Camp v Smith

[Worsley Red]

Just interested to know what the majority view is.
I've not voted yet, because I don't want to introduce any bias to the survey.

 

[king_congo_red]

Probably the same number.

 

[clusternakker]

He'd have scored himself and saved the 4th - hence 3-3 ,1 point better off, which will probably the difference between championship and league 1 football next season.

 

[winnits]

I've no idea, as I said in another thread whilst Camp can't be considered blameless as he's part of the defensive unit, I'm not sure he was directly at fault for much.

That said, Smith in my opinion is a superior shot stopper and does have better positioning in that regard - so perhaps he could have made a difference.

In terms of the apparent ability Camp has at commanding his area and/or bossing the defenders around - there was very little evidence of that last night, so Smith's apparently lack in this area wouldn't make any difference either.

 

[Rich]

It seems that the things Camp was praised for as opposed to Smith are absent in his game too.

Some of us may have pointed out Camp's flaws in the past, though.

None so blind as those who don't want to see.

 

[Lee]

Lol. Just lol.

 

[Dadford]

you can't polish a turd.

 

[Tutts]

Without wishing to slate a new poster, this is a pointless discussion.

There are so many more variables that could of happened depending on who was in goal.

Think of it this way - the very first goal kick taken by a goalkeeper - if taken marginally different will affect the course of how the whole match is played out. It might be longer short more left more right......etc.

So we'll never know - all we can safely say is:

If richjcrouch was in goal, we would have probably conceeded more.

 

[matt1988]

Both have conceded 4 or more goals at home on two occasions, a record I'm sure neither is proud of.

 

[Gary]

If the only productive thread you'll be bringing on this forum is a discussion about Camp vs Smith BASED ON last night's performance, I'd think twice.

Just a word of warning from nearly a years worth of similar repetitive, pointless, fickle and downright annoying discussions.

 

[Lee]

If the only productive thread you'll be bringing on this forum is a discussion about Camp vs Smith BASED ON last night's performance, I'd think twice.

Just a word of warning from nearly a years worth of similar repetitive, pointless, fickle and downright annoying discussions.

This thread is so original, i have no idea what you are on about.

tbh i don't know why we play Camp, Smith obviously is vastly better at everything, even Chuck Norris bowed to him once.

We would never concede with Smith in goal, ever.

 

[Worsley Red]

Without wishing to slate a new poster, this is a pointless discussion.
There are so many more variables that could of happened depending on who was in goal.
Think of it this way - the very first goal kick taken by a goalkeeper - if taken marginally different will affect the course of how the whole match is played out. It might be longer short more left more right......etc.
So we'll never know - all we can safely say is:
If richjcrouch was in goal, we would have probably conceeded more.

Pointless in the sense that I don't think Billy will be particularly interested in the results, and they're unlikely to impact his future team selections. I was interested, though, to see if there was any feeling of Camp's honeymoon period having come to a rather abrupt end?
I think we're agreed that the bigger problems lie just in front of Camp, and there are 4 of them...

 

[Senior Flange Technician]

less, smith would have got to two of those

 

[Tutts]

Pointless in the sense that I don't think Billy will be particularly interested in the results, and they're unlikely to impact his future team selections. I was interested, though, to see if there was any feeling of Camp's honeymoon period having come to a rather abrupt end?
I think we're agreed that the bigger problems lie just in front of Camp, and there are 4 of them...

That's the nail on head point.

At the end of day, Smith could have saved them all but he could have let in all 4. He could of fallen on his arse three times and let in another three.



Whether you prefer Camp or Smith is a completely different discussion - and sadly one that has been done on the boards, in the pubs and at the ground to Death.

 

[Rich]

It's interesting that people are now looking at the people in front of Camp.

For the last year people have laid blame at Smith's feet, and ignored th poor defence.

Now it is Camp's turn, attention has turned to the defenders. smith played practically a full season with a make shift full back, lets not forget that.

 

[JtheNorwegianRed]

I hope Smith starts on Saturday.
It shows that we have competition in goal as well, and Smith is more than good enough at this level.
Remember the save against Southampton at the last game of the season. It was a fantastic save, bottom right corner...
I also remember laughing out loud, seeing the highlights from the Burnley game (where we conceded 5), since he was so terrible that I saw some humour in it...!

I think Camp is the better goalkeeper, but I don't want Smith to leave, and I don't want Mr. Camp to get all cocky about the whole thing!
Keep them both on their toes.

 

[Tutts]

It's interesting that people are now looking at the people in front of Camp.

For the last year people have laid blame at Smith's feet, and ignored th poor defence.

Now it is Camp's turn, attention has turned to the defenders. smith played practically a full season with a make shift full back, lets not forget that.

Are you talking to me?

 

[Eamonn]

I think or should I say I hope that Smith is between the sticks for the QPR game.

 

[Rich]

Are you talking to me?

No. Lee.

 

[Erik]

Oh great.

Another Smith/Camp debate.

Just what this Forum needs.

:suicide:

As has been said. It isn't the goalkeeper - By and large it's the defence in front of him.

 

[Lee]

No. Lee.

But to be fair, the defence is worse than last seasons as it stands.

I will not be drawn into this...*resists urge*

 

[Rich]

But to be fair, the defence is worse than last seasons as it stands.

I will not be drawn into this...*resists urge*

Not sure I agree with that.

Gunter brings some class that was missing, and Wes was present.

We played Chambers at right back, out of position, the same as Cohen playing left back.

Lynch in the middle is possibly weaker than Wilson, but I don't think by much.

Either way, playing someone at full back when they don't play there invites too many crosses, which is what we suffered from last season.

Camp was praised for his cross taking whereas Smith was criticised, whereas Smith was praised for shot stopping where Camp was criticised.

By that logic, drawing more crosses than shots should see Camp excel over Smith, but it hasn't.

I still believe they are both good goalkeepers, and that there isn't much in it. Those who hailed Camp as the next Shilton and Smith as a liability are the ones who I take umbridge with.

There's really not anywhere near the distance between the two as reading some of the posts on here would have you believe.

 

[mouldy]

I think Smith would've saved at least one of the goals we conceded. I said we would get to this stage and this is only the beginning soon enough there is going to be a real host of critics for Camp because he commits to crosses he struggles to reach. Then the mix up between him and Cohen last night was caused because he commited then didn't go for the ball once he got there.

Errors like this as consistent as they have been so far are going to cost us goals throughout this season.

 

[Erik]

Can we please all stop critisising the f*****g goalkeeper, whoever it is?

We had enough people show last season they know little about goalkeeping and we don't need another 9 months of it.

Camp is our No.1. Can we try getting behind him rather than trying to ruin his confidence like we did Smith last year?

 

[Bridgfordred79]

I am Smith through and through, an avid Smith supporter, but lets not get on the back of Camp because of one performance.

That happened to Smith and although I feel Smith is a better Keeper, Camp should play in the next game to give him a confidence boost.