Colh
Steve Chettle
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Brice Samba
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RedRobbo
Jack Armstrong
RedRobbo
Jack Armstrong
Yep - it took just 8 seconds
Tom W
Grenville Morris
Some of the saves are ridiculous, crazy we sold a world class keeper for £5m. I wish he was still here
king_congo_red
Ale Ape
Bring him back.
Some of the saves are ridiculous, crazy we sold a world class keeper for £5m. I wish he was still here
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Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
What's crazy is that I remember a spell where there was some debate as to whether or not he was any good. I think he's proved he was!
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
I think people were still thinking of that red card and the questions over his temperament as opposed to his ability.
In the PL with VAR and opponents who are more streetwise it would potentially have been seen as a weakness and the opposition could have exploited it.
Given he is playing at the top level in Ligue 1 and for the French national side now I don't think that this is an issue at all, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Keylor aside, he is better than all of the other PL keepers we have had, but it was all academic as he didn't want to stay anyway by all accounts.
Tom W
Grenville Morris
DT said in his q&a that it was Dane Murphy's fault, he essentially refused him his pay rise after promotion and that is what led to him leaving.
If we gave him the money he deserved then there is a good chance he is still here.
Howler from Dane and maybe people will realise he was not as good at his job as some make him out to be.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
DT has a vested interest though and journalists in general do have a habit of putting their own agenda on things. If the idea was to discredit DM after he'd left with stories such as this then maybe the media might not tell the exact facts.
From what I understood and what has been said on here etc it wasn't just down to the money but also that they weren't respecting Brice's status in the squad - I seem to recall he was brought in by Lamouchi when we had already loaned Aro Muric for the season and still had Luke Steele and Pantilimon as well as Smith at the club and Samba only got his chance when it was clear Muric was a walking mistake. So it's possible that this status (after which he was basically undisputed first choice) hadn't been reflected in the pay structure or how he was seen as a senior player within the squad etc etc and his form was a contributor to our good defensive record whilst he was with the club (scoring was our main issue with Hughton).
Also, I think there was talk he wanted to move his family back to France (which is where he played before even though he was born in congo) which would be understandable (and done before with players) if he has young kids and wants them to go to a French school.
I think the ship had sailed even if that was true.
It might also have been the case considering the PSR issues with the promotion bonuses that the rise might have meant we would have struggled even more with PSR and Dane could have seen that.
I do agree that in certain quarters Dane is seen with rose tinted specs. He did a decent job when he was in the same role at Barnsley, who never really managed to consolidate in the division, but made the play offs, and got relegated as soon as he had left them. And the one season he was here we went up. But there does seem to be the mindset that any good signing in that period was Dane's and any bad one was someone else's (Vrentzos, MM, etc) and though we did get a lot of good buys in that period (including ones who didn't show this at the time) we did get a few duds even in the promotion season (Ely, Silva, Drager) and afterwards they were slightly inflexible on needing PL experience favouring cheaper options from places like the Bundesliga, and that was probably a factor on panic buying players like Shelvey (who was a disaster, but ticked the experience boxes) later on.
Collymore!
Jack Armstrong
Brice is obviously an elite class keeper now, and would love him to be here… but there’s also the chance that him not being valued here spurred him on to be better and elevate himself to the level he is now.
There were times in the Champ where he was erratic, and maybe that led to the club not offering him a new contract.
Yes, a howler from us in retrospect, but you never know how it would have turned out if we offered him a bumper contract and he didn’t step up. Fans would certain have been fuming, and there weren’t many complaints when we brought Henderson in.
There were times in the Champ where he was erratic, and maybe that led to the club not offering him a new contract.
Yes, a howler from us in retrospect, but you never know how it would have turned out if we offered him a bumper contract and he didn’t step up. Fans would certain have been fuming, and there weren’t many complaints when we brought Henderson in.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
So like everyone else we got in, who hadn't played in the PL before, and everyone else who was at the club already in the same situation, we didn't know how good Brice would be at the top level. Ligue 1 is also weaker than the PL, so we still don't have the full idea.
Henderson was a Man Utd player, but he had spent 1 season on loan with Sheff Utd where he had been their starting keeper in the PL, they stayed up and then went down the year after with Ramsdale. Whether or not he was the difference, since Ramsdale ended up at Arsenal, is a different question. But he had a season in the PL, and because of the less uncertain time was perhaps seen to be an upgrade on the unknown with Samba, and yes there were question marks mainly over temperament.
It's clear enough that even before injury that Samba was probably superior to Henderson, with his distribution (a major weakness for Henderson), and command of the area especially, but also Henderson was frequently beaten especially from long range and though we didn't keep many clean sheets the overall goals conceded improved a lot with Navas in goal.
I think Brice would have been on a par (for us) with Navas, though the comparison with peak Navas would be different. And any other PL keeper we have had since promotion is inferior to them both.
As you say, if we'd broken the wage structure and his transition was on a par with McKenna or Worrall then people would question the club so there's always the benefit of hindsight. But if we'd kept him and given him what he wanted, assuming we could of course, then who knows
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
I still believe it was down to more than just one person (and as much Cooper as Murphy or anyone else - not to single Coops out, I'm trying to say it was a collective decision), and that some off field things impacted the decision making...
My take is that it's much easier/better for all parties to agree to part ways with a nice story about returning to France for family reasons, rather than delve into other less rosy factors.
Great keeper though - loved him and wish he was still with us.
My take is that it's much easier/better for all parties to agree to part ways with a nice story about returning to France for family reasons, rather than delve into other less rosy factors.
Great keeper though - loved him and wish he was still with us.
RianBrice
Viv Anderson
Absolute legend and if it was a choice (completely hypothetical and ridiculous, granted) I’d take him back in a flash, over super Cooper.
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Stuart Pearce
Personally I think that red card he got for whacking Phil Jagielka round the head did a lot of damage with his relationship with Coops who then dropped him
Cooper strikes me as a guy who won't stand for that kind of behaviour and the relationship between the two was irreparably damaged
Cooper strikes me as a guy who won't stand for that kind of behaviour and the relationship between the two was irreparably damaged
Red Echo
First Team Squad
Any excuse to watch this again. What a night this was.
Marco Pascolo
Geoff Thomas
Looks like he might be available for transfer, Id love to have him back
Baronvon
John Robertson
We can dream - but I suspect his value has increased astronomically since we let him go. Seems like he's got a good shot at being France's No.1 for the Euros.
Marco Pascolo
Geoff Thomas
No doubt he will cost alot more now, We can dream but its highly unlikely he comes back but would of been amazing if he did
Red Echo
First Team Squad
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.c...lens-brice-samba-open-to-premier-league-move/
However, whilst Samba is happy with Les Sang et Or, who have bounced back after a difficult start to the Ligue 1 campaign, he has not ruled out a return to England. “Go back one day? Why not? Why not play in the Premier League if the opportunity arose? I won’t close the door,” said the former Olympique de Marseille and SM Caen shot-stopper.
I love Brice but I'm not sure we can afford the 25m that he would now cost, considering how much we'll need to spend on other areas of the team.
However, whilst Samba is happy with Les Sang et Or, who have bounced back after a difficult start to the Ligue 1 campaign, he has not ruled out a return to England. “Go back one day? Why not? Why not play in the Premier League if the opportunity arose? I won’t close the door,” said the former Olympique de Marseille and SM Caen shot-stopper.
I love Brice but I'm not sure we can afford the 25m that he would now cost, considering how much we'll need to spend on other areas of the team.
Baronvon
John Robertson
Wouldn't surprise me if we saw someone in the Premier League make a move for him - especially if he has an impressive Euros.
Would be tough to take seeing him turn out against us.
Would be tough to take seeing him turn out against us.
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
We'd have to nick his water-bottle... just in case.
Elyse Wahi would be an amazing buy. He’s another forward that can play as a winger. He’s quick and skilful.
Unfortunately, I suspect he’ll be out of our range.
king_congo_red
Ale Ape
You just know he'd have a blinder against us as well. Saving literally everything and turning up the Shit-housing to 11, just for good measure.