.
Monkman
John Robertson
It's absurd to me that anyone thinks we can make a proper judgement on Bakwa. Even putting aside the utter chaos he's had to deal with when moving to a new country, how many minutes total has he played for us? How many consecutive matches has he started, or even featured in? We don't have anything like enough of a sample size to judge.
Elanga is a good comparison. Bakwa is clearly a good footballer whose confidence is rock bottom at the moment (for obvious reasons).
Elanga is a good comparison. Bakwa is clearly a good footballer whose confidence is rock bottom at the moment (for obvious reasons).
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Berkshire Red
John Robertson
I heard Battlemuch say that after the Villa game he knew Bakwa was rubbish and shouldn’t play for us again. That he hasn’t started a League match since was used as confirmation.
The Villa performance was a joke, from the management right through to the players, especially the goalkeeper! How anyone could be judged on that, suggests a mind already made up. This may well be the case for many.
The Villa performance was a joke, from the management right through to the players, especially the goalkeeper! How anyone could be judged on that, suggests a mind already made up. This may well be the case for many.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
It is not unusual
Sangare started performing when he was given a proper run of games, this will be the case for most players
Every club in the PL has a Sangare that just never got going until he was properly backed, it is not unusual at all. In fact it is very common.
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Est.1865
Destination Europe
Beat me to it with my loved by anyone line that was lined up.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
uptight9
Viv Anderson
It's been a very unfortunate season for the integration of new players, IMO no one should be judged on it.
Notcher
Ian Bowyer
Battlemuch was talking out of his arse on this. To try and judge any young winger that's barely played in a game where we were asked to camp 11 men behind the ball including the wingers is mental. That game is exactly the type of match that most wingers would use as an example of being a nightmare scenario for them.
I'm not sure what anyone expects of a winger when the furthtest he picks the ball up is 20 yards from our own goal.
Templeton
Viv Anderson
Agree, difficult enough for a lot of these players adapting to a new country and the Premier League, never mind doing it when the manager when they signed clears off after 3 games, the next manager is Mr gung-ho and lasts just over a month, and then the third manager is only interested in how far you can run every single day!
DizzyBala
Jack Burkitt
I don't know why people compare the situations, if I'm honest mate.
Sangare was like 25 when he joined us, was a mainstay for Ivory Coast internationally, had been at PSV for three years and already had played in a bunch of European competitions for them. He was one of their best players too.
Dilane joined us at 22, played a couple games for France U21s and has only really had 3 seasons of men's football, one of which was in the second division.
Sangare was bought to immediately improve us but didn't really acclimate for two years before coming good. Bakwa was bought because of the potential he may or may not have. Similiar fees but very different expectations.
Its rare I'd write someone off after so few appearances to be honest, and I'm not any kind of qualified scout, but I feel I've seen enough to know he wont be a success here. With the others you mention the jury is still out.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
Your post actually suggests we need to be more patient with Bakwa than Sangare though, although I guess Ibra might have settled better if he hadn't had so many injury issues and malaria.
Both him and Kali (and Ndoye) have plenty to offer if we give them the time to make mistakes and settle. They're all relatively young.
We write new signings off too quickly but then we put them in the team before they are ready to make an impact too
Indored
First Team Squad
The players that the club feel need to stay will be given a pre season which I think may help them to regain their confidence, also more time to integrate into the team, thinking language for some of them.
After that we should hopefully start to see a bit more of them showing what they can do.
The PL is fast and physical, not all are ready for that straight away.
After that we should hopefully start to see a bit more of them showing what they can do.
The PL is fast and physical, not all are ready for that straight away.
Malwood
Jack Armstrong
I think Bakwa is really interesting. He's not some kid we've plucked out of obscurity in the Uruguayan 2nd div; he's got a body of work and a track record that says he's a good player.
But on the other hand I don't think I've ever seen a premier league player look so bad that they couldn't even kick the ball properly.
I hope we keep all of our summer signings. I think they will all be worth more at the end of next season than they are now.
But on the other hand I don't think I've ever seen a premier league player look so bad that they couldn't even kick the ball properly.
I hope we keep all of our summer signings. I think they will all be worth more at the end of next season than they are now.
Berkshire Red
John Robertson
Hope we keep him. He'll deliver.